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Possibly interesting- The existing 4k HDMI card is the MDS HSR-41.2 correct? I found that info in this thread. - Could it be this is the updated card, the HSR-4Q? It seems to be same card with updated HDMI chip, HDR support, 4k @600mhz, and HDCP 2.2 on all inputs. http://www.mds.com/products/hdmivideo/5th-gen-hdmi/

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Also it looks like Datasat uses the same HSR-41.2 4K card as we have in the CB. Sorry I guess this is not news for most of you long timers here. I found it interesting.
http://datasatsupport.com/wp-content...rd-upgrade.pdf
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wow- in reference to above... has everyone been using input #4 as the HDCP 2.2 spec input? I thought it was input #1 !! maybe that is half my issue. See the Datasat install guide for the HSR 41-2 card- it clearly states to use input #4 (farthest away from the output) for HDCP 2.2. This would mean same on CB if true! - I'm going to try it and see if it fixes the handshaking issues. (d'oh!)

REF: http://datasatsupport.com/wp-content...rd-upgrade.pdf

"This document describes the installation of the RS20i HDMI card (modified HSR-41.2). This card supports
a sub-set of HDMI 2.0 spec on the output and all four inputs; and HDCP 2.2 on the output and input #4 only.
This board supports 4K x 2K, 60 Hz, 4.2.0. color space. "
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update- no did not help, same issues with correct HDCP 2.2 input #4 on handshaking with respect to audio or picture drop out. bummer.

important note- the "input #4 " on the CB's HSR 41.2 card is right next to the output (bottom) and input #1 is farthest away (top)- this is completely opposite of the Datasat HSR 41.2 card where input #4 is farthest away from output and input #1 is right next to the output.

don't know if this is helpful at all but figured i would post it.
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I'm all Mac here....new Macbook pro...iMac..etc....I was told NOT to run DIRAC on a MAC running windows.
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Q Anyone have a PC recommendation to run DIRAC on. John has my PC, and I guess my notebook is one of the 'few' that has a problem..which I bought used just to run DIRAC on. So, if I need another PC notebook...I would like to know what others are using. But, I would prefer not to spend over $600 for it. I don't need a huge screen...just the right machine to get DIRAC up and going!

A I had a Toshiba 1st generation i7 laptop, Win 7, upgraded to 8 and then to 10 Home, which ran the Theta Dirac program fine. When the laptop crapped out late last year, I picked up a Dell laptop i7 Windows 10 Pro, w hich works fine with the Theta Dirac program. I have set up filters for front row (video) and back row (music) and when I change rows no problem using laptop to load the appropriate Dirac filter into my CBIVA. Go to Costco like I did!

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wow- in reference to above... has everyone been using input #4 as the HDCP 2.2 spec input? I thought it was input #1 !! maybe that is half my issue. See the Datasat install guide for the HSR 41-2 card- it clearly states to use input #4 (farthest away from the output) for HDCP 2.2. This would mean same on CB if true! - I'm going to try it and see if it fixes the handshaking issues. (d'oh!)

REF: http://datasatsupport.com/wp-content...rd-upgrade.pdf

"This document describes the installation of the RS20i HDMI card (modified HSR-41.2). This card supports
a sub-set of HDMI 2.0 spec on the output and all four inputs; and HDCP 2.2 on the output and input #4 only.
This board supports 4K x 2K, 60 Hz, 4.2.0. color space. "
When John installed the new card in my machine, that's exactly what he told me - USE input 4 for HDCP 2.2, and also that it has the highest bandwidth of any of the inputs.

Also, based on info he shared with me, my guess is that your issue is your HDMI cables, which John said were a BIG hit and miss. Maybe try replacing your cables? He said, interestingly enough, that MonoCables worked GREAT...and that some of the more expensive cables...not so much. I use Monster and/or AudioQuest. ALSO: I have the new card in my machine, not sure which one you're running

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When John installed the new card in my machine, that's exactly what he told me - USE input 4 for HDCP 2.2, and also that it has the highest bandwidth of any of the inputs.

Also, based on info he shared with me, my guess is that your issue is your HDMI cables, which John said were a BIG hit and miss. Maybe try replacing your cables? He said, interestingly enough, that MonoCables worked GREAT...and that some of the more expensive cables...not so much. I use Monster and/or AudioQuest. ALSO: I have the new card in my machine, not sure which one you're running
Interesting- did you get upgraded from the early 1.4 4k card to the newer (non HDR) 2.0/hdcp 2.2 4k card?

or- did you upgrade from the non HDR 2.0/hdcp 2.2 4k card to the latest HDR-supported 4k card?

from looking at the posted spec (HSR 4Q), it has HDCP 2.2 on all four inputs not solely input 4, which was a limitation of the non-HDR card. can you confirm which card you have now?

sorry just walking in middle of this thread but was following along- I have the non-HDR 4k hdcp 2.2 card and have been having a few issues as some of you have reported.

BTW I have Amazon Basics HDMI cables and they work GREAT, they will pass any 4k test you throw at them.

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I'm all Mac here....new Macbook pro...iMac..etc....I was told NOT to run DIRAC on a MAC running windows.
suggestion, you can run anything PC fine on a macbook- just use bootcamp and run windows directly at the hardware level (not virtualized, which will definitely cause issues). the macbook pro is a 100% intel-based machine, same exact PC compatible hardware as a dell, hp etc.

Acer makes a good inexpensive PC laptop as well. Never had a problem with one. On most modern laptops the disk drive is the bottleneck so try and get one with an SSD drive or add one.

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Anytime I've run PC on Mac, I've used Parallels...I've never used Bootcamp...but maybe I should try it. I did get a Acer PC...but sometimes it has trouble with DIRAC
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Anytime I've run PC on Mac, I've used Parallels...I've never used Bootcamp...but maybe I should try it. I did get a Acer PC...but sometimes it has trouble with DIRAC
Yes huge difference - parallels creates a virtual session and the windows OS does not have direct hardware access. summary: big problems with any peripheral device or software that needs direct hardware access and full power- like Dirac.

Bootcamp is a dual boot product that lets windows or mac run at full hardware level, as if it were natively installed (technically, it is natively installed in its own separate partition on the hard drive). bootcamp installs keyboard / mouse drivers etc- it is fantastic. best piece of pc hardware you'll ever use.

With Acer and other laptops the common bottleneck is the pokey hard drive- throw in a good SSD for the OS and adjust windows swap file to use 2.5 times the physically installed memory. nice thing about MBP's they come with a decent SSD.

have at least 4gb of physical ram installed, 8 is better. A core i5 quad core processor or better is preferred.
adjust windows performance settings for "best performance" and disable all of the windows 10 visual garbage. all that stuff eats memory and processor.
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When John installed the new card in my machine, that's exactly what he told me - USE input 4 for HDCP 2.2, and also that it has the highest bandwidth of any of the inputs.

Also, based on info he shared with me, my guess is that your issue is your HDMI cables, which John said were a BIG hit and miss. Maybe try replacing your cables? He said, interestingly enough, that MonoCables worked GREAT...and that some of the more expensive cables...not so much. I use Monster and/or AudioQuest. ALSO: I have the new card in my machine, not sure which one you're running
thanks- didn't john install the new hdr-compatible 4k card (should have hdcp 2.2 on all four inputs) ? or did I misunderstand. i think my cables are ok the Amazon cables have top reviews and handle 18g no problem.
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use bootcamp that is what I use- win10 on MBP. it rocks. important settings -set windows font size to "custom", use 190% (control panel > display), then set display resolution to 2880 x 1800. otherwise Windows will look tiny on the retina display and cant read anything.
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HG Mills...do you've used bootcamp on a Mac to set up DIRAC on the CB? I just want to make sure before I go out and have to buy win10 somewhere...I know I can find videos on youtube about installing and running bootcamp. But before I go blow another $200 on software, I wanted to know your success with this
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HG Mills...do you've used bootcamp on a Mac to set up DIRAC on the CB? I just want to make sure before I go out and have to buy win10 somewhere...I know I can find videos on youtube about installing and running bootcamp. But before I go blow another $200 on software, I wanted to know your success with this

Suggestion based on my on experience. - I've been using a MBP for Windows since the first Intel-based MBP came out. You can do anything Windows on it with bootcamp that you can do with a dell, hp, acer etc. A MBP is essentially a PC laptop. Same hardware. Intel based chipset. 100% PC hardware. What was tripping you up is parallels and running Windows virtualized. Virtual machines do not have direct kernel level hardware access and can cause problems with programs like Dirac.



No need to spend $200 - Windows 10 is free to install, you have time to activate it or live with some basic limitations. See this thread it also covers loading bootcamp. You'll be good to go. https://www.howtogeek.com/244678/you...se-windows-10/
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When I save win 10 to a usb drive...does that flash drive need to be NTFS or mac formatted to load win onto the Macbook Pro?
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When I save win 10 to a usb drive...does that flash drive need to be NTFS or mac formatted to load win onto the Macbook Pro?

Neither- just basic FAT32 format for the flash drive or external usb hard drive.
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New HDMI card installed today, works GREAT! Provides 4k HDCP 2.2 and HDR10 on all four outputs (yes all four, not just one!).

A huge thank you to Craig and John for the excellent service and fast turn around.

My Sony XBR75X940E 75-Inch looks amazing now. Not a single operational glitch so far. A must-have upgrade IMO.
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New HDMI card installed today, works GREAT! Provides 4k HDCP 2.2 and HDR10 on all four outputs (yes all four, not just one!).

A huge thank you to Craig and John for the excellent service and fast turn around.

My Sony XBR75X940E 75-Inch looks amazing now. Not a single operational glitch so far. A must-have upgrade IMO.
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How do I go about getting this same card? I have a very early, single 4k input and output, and to this day several handshake or drop issues per day. Do I just contact Craig or Theta directly for an upgrade and is this something I can just install myself in the field and apply any firmware update if needed? Thanks!
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How do I go about getting this same card? I have a very early, single 4k input and output, and to this day several handshake or drop issues per day. Do I just contact Craig or Theta directly for an upgrade and is this something I can just install myself in the field and apply any firmware update if needed? Thanks!
Call John Baloff at ATI/Theta tech support. Yea its easy to open up the CBIVA and take out the old HDMI card and insert the new one. If a firmware upgrade is necessary then John will provide it to you on a USB stick along with the new HDMI card.

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How do I go about getting this same card? I have a very early, single 4k input and output, and to this day several handshake or drop issues per day. Do I just contact Craig or Theta directly for an upgrade and is this something I can just install myself in the field and apply any firmware update if needed? Thanks!
Call your Theta dealer or Craig (VGI) at Theatermax. http://www.theatermax.com/about-us/
You may need to buy the new card through a dealer. Craig knows what to do and is familiar with the new card. He made the process very easy for me.

Removing the card is "simple" for the technically inclined, all that is needed is a small head #1 Phillips and a medium head #2 Phillips screwdriver. If you can install or remove a PCI video card from a typical tower computer then it is about as easy.

My CB did not require any firmware updates.

New card rocks! not one single drop-out yet and loving the HDR10 support for four devices
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Awesome, thanks for the info. Got the unit from craig early last year, will pick up the phone today. Now just gotta find 24 KT88 gold lion tubes, coming up on 3000 hours on the VTL Siegfrieds. So maybe 2-3 calls today, from the office no less.....
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I am having the new HDMI card installed this weekend. Can't wait.

Problems with the gen 1 card are indeed unnerving. Drive me up the wall.

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Awesome, thanks for the info. Got the unit from craig early last year, will pick up the phone today. Now just gotta find 24 KT88 gold lion tubes, coming up on 3000 hours on the VTL Siegfrieds. So maybe 2-3 calls today, from the office no less.....
Surely if you are original owner card is free of charge; just call and talk to John at Theta.

LOL re. VTL. I have two myself, but only a 70 watt amp for my Magneplanar, and a 140 watt amp for my Thiel when I am in the mood for tube.

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Problems with the gen 1 card are indeed unnerving. Drive me up the wall.
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I am contemplating buying a CB3 HD with 4k, and 2 premium DACs. But it doesn't have DIRAC like in CB4.
Currently have a Krell Foundation that can be set up using ARES. So, I am hesitant to buy something without room correction software.
Being a new potential user of Theta, I am looking for some input from veteran Theta CB users.

Will I be able to set up CB3 manually that will sound as good or at least close to as good that is set up using DIRAC? Or is it going to be quite a big difference in SQ due to not using DIRAC?
Is there any option to use external Room Correction equipment paired with CB3? Like - can I use MiniDSP DDRC-88A Dirac Live processor by setting it up in between my Source Oppo and Theta CB3 to accomplish what comes as integral part of CB4? This is possibly a $1000 investment.

I will use 5.2 set up with two Rythmik Subs and Revel Speakers.

Will appreciate any help!

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I am contemplating buying a CB3 HD with 4k, and 2 premium DACs. But it doesn't have DIRAC like in CB4.
Currently have a Krell Foundation that can be set up using ARES. So, I am hesitant to buy something without room correction software.
Being a new potential user of Theta, I am looking for some input from veteran Theta CB users.

Will I be able to set up CB3 manually that will sound as good or at least close to as good that is set up using DIRAC? Or is it going to be quite a big difference in SQ due to not using DIRAC? I will use 5.2 set up with two Rythmik Subs and Revel Speakers.

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Hi two parts to my answer, first Theta vs Krell without correction, then the correction itself. I am a hard core Krell guy who has owned multiple Krell amps, preamps, and the HTS processor.

1. Without correction, in my experience with the Krell HTS, Krell is thin, bright, Theta is full, "meaty" in the midrange, tighter and punchier bass, detailed without the harshness of Krell preamps. I think you will wonder why you have not made the switch sooner. The Theta sound, influenced by its digital and analog circuit design, is what makes it unique and un-matched with respect to sound quality. The best I have ever heard, hands down.

2. With correction, totally subjective as to what's best and the question I have for you is: do you use and prefer ARES to non correction in the Krell? If you do, then although CB III is the first step, eventually you would like to upgrade to CB IV to have Dirac. You might want to check with @VGI (Craig, Theta dealer Extraordinaire) regarding pricing before pulling the trigger on that CB III HD. Which cards it has influence the price, etc. (FWIW, I don't think Dirac is critical to good sound in my room, but that's just me and my system. Nearly every other CB IV owners, if not all, prefers Dirac.)

Having said all that, eventually you still want CB IV, not necessarily just for Dirac, but for Atmos/DTS:X and the need to pass 4K HDR video. CB III HD is essentially obsolete because it doesn't have those 3D decoders.
Bottom line: do it! But be prepared for upgrading to CB IVa not just because of Dirac, but equally if not more importantly, Atmos and DTS:X. The price Theta charges for the upgrade, is almost criminally low (speaking with ultra high-end's distorted view of pricing LOL).
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Hi two parts to my answer, first Theta vs Krell without correction, then the correction itself. I am a hard core Krell guy who has owned multiple Krell amps, preamps, and the HTS processor.

1. Without correction, in my experience with the Krell HTS, Krell is thin, bright, Theta is full, "meaty" in the midrange, tighter and punchier bass, detailed without the harshness of Krell preamps. I think you will wonder why you have not made the switch sooner. The Theta sound, influenced by its digital and analog circuit design, is what makes it unique and un-matched with respect to sound quality. The best I have ever heard, hands down.

2. With correction, totally subjective as to what's best and the question I have for you is: do you use and prefer ARES to non correction in the Krell? If you do, then although CB III is the first step, eventually you would like to upgrade to CB IV to have Dirac. You might want to check with @VGI (Craig, Theta dealer Extraordinaire) regarding pricing before pulling the trigger on that CB III HD. Which cards it has influence the price, etc. (FWIW, I don't think Dirac is critical to good sound in my room, but that's just me and my system. Nearly every other CB IV owners, if not all, prefers Dirac.)

Having said all that, eventually you still want CB IV, not necessarily just for Dirac, but for Atmos/DTS:X and the need to pass 4K HDR video. CB III HD is essentially obsolete because it doesn't have those 3D decoders.
Bottom line: do it! But be prepared for upgrading to CB IVa not just because of Dirac, but equally if not more importantly, Atmos and DTS:X. The price Theta charges for the upgrade, is almost criminally low (speaking with ultra high-end's distorted view of pricing LOL).
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Than you for the mention and the great response.

There is still a lot of people still on 3HD which we all know was a great Casablanca and kept us all pretty happy for a long time. Once we all got CB4 and the new OS and Dirac it seems we realized how much more the CB has in its arsenal. The great news for him is the 3hd to 4A is such a low cost upgrade its daily painless. Thanks to the 4A combined upgrade price the pain in the pocket was less than we all thought.

He can always start with 3HD and jump to 4a without breaking the bank. Now with Premium 3 for such a low cost he could potentially use 2 of those and have all 12 channels

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