Originally Posted by Steve Bruzonsky
Bulldogger, you state "The Casablanca V is the pathway to the missing features you cite. Time frame, I donâ€™️t know. Iâ€™️m SURE itâ€™️s coming." Remember back in the late 90's Theta (back when Neil Sinclair owned the company) advertised that the Casablanca would in the future have room correction (which didn't occur until nearly 20 years later) and also that the Voyager universal laserdisc would be upgradeable for new audio formats (I bought it, SACD came out in a few years, it was not upgradeable). Of course, Theta under ATI and Morris are totally frank in everything and in past years ATI and Morris DO NOT make any such future claims, only near future when it definitely is coming out. ATI and Morris have made NO mention of ROON Ready, period. Plus, ROON requires some additional memory in the unit and well as software, and I can only surmise that they wanted to keep the upgrade cost down so they didn't include ROON as essentially I (at CEDIA 2017) was perhaps the only Theta customer clamoring for it. So How many years to the Casablanca VI and will it be ROON Ready? Will there even be a Casablanca VI given the current Covid-19 and economic conditions worldwide? As though the Casablanca SSP wasn't expensive enough fully loaded with D-3 DACs prior to all of this? And how come Theta hasn't come out with that less expensive SSP modeled after the Casablanca - Trinnov, Lyngdorf and MacIntosh have all done this, but Theta hasn't, and there is nothing in the wind to indicate that such is coming? And now there's a lot of competition out there, does ATI-Theta even want to invest $$ in keeping the Casablanca model going further into the future, given that ATI is so terribly successful manufacturing audio gear, particularly amplifiers, for so many other companies? Lots of questions.
Bulldogger, please show me anything from anyone in the know with ATI-Theta that Dirac bass management is coming to the Casablanca V. If it is I haven't seen anything - I hope it is.
Remember the days of amplifiers specing lower distortion, speakers emphazing how flat they measured, yet these audio products so often sounded terrible? Specs do not tell everything. I have listened and the Trinov is a total winner in every category. And so have several audiophile friends. And yea I luved my Theta Casablancas every itineration from the I to the IVA, before I moved to Trinnov, but during the months I used the Trinnov it was equal or better sonically in every category with only my rudimentary setup and optimization. Bulldogger, when you agreed with what I heard, in my Casablanca days, you railed in my favor - but once I changed to Trinnov, you continue to essentially argue I don't know what I am listening to or hearing. Funny how that goes.
Don't get me wrong. My Casablanca gave me years and years of great sound and service through many upgrades. And I emphasize that after using the Trinnov Altitude 32 for several weeks, it went in for a minor repair (a firewire card replacement so that it would not hiccup on 192 & 176 - 24 audio, as they had a bad batch of firewire cards causing this) and I put my CBIVA SSP back in my system during that time, and again I realized I liked the Trinnov and wanted it back. So I will rely on my own ear/brain and tapping my own feet to what I like!
So Bulldogger, you have 3, or is it 4, Generation VIII Series 2 DACs? Did you get one of the Casablanca SSPs to use with them, or are you still using a custom built PC with a 7.1 coaxial out card for this? How's your home theater you were building above your garage, is all done? Pictures, please, I'm sure its very very nice.
When the Casablanca was being upgraded to HDMI, I told you. You didn't believe it inspite of my giving you progress reports. My source was not someone at Theta. In fact, you were so adamant that HDMI was not going to happen, that the first person to get the CB3HD was Big Brother 52. Again, I told you that there would be a replacement for the Xtreme D1 dac. Was I correct? Theta blew it out of the water. Highest permance dac of any prepro ever made. I think I have a track record. I may have been wrong about something, like the particuliars of the exact dac chips but not about the big picture. Can you rememeber me getting it wrong? I may have and just don't remember? Really, I don't think so! You are correct about the way ATI manges announcements. I have been correct about the continued developement of the best sounding processor on the market.
I understand that you are about 70 with fading hearing, at times supplemented by hearing aids and didn't want to wait for Theta? I agree with your logic. I'm younger and as you have pointed out many times, don't have the money that you have. As I have more time than money, the wait has always, "paid off." The Casablanca has proven to be the only upgradeable processor for all aspects of a prepro. Hardware of which has been the dacs, power supply, mother board, display, everything I believe everything expect the case. New software too with new room correction and an entirely new operating system. I'm interested to see how the new operating system works as may have solved the quirks of older models.
As for room correction, have you ever read the Harmon Study on room correction? If you haven't you should. Those room correction systems from 20 years ago, sometimes made things worse and none did what they claimed. I am a hands on guy so actually auditioned many of those systems back then. For whatever reason, the curve, the hardware, whatever, they were junk. I said it then. The first room correction system that caught my attention was "Room Perfect," being utilized with a Mcintosh processor. I note that the new Lyngdorp MP60, you mention is using the same correction was recently reviewed. The reviewer found it too better than Trinnov. Lyngdorf MP-60 AV Processor Review . Theta, Neil Sinclair at the time was right. Dirac is a different matter though some audiophiles still don't like it used in the midrange. I actually love Dirac. It's just keeps improving.
Lyngdorf MP-60 AV Processor Review
The Lyngdorf MP-60 is the company's new 16-channel AV processor with Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, Auro-3D and RoomPerfect...
I think Trinnov is falling down on the hardware side. Even a $1000 Yamaha RA-1080A has more modern dacs ESS Sabere dacs, than a 40K processor? That's crazy. Trinnov has flat out said they are not upgrading the dacs. But you can still send digital out into your Oppo, which has better dacs than Trinnov and get a higher SNR dac. Maybe better sounding too? Have you tried it? Someone should. My bet is on an Oppo 205 winning. I think as Trinnov was pointing out with the 6v I think, mention of the output of their analog signal, that matters too so it's not just dacs. Again, deep waters are dominated by Theta with 20v output via balanced.
Widescreen Review likely was not aware when they published the review of the CBIVa of the approach of a new model. There were a lot of statements made not so long ago about Theta and whether there would be further advancements. Then, Theta " dropped out of "Spore drive" and the CBV appeared. The Casablanca is just like Star Trek a more advanced model shows up that may look kind of like the old one but is something new with capabilties that far exceed the old ship. https://medium.com/starts-with-a-ban...e-8c49e5d5af36
My wife realized I was putting the "cart before the horse," with the construction of my theater. Considering how much space we have with only three people, she suggested that I pause and think, use the great room, the second room but bigger room in our home, wired for surround sound. She suggested I continue with purchase of more gear. Part of the construction is contracted and done, but part I am doing myself. I like DIY. My wife when we first met asked me how coudld buying stuff be a hobby anymore than shopping? My responce was that part of my hobby is DIY so it it not like shopping. I only like to pay cash for my hobby and chose to buy some more gear. In last 6 months I have purchased 3 more Gen VIIIs and a Krell 300 duo amp. By the time, I finish with the upgrade of the last Gen VIII, I'll have spent about 20k. I'm "tapped out." You are right, I don't have any money.
I don't have all of my stuff. One dac is at Theta being upgraded. You know my dealer, ask him. The 4th, I loaned to a friend so he could try it with this Aesthetix Metis preamp and Atlas Signature monoblocks. I borrow stuff and loan stuff with my audio buddies so I can get to try new stuff. Mike would be glad to discuss audio with you if you want to speak with him and confirm I have four?! I'll never stop using my HTPC with Lynx AES16e and Vega 64 strix for video. I use it with MadVR for 4k blu-ray, Roon, and Jriver. As I've said before, I have the Casablanca from Knipis studios. It only had digital out cards and no dacs. I own the newest digi out card and will do the first 8 channels with Gen VIIIs. It's Saturday morning and my room is dirty. I'm cleaning my center channel. I'll post a few pics of my gear, hmm about 70k, worth and even a pic of my house Steve. You have the address, so maybe you can google it and look room by room? 😄
Steve, I could have upgraded my Casablanca a long time ago. I"ve just chosen to go a different route. My Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk Hemi , slowed me too. By hey, it rages in the mud! I love it! Here’s a pic of it too, lol. For 20 years I only drove used cars so I could spend more money on audio! With all my daughter is doing, soccer, martial arts, the princess complained about my old car so I bought a new one.
So, back to the Casablanca V upgrade. I've chosen my path and juggled all of this gear with Kramer control and an SL-280 "brain." Kramer has a driver for the Gen VIII with feedback and control over most parameters. It works well but it would work better if I had a Casablanca V! My dealer should be upgrading my Casablanca in 6 months or so. It will take that much time for my free cash to regenerate. I’m a poor guy.