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They might be voiced differently? I see reports that the ATI N-core amps have a different presentation than the Theta Dreadnaught D. I was hoping the Altitude 8 might have the N1200 modules but be voiced more like the ATI N-core amps. More lively and less mellow...
The Amplitude8 got 8xNC1200 modules.

And it deliver [email protected] Ohm peaks if you use one channel from each power supply (one from channel 1-4, and one from channel 5-8). Hence I have set up left on channel 1, right on channel 5, left surround on channel 2, right surround on channel 6, left surround back on channel 3 and right surround back on channel 7 and channel 4 for center. (channel 8 not currently in use on my setup).

With all channels used; it deliver 8*[email protected] Ohm (total of 2000W for each power-supply).
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Being on AVS doesnt help. Case in point me looking through this trinnov thread......
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My 9.2 setup; just waiting for the bank account to fill up for another Amplitude8 (target within first half 2019). Almost perfect layout; Front wides should have been even more wide, but restriction in room. Plan for next upgrade is 9.2.5 or 9.3.4. Suspect I will upgrade from 16 channels to 24 so I can go even more completely wild

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Trinnov's magical remapping (2D mapping) fixes the position of front wides by pushing some of the channels output to surround left and right. This actually works fine for dolby digital upmix were front wides is not possible; then I use surround1 (something between frontwide and surround).

Audio-object location in room (2D, since I don't have ceiling speakers) is close to perfect - actually the best I have ever heard anywhere else (including other Altitude32 setups).
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Being on AVS doesnt help. Case in point me looking through this trinnov thread......
We are talking about expensive products, but compare to what you actually get of quality and functionality in Trinnov products - they are dirt-cheap! (no, I'm not being ironic).

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Very true ..... At least until something better comes out!! I only say that because when I bought my Datasat RS20i, I thought its lifespan would most certainly exceed the 3 years I owned it!!

In theory, this product has so much flexibility, expansion capability and long life built into it, that I really can not imagine what kind of product would replace it in the next 5 to 10 years. Want different algorithms to process different surround formats? Got it (new firmware). Want a room with 40+ channels? Got it (already announced).

BUT, technology improvement is a continuous process. It really will be interesting to see how long this product survives.

And since I already told my wife that I would not replace my processor, amps or new projector for at least 5 years, I will be a user for at least that long!!
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The potential for longevity was one of the main selling points that finally convinced me to get it. After I got the $7000 SRP Pioneer SC-09TX AVR in early 2008, I thought I had a pretty long-term purchase since obviously, there was nothing on the horizon past PLIIx! And it didn't take that long for that to be wrong. The SC-09 was truly a SOTA AVR. But, true to Pioneer World, 6 months later they introduced an AVR which was half the cost with new features. Then came my multi-year campaign to convince high-up key marketing folks at Pioneer US to offer a hardware/software upgrade program for the SC-09 aka D&M to no avail. Then came PLIIz/NeoX so added another Pioneer AVR to my gear stable. Then came Atmos & 4K...after waiting over 3 yrs to let the dust settle, I bought the $4K Marantz 8802a prepro and was happy with it. But if I hadn't decided on an Altitude, I would have gone with another $4K+ Marantz! Time to get off the merry-go-round

It seems every 2-3 yrs, there's a new audio or video format or some form of technology is surpassed. So the idea of owning long-term a top AVR/conventional prepro is a futile endless cycle of gear swaps.

Trinnov's use of a PC & software seems a much superior way to offer technology & feature upgrades. Plus we get the Optimizer which overall, is arguably the best room EQ available. Mine isn't completely dialed in yet but already I hear a much more seamless soundfield bubble with smoother sound.

And no, I'm not getting a new processor in the next 5 yrs...unless it's an Altitude 32-24
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And since I already told my wife that I would not replace my processor, amps or new projector for at least 5 years, I will be a user for at least that long!!
Good decision since a wife upgrade is way more costly.

I can't imagine any reason for replacing an upgradeable processor like the Trinnov in the foreseeable future, but I'm often wrong about these things, lol.
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Trinnov's use of a PC & software seems a much superior way to offer technology & feature upgrades. Plus we get the Optimizer which overall, is arguably the best room EQ available. Mine isn't completely dialed in yet but already I hear a much more seamless soundfield bubble with smoother sound.

And no, I'm not getting a new processor in the next 5 yrs...unless it's an Altitude 32-24 [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]
Unfortunately the use of a PC motherboard is also the Achilles heal to the unit as most MB are super sensitive to voltage anomalies and suffer a shortened lifespan. Fortunately a MB swap is not so costly for a PC but in the case of Trinnov it has custom firmware which would need to be re-installed and they will likely charge a handsome fee to do so (hopefully not).
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Unfortunately the use of a PC motherboard is also the Achilles heal to the unit as most MB are super sensitive to voltage anomalies and suffer a shortened lifespan. Fortunately a MB swap is not so costly for a PC but in the case of Trinnov it has custom firmware which would need to be re-installed and they will likely charge a handsome fee to do so (hopefully not).
Based on experience with Trinnov and their service level; I'm very sure this will be handled in a good way should it happen.
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Are there any Altitude users in the N.Houston area? I’d love to know and connect.



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Are there any Altitude users in the N.Houston area? I’d love to know and connect.
There are only slightly over 800 worldwide (maybe 1000 if you include Altitude16)

And most owners are skeptical about inviting unknowns in - burglary can very fast be the next step.

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There are only slightly over 800 worldwide (maybe 1000 if you include Altitude16)

And most owners are skeptical about inviting unknowns in - burglary can very fast be the next step.
How recent are those numbers? I’m particularly skeptical about only 200 Altitude 16 owners....and last I heard at CEDIA from a Trinnov principal and on the Trinnov Audio FB page, there were about 500 Altitude projects/owners around early 2017...

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How recent are those numbers? I’m particularly skeptical about only 200 Altitude 16 owners....and last I heard at CEDIA from a Trinnov principal and on the Trinnov Audio FB page, there were about 500 Altitude projects/owners around early 2017...
Don’t forget SDP-75 owners.
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There’s an easy way to tell - I think they sequentially number them all, irrespective of model. If someone’s only recently took delivery of one and tells us (roughly not precisely) what their serial number is, that would indicate approximately how many are in circulation.

Mines a little under a year old and is low 700’s on the serial number - 0007xx, so I’d extrapolate that it could still be around 1,000 units by now, almost a year later perhaps?
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There’s an easy way to tell - I think they sequentially number them all, irrespective of model. If someone’s only recently took delivery of one and tells us (roughly not precisely) what their serial number is, that would indicate approximately how many are in circulation.

Mines a little under a year old and is low 700’s on the serial number - 0007xx, so I’d extrapolate that it could still be around 1,000 units by now, almost a year later perhaps?
I took a delivery of a Attitude32. Shipout date from Trinnov is last week of Oct. Serial no is 83x.
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I took a delivery of a Attitude32. Shipout date from Trinnov is last week of Oct. Serial no is 83x.
Thanks - that would suggest around 100 units a year and they’re still a way off 1000 units.

It just goes to show you how small the high end processor market is - that’s why I think it’s good to buy from a company with their roots, and main source of income, in the professional market.

It makes you wonder, if a market leader like Trinnov is only selling 100 units a year, how an earth do the likes of Storm ever hope to have a chance!
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Thanks - that would suggest around 100 units a year and they’re still a way off 1000 units.

It just goes to show you how small the high end processor market is - that’s why I think it’s good to buy from a company with their roots, and main source of income, in the professional market.

It makes you wonder, if a market leader like Trinnov is only selling 100 units a year, how an earth do the likes of Storm ever hope to have a chance!
Based on S/N of shipped units I know of during the last 12 months. My estimate is 120 units/year regarding Altitude32 (the sales are growing every year, 120 is for 2018). And you have all their other product-lines as well (including amplifiers, which got their own S/N series).

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I know they have sold 150+ of Amplitude8 (not including Amplitude8M) since the launch in September 2016.

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Storm will have big problems getting into this market - they are cheaper, but when you come to this level you usually go for the best - hence cost is not the deciding factor (they are all priced at an insane level for most people). For me personally; I'm not in the segment for this kind of products regarding my income, but I decide to not have a new car (I drive an old cheap one instead, and push money into my HT/hifi-hobby instead).

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Thanks - that would suggest around 100 units a year and they’re still a way off 1000 units.

It just goes to show you how small the high end processor market is - that’s why I think it’s good to buy from a company with their roots, and main source of income, in the professional market.

It makes you wonder, if a market leader like Trinnov is only selling 100 units a year, how an earth do the likes of Storm ever hope to have a chance!
A couple of comments/questions. The size of the market (high end home theater, not just SSP's) has a long time been a curiosity of mine. And since I can't even get my arms around just the US numbers, let me focus on that. So, let's say for round numbers that Trinnov has 1,000 US customers. Add another 1000 for Datasat. Add another 1000 for McIntosh; Add another 3000 for the combination of Storm Audio, Audio Control, Bryston, Classe, Lyngdorph, Krell, Meridian, etc. So that is 6000 units (MAYBE) out of 130,000,000 US households. Or .004%. If the number was even 13,000, we now reach .01% ---- or .0001 !!!!! TINY !!

I don't know about any other readers of this forum, but I have known LOTS of folks over the last 25 years who have either enough net worth OR enough income to easily be able to afford a high end home theater. And I can only think of three in the last 25 years who have had any thing that resembles what we are discussing. Flat panels and sound bars (or maybe some in-ceiling speakers) are about as high end as it gets.

Related to this discussion. The dealer I mostly work with is a dealer for Trinnov, Datasat, McIntosh, etc. He has something like 13 huge vehicles for installation and service. Large and profitable company

BUT he is NOT a fan of almost any of these high end processors. Not because he doesn't think they sound terrific, because he does. He doesn't think he can sell enough of them to have a person dedicated to be able to support them. If he sends someone off for training, then only that person is available for installation, and much more importantly to him, service. He doesn't think that model allows him to provide the quality of service that his clients demand. Nor does it allow him to optimize the use of his internal resources.

So what about farming out the installation/calibration and maintenance to me or another third party? He has no interest in paying for outside help and depending on the availability of that help to respond in a timely fashion to support his clients.

So what does he sell to satisfy those high end clients. At the highest end, the McIntosh. Most of his guys can install and support that product. To him the likes of the Datasat, or worse, the Trinnov, are way too complicated — and in his mind (he didn’t say this but I am comfortable that he believes it), few, if any, of his "typical" client would be able to notice the difference between the very best and “good enough” when 15+ speakers are playing. And my guess is that he is not alone in that regard!! Not that there is no difference nor that he personally can't hear it, but it is not worth the hassle.

And FWIW, I think his income over the last 20+ years has shifted from high end 2 channel systems and home theaters to installing 18 flat panels, simplified audio systems and whole house control of everything in the home.

Back to the question of Storm Audio. If their product is at the same complexity of, say, the Datasat, I can't see them surviving long term. But what do I know !!!
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How recent are those numbers? I’m particularly skeptical about only 200 Altitude 16 owners....and last I heard at CEDIA from a Trinnov principal and on the Trinnov Audio FB page, there were about 500 Altitude projects/owners around early 2017...

My AL16, purchased in May timeframe from the dealer Chuck just referred to, is #202 so has to be more since then worldwide.

For several yrs that Stu & I have talked about his getting an Altitude, one of my concerns was the history & long-term prospects of the company for such high priced units. If it weren't for the fact that both Trinnov & Datasat have roots in pro audio, commercial cinema, or both, I wouldn't be as comfortable since the track record of hi-end processor companies for the long-term isn't great. Storm has a steep hill to climb IMO, and them partnering with Bryston is probably their saving grace.

When I started getting serious in the early 2000's, I recall the top processors being a $25-30K modular TAG, the Meredian & Lexicon MC12. TAG is gone, Lexicon is practically gone, and Meredian is focused on different technologies & markets. Then came companies like Halcro, ADA and both are either dead or nearly so. Parasound had to bail and I understand even Classe was struggling so has a new owner. McIntosh, Classe & Anthem are left.

I'm glad Trinnov's core and roots are markets besides just home theater surround processors! I'm also glad they've partnered with JBL since most every audio person has heard of JBL, all helps improve their position.

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My AL16, purchased in May timeframe, is 202 so has to be more since then worldwide.
Interesting. I got my 16 in March with SN 130. So they sold about 70 units in just a few months.
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Interesting. I got my 16 in March with SN 130. So they sold about 70 units in just a few months.
My guess is that they produced a large batch and it is kind of random which one you get from the warehouse. But I'm guessing the Altitude16 is selling between 200-400 units a year. If you are not planning to have more than 16 channels - the Altitude16 is really the best out there in my opinion; both regarding price, quality and featureset. So this is a clear indication the Trinnov really made a smart move with the Altitude16, and it really hurts the competition since the worldwide markedet for high-end (read: really expensive) surround processors is very small. In reality there are no real competition based on featureset and the possibility to add new codecs and other features on the fly via firmware upgrade.

Just my opinion

Long term this can go in two direction.
1. Trinnov pocket money and prices continue to increase
2. Trinnov get higher profit and can start pushing prices down (since they get better deals on parts etc), and in this way take an even bigger part of the market.

Regardless of the future, they should continue to push for new technology and improving the products - else someone will come in and do exactly that.

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And we see a clear indication Trinnov are working to simplify their products to help dealers support their customers better (even make it so simple that the customer themself can run calibration without involving the dealers/installers). The Altitude16 introduced the wizard which guides the user through the process (with help and making sure users goes through all the right steps) - this wizard is also part of the next software version for Altitude32 (I have used it for a few months, and use the wizard all the time).
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Good point. To the extent the Wizard can even further simplify the setup and maintenance function, the greater the penetration in both dealer showrooms and ultimately end-users. For example, the dealer I referred to above!!
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Good point. To the extent the Wizard can even further simplify the setup and maintenance function, the greater the penetration in both dealer showrooms and ultimately end-users. For example, the dealer I referred to above!!
But I still think Trinnov's menu structure is pure chaos This could have been done much more user friendly (improvements will come, I'm 100% sure).
The menu structure is fine when you know the product really well, but it is a very scary place when you enter the system for the first time.

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But I still think Trinnov's menu structure is pure chaos This could have been done much more user friendly (improvements will come, I'm 100% sure).
The menu structure is fine when you know the product really well, but it is a very scary place when you enter the system for the first time.
+1.

Now that I have played with it for a few months, I can more easily navigate it. But it is not well organized. I use to own a Theta Casablanca. If I recall, it wasn't much less daunting than the Trinnov. It is hard to greatly simplify a product when it has that much functionality and multitude of options built into it. But to the extent they can, most certainly their market penetration should increase.

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Regarding going wild; I have been looking into the Paradigm Sub 1 and are considering two of those in addition to my existing B&W DB1's. Anyone tried these out; or the bigger brother Sub 2 ?

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But I still think Trinnov's menu structure is pure chaos This could have been done much more user friendly (improvements will come, I'm 100% sure).
The menu structure is fine when you know the product really well, but it is a very scary place when you enter the system for the first time.
No kidding!

I did start with the wizard but was ultimately helped to learn the steps using the normal GUI, a "scary place" for sure for the untrained. But I'm glad I was shown with the normal menu since now it's not as intimidating. Now that I'm much more comfortable, it's OK but it's definitely NOT plug & play. I know it comes from the pro audio side with an audio engineer in mind but even learning to navigate it let alone use it, takes time, patience, and frequent trips to the manual or kindly phone assistance

Without diluting its power, I agree it could use logical reorganization.


At least in the US, a typical normal CE owner would be lost without a dealer/intregrator/calibrator/mfg rep since don't like reading manuals. I discovered this helping Pioneer owners, many came to AVS for simple answers that were clearly on page xyz in the manual

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At least in the US, not something for the typical owner who refuses to read manuals.
Not reading the manual for a Trinnov product is stupid, because most likely if something is annoying you - it can be configured to the way you like it.

For example, I started to use a bunch of profiles. Now I only have 3 since I learned how the system works.

I have one for 2.0 (front left and front right only) - hardly never used.
One for 2.2 (front left and front right + 2 subs located next to the front left/right speakers). I use it all the time for music.
And one for Surround 9.2 (I use this for absolutely everything else. I learned how to configure the different layouts according to source audio stream. So now everything switches automatically on the surround 9.2 profile; I get atmos with no upmix, auro-3d with no upmix, dolby digital with dolby surround upmix, dts with neural:x upmix, dts:x with no upmix and PCM with surround upmix. The trick here is upmix option native with upmix, and you have a different setting for how the PCM should be handled (only applicable for native with upmix option and a few others). So now; I just start the movie; cable-box, apple tv 4k or vero 4k+ (or Roon) and everything is set up perfectly every time, no need to change configuration - connect to the Altitude32 via VNC. Even my wife is happy with current setup

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I have also configured front wides to be used for surround1 on dolby digital upmix; since front wides are not supported there (best regards Dolby!). Front wide of course is located in the wrong position for surround1 (which should be located between front wide and surround). Thanks to the 2D or 3D remapping the Altitude32 perfectly locates the surround1 (left and right) channels perfectly by using front wides and surround channels. It's magic!

On the 2.2 profile; I have left sub connected to left front, and right sub connected to right front (with bass managment). Crossover at 80Hz.

And of course, if I test out different setting I save this to a new profile; so I can switch between the "current" one and the new one.
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Nice idea! I'm not to that point yet since I'm the only user and know how to switch the formats but I can see the value and power of your use of profiles configuring it how you want to easily use it.

And I'm one of the ones who learns all my gear, Altitude included. My whole AV room & system is DIY. I refer to the pdf manual every week for something, consider this part of the hobby

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Nice idea! I'm not to that point yet since I'm the only user and know how to switch the formats but I can see the value and power of your use of profiles configuring it how you want to easily use it.
I am using 5 "sources".

HDMI1 = Cablesetbox (used with surround 9.2 profile)
HDMI2 = Apple TV 4K (used with surround 9.2 profile)
HDMI3 = UHD blu-ray (used with surround 9.2 profile)
HDMI4 = Vero 4K+ (used with surround 9.2 profile)
Roon = used with the 2.2 profile.

For 2.0 and 2.2 I use no upmix (listening format = native).

Only time I connect via VNC is when I have "playtime" with testing out new settings (always happens when wife is out of town )

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And to make the userfriendlyness perfect. I have connected the Oppo 203's trigger out to Altitude32 trigger in (which again is connected to Amplitude8, where I have connected a trigger "hub" on trigger out - which again triggers everything else (Bryston 4B SST2, 2*B&W DB1). Everything is set up via harmony elite (I am also setting up a system using SimpleControl - but lack of dedicated remote makes this not used by my wife).
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