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post #151 of 1415 Old 03-24-2014, 06:26 PM
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The Datasat recommended speaker layout for 13.1 includes an optional Top Back Left|Top Back Right speaker pair 'repeating' the content of the Top Surround Left|Top Surround Right speaker pair for improved envelopment.
Where did you see that? I thought their 13.1 speaker layout was 7.1 + 5 heights + VOG. Adding back heights (in addition to surround heights) would make for a 15.1 layout.

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Datasat's guide to speaker layouts for immersive audio formats (PLIIz, Neo:X, Auro 3D). See attached. Auro_Speaker_Placement.pdf 616k .pdf file

Page 6 of the document in your post says:
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Page 6 of the document in your post says:
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"For a very large room, you may add Left Back Height and Right Back Height speakers, which are ganged with the Left Surround Height and Right Surround Height speakers to create an enveloping sound field for the height layer."
Got it. I was confused when you mentioned adding 2 more speakers and still called it 13.1. But it's 13.1 channels played back through 15.1 speakers.

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Got it. I was confused when you mentioned adding 2 more speakers and still called it 13.1. But it's 13.1 channels played back through 15.1 speakers.

Perhaps confusingly, Home Theater speakers tend to be named for position, rather than for content--whereas the reverse seems more true in Commercial Theaters.
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One thing there is NO way I can do because of room constrains is a high center channel, i wish i could since this represents a "hole on coverage".

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One thing there is NO way I can do because of room constrains is a high center channel, i wish i could since this represents a "hole on coverage".

Tragically, the fictional family we were supposed to believe lived in this NHK-JEITA UHDTV exhibit at CEATEC Japan 2012 was forced to endure a similar problem--there being NO ceiling on which to locate the 'nominal' Hamasaki 22.2 center overhead speaker! However, it seems likely the system's decoder and post processor technology included the capacity to downmix|remap audio content to accommodate that "deficiency" . . . and that a similar capability will exist in other future 3Daudio playback platforms...?!


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The StormAudio website now pictures the SSP 12-3D processor (link) . . . but there is still only limited info regarding possible configurations.

Hopefully the specifications item HDMI V1.4a for HD audio sources (upgradable to newer versions) means that in the future the SSP 12-3D could accept (say) 11.1 MCh LPCM input over HDMI 2.0 from some still hypothetical DTS-UHD|HomeTheater-Atmos renderer.
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The Storm Audio products do appear to be very well specified - they indicate that 'AuroMatic' upmixing is standard and an Automatic EQ function is expected. Looking forward to the reports from eventual users.
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Major brands to ship 100,000 AVRs with Auro-3D in 2014?

An Inside CI article, April 19, 2014, "Auro-3D: Why height is the missing dimension in sound" (link), quotes Wilfred Van Baelen as saying says he has signed deals with three major AVR brands that will deliver up to 100,000 AV receivers into the marketplace later this year.
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That's great news!

To flesh it out a touch, "there's apparently more hardware to come from Steinway Lyndorf, French AV manufacturer DMS and CAT (California Audio Technologies). Van Baelen (pictured above) says he's also signed deals with three major AVR brands that will deliver up to 100,000 AV receivers into the marketplace later this year".

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DMS are responsible for the Storm Audio processors and Auros own AVR.
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Any ideas who the 3 major av brands are?
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No details given. I would hazard denon / marantz and Onkyo.....
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From Auro's CES press release:

"Some of Auro Technologies’ official partners include: Audiokinetic, California Audio Technology (CAT), Continental, Datasat Digital Entertainment, Denon & Marantz, McIntosh Laboratory, Steinway Lyngdorf (SL Audio) and StormAudio."

So a couple of the receiver brands were listed a few months ago. We'll have to see if Onkyo/Integra, Yamaha, Pioneer, etc. jump on board.

And then there's the content.

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From Auro's CES press release:

"Some of Auro Technologies’ official partners include: Audiokinetic, California Audio Technology (CAT), Continental, Datasat Digital Entertainment, Denon & Marantz, McIntosh Laboratory, Steinway Lyngdorf (SL Audio) and StormAudio."

So a couple of the receiver brands were listed a few months ago. We'll have to see if Onkyo/Integra, Yamaha, Pioneer, etc. jump on board.

I can see Pioneer and Onkyo on board...but Yamaha always seem to push their own 'Presence' processing.

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And then there's the content.

I forget, does Auro have a postprocessing mode for legacy material?

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I forget, does Auro have a postprocessing mode for legacy material?

The auro upmixer can upmix anything from a mono source all the way to a 7.1 source. This is what I'm most interested in and the reason why I have already paid for my RS20i auro update.
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I forget, does Auro have a postprocessing mode for legacy material?

If you can spare 20-30 mins I highly recommend you watch this. Explains all about the upmixing.

http://youtu.be/6RjP-TDMxjA
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The auro upmixer can upmix anything from a mono source all the way to a 7.1 source. This is what I'm most interested in and the reason why I have already paid for my RS20i auro update.

Hi Nick - are you able to confirm the price of the update?
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I forget, does Auro have a postprocessing mode for legacy material?
Has had it from the very begining. My first experience with Auro was seeing 'Red Tails' in the theatre. Before the Auro logo and movie came on, I noticed that the regular movie trailers sounded like a bubble around me. So before even experiencing an Auro soundtrack, I was made aware that it included a blind upmixer for non-Auro material.

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Before the Auro logo and movie came on, I noticed that the regular movie trailers sounded like a bubble around me. So before even experiencing an Auro soundtrack, I was made aware that it included a blind upmixer for non-Auro material.

Sounds like it gets your stamp of approval - great!

Or am I reading too much into it?

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Hi Nick - are you able to confirm the price of the update?

Well in the uk the update is in the region of £2500 for existing RS20i owners and for people who purchase a new RS20i with Auro or £3000 for adding auro at a later date.

However, this may very well vary from country to country. As I understand it, the update is a simple software one and I believe is distributed via a USB key. Which means, whilst the update is field installable it's not to be installed by the end user. So, I am expecting either someone from Datasat to come to mine to install or someone from their distribution partners.

Why not just send out USB keys? Well I suppose several people could band together and share a single update key. What they should do is tie the key to the machines unique MAC address. This would save a bit of money as the field engineer would not be required.

The prices I was / have quoted includes the installation cost.
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Thx Nick - I agree, a 'locked' USB, if possible, would seem sensible but I do understand the risks for Datasat. It will be interesting to see how myself and others (who picked up their units prior to local distributors being established in our countries) will be supported. Datasat was great sending out the H555 direct to me for the last upgrade.
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I can't see why they can't log into the RS20i via remote connection and update that way.

Perhaps you could touch base with your Datasat contact and see what they have to say. However, if there is now a Datasat disti network in your country I'm sure the update will be done by them.
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Sounds like it gets your stamp of approval - great!
Yes, based on what I've heard so far, I'm looking forward to immersive audio (immersive = 3D bubble of sound instead of the current 2D ring of sound). Doesn't matter to me if it comes from Dolby, DTS or Auro.

The only caveat is that it is dependent on the mix, but that's nothing new. I've heard 7.1 mixes that sounded fantastic, while other 7.1 mixes made me wonder whether they even used the surround channels. Same with Atmos and Auro. It all comes down to the mix.

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For sure, but good to know that a good mix doesn't need an Auro encode to sound good.

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I am interested in LS10

Does it also support or compatible with DSD ???
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I can't say for sure, but it's based on the RS20i which currently does not support DSD.
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I can't say for sure, but it's based on the RS20i which currently does not support DSD.

. . . despite us asking several times for it to be added! . . .
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I did not read every post but what I did read suggests only PEQ ( frequency domain room correction) and no Dirac (time and frequency based correction).

Bummer. Strike this product off my wish list rolleyes.gif
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