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Who is the distributor now? Or is Trinnov CT handling distributor duties?


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Storm Audio has such a beast, but its a traditional chip driven codec platform.
https://www.stormaudio.com/en/produc...d20-elite.html
From a company with a checkered business history. And, Trinnov's Optimizer does tricks Dirac simply won't do.
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My beloved A32 8-16 came back from Trinnov after service/upgrade. It is now 16-32, and all issues fixed. Plays 176.4/192kHz in multichannel without any issues.

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Damn, that's cold They took the business away from them and also swiped their VP of sales.
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Can I just confirm something.

Am I right in believing that the altitude 16 comes with the 3d codecs already included ( meaning that it is not an extra purchase on top of the device like it is on the altitude 32)

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Can I just confirm something.

Am I right in believing that the altitude 16 comes with the 3d codecs already included ( meaning that it is not an extra purchase on top of the device like it is on the altitude 32)
Yes.

https://www.trinnov.com/altitude-16/

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The standard version of the Altitude16 natively decodes Dolby Digital Plus®, Dolby TrueHD®, DTS Digital Surround® and DTS-HD Master Audio® It also includes all immersive codecs by default so you can experience a new world of immersive sound with the latest technologies by Dolby Laboratories®, DTS Inc®, and Auro Technologies®.
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Thank you. I saw that on the website. I wanted to make sure that I was reading it correctly which you have kindly confirmed.


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If the Altitude 16 had an i5, was expandable to 20 or 24 channels at 192 kHz... I would feel better about the purchase. Seems like there is a bit of a hole between the Alt-16 and 32 with too large a disparity in price.

Storm Audio has such a beast, but its a traditional chip driven codec platform.
https://www.stormaudio.com/en/produc...d20-elite.html

Actually, Storm Audio doesn't have such a beast. It's 16 channels of Atmos immersive processing only. Everything else above that is not discrete audio (matrix derived upmixing or bass management derived sub outs). It's DSP chipset based and most modern chipsets are at max 9.1.6 currently.

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Am I right in believing that the altitude 16 comes with the 3d codecs already included ( meaning that it is not an extra purchase on top of the device like it is on the altitude 32)

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For the price of the Altitude 32 based processors, Trinnov should include the codec packs and not as a separate purchase. They would sell more of them, I would imagine.
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Actually, Storm Audio doesn't have such a beast. It's 16 channels of Atmos immersive processing only. Everything else above that is not discrete audio (matrix derived upmixing or bass management derived sub outs). It's DSP chipset based and most modern chipsets are at max 9.1.6 currently.
Yes, I was talking about all output channels (matrixed and discrete) when I mentioned the output number. There was an earlier post on this relative to the Storm. It was other on this thread or the MP-50 thread. Matrixed channels don’t bother me above the chipset or software driven 16 driven discrete channels. I am not aware of a chipset with greater than 16 discrete channels at the moment. Perhaps one is in development.
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For the price of the Altitude 32 based processors, Trinnov should include the codec packs and not as a separate purchase. They would sell more of them, I would imagine.
I know it's hard for us here to imagine , but not everyone buying an Altitude needs the codecs. There are people that might buy the Altitude for Optimizer, the PEQ flexibility, and active crossover capabilities, as well as the HDMI inputs (or legacy features like the RCA 7.1 analog inputs or AES inputs on the Altitude 32), but only require stereo, 5.1 or 7.1, or some esoteric customized layout.

There's probably also buyers in the pro audio world that might buy an Altitude 32 for features that aren't being included in older platforms like the MC, such as more sophisticated bass management (i.e. specific high pass/low pass filter and crossover settings that are in the Altitude GUI and not the active crossover menus), changes in the Optimizer's algorithm under the hood compared to the past products, while utilizing up to 16 channels of AES multichannel inputs, etc. They might not need the 3D codecs as such for their work.
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My beloved A32 8-16 came back from Trinnov after service/upgrade. It is now 16-32, and all issues fixed. Plays 176.4/192kHz in multichannel without any issues.

All good
Congrats.My A32 8-16 arrived at Trinnov USA in Connecticut for this same issue last Friday, so I should get it back in hopefully ten days to two weeks! Can't wait to hear how ROON sounds with resolution higher than 96k, up to 192k, for albums at that resolution, or higher res albums downsampled to 176k or 192k!

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I know it's hard for us here to imagine , but not everyone buying an Altitude needs the codecs. There are people that might buy the Altitude for Optimizer, the PEQ flexibility, and active crossover capabilities, as well as the HDMI inputs (or legacy features like the RCA 7.1 analog inputs or AES inputs on the Altitude 32), but only require stereo, 5.1 or 7.1, or some esoteric customized layout.
Funny stuff, Stuart. I actually LOL'd.
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If the Altitude 16 had an i5, was expandable to 20 or 24 channels at 192 kHz... I would feel better about the purchase. Seems like there is a bit of a hole between the Alt-16 and 32 with too large a disparity in price.

Storm Audio has such a beast, but its a traditional chip driven codec platform.
https://www.stormaudio.com/en/produc...d20-elite.html
You can’t compare a DSP chip with current corei3 processors . I build my own desktops and processors ,and because it is cool , I use corei7 s with liquid cooling , but I can assure you 99% of people will be just fine with current core i3s . Audio processing doesn’t take much bandwidth even at 192khz. Here is the top line comparison . I don’t see audio wise what core i3 can’t do that corei7 can as long as they don’t put the cheapest and lowest capability core i3 in Trinnov

Model: i9-9900K i7-9700K i5-9600K i3-9100k
Cores: 8 / 16 8 / 8 6 / 6 4 / 4
Base Freq: 3.6 3.6 3.7 3.7
Turbo Freq: 5.0 4.9 4.6 N/A
Cache: 16MB 12MB 9MB 6MB
TDP: 95W 95W 95W 65W
Price: £499 / $529 £409 / $409 £259 / $259 £140 / $170

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If the Altitude 16 had an i5, was expandable to 20 or 24 channels at 192 kHz... I would feel better about the purchase. Seems like there is a bit of a hole between the Alt-16 and 32 with too large a disparity in price.

Storm Audio has such a beast, but its a traditional chip driven codec platform.
https://www.stormaudio.com/en/produc...d20-elite.html
You can’t compare a DSP chip with current corei3 processors . I build my own desktops and processors ,and because it is cool , I use corei7 s with liquid cooling , but I can assure you 99% of people will be just fine with current core i3s . Audio processing doesn’t take much bandwidth even at 192khz. Here is the top line comparison . I don’t see audio wise what core i3 can’t do that corei7 can as long as they don’t put the cheapest and lowest capability core i3 in Trinnov

Model: i9-9900K i7-9700K i5-9600K i3-9100k
Cores: 8 / 16 8 / 8 6 / 6 4 / 4
Base Freq: 3.6 3.6 3.7 3.7
Turbo Freq: 5.0 4.9 4.6 N/A
Cache: 16MB 12MB 9MB 6MB
TDP: 95W 95W 95W 65W
Price: £499 / $529 £409 / $409 £259 / $259 £140 / $170

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But then again if it is the same socket you should be able to change the processor , after all it is just a computer .
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My understanding is that the Altitude 16 and 32 come with one standard room correction curve which is flat for amplitude. In reading reviews on the Trinnov Amethyst preamp I note that it has five curves, not one, for music luvers to experiment with. Now that the Altitude 16 and 32 are ROON Ready, this invites all Altitude users to become music lovers especially high res music. Are there any Altitude owners/users who have access to those curves and can show us those curves pictorially. And it would be nice if Trinnov would include multiple curves with the Altitude, including a brief explanation of what each curve does and whether the curve may be useful for home theater vs music.
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Hello All,


Can someone tell me the retail price for Altitude16 now in USA? is it $17,000?



I'm thinking to get the A16, is the SQ different than A32? Does it have the same software and features interface except aes ebu and more channel?


What do i get with the basic $17,000 price? Does it include 3D mic, new HDMI board? Can someone help and give me some details?



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what bubble level do you use for ensure the microphone level? I have one that I've had for years to level my component shelves, but I think a small circular one that fits right on top of the microphone with its cover on would be better.
I bought this -
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

but they sell multi dozens of similar ones - pick of color, solid or translucent background, disc size, target size, whether bubble is much smaller than the target circle or fills the target circle -

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=circular+...b_sb_ss_i_2_10

The diam of the one I got is a bit larger than the diam of plastic mic cover so it overhangs and not just fits on top.

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Can someone tell me the retail price for Altitude16 now in USA? is it $17,000?

I'm thinking to get the A16, is the SQ different than A32? Does it have the same software and features interface except aes ebu and more channel?

What do i get with the basic $17,000 price? Does it include 3D mic, new HDMI board? Can someone help and give me some details?

Thank you

It's $17K but that's for the processor and doesn't include the mic. The mic is $800. Mic's extra because their thinking is that not all owners are going to use one and solely use a pro calibrator to set it up & maintain. However, my personal thinking was if I can afford the $17K might as well get the mic too Even if you intend to hire a pro calibrator it might come in handy to learn how to make adjustments and re-measure. Also, I learned myself that if you add/remove speakers, add/remove subs, or change layouts for different presets, you have to re-run the Optimizer.

All 3D immersive codecs are included in the Alt16 for no added cost but are extra on an Alt32, someone can confirm the exact price but I believe it's in the range of about ~$2500 more or less.

The Alt16 has their latest HDMI 2.0b board, with 7 inputs that are programmable as 2.0 or as legacy 1.4; 2 HDMI outputs - one is 2.0b and one is 1.4. Same identical software, Optimizer, EQ, crossover capabilities, presets, and other features except A16 includes programmable triggers which the A32 doesn't. It does have a setup wizard in the GUI which may not yet be available for the A32. Roon-ready on both.

I can't compare to an A32 since I own the A16 but other than having the 96khz sampling limitation, I would think the sound quality would be pretty darn close if not the same since it's the same software I can't tell you specifics of DAC/ADC chips used. I think Trinnov holds that info close to the vest but from reviews & available info, they are professional pro-audio quality.

kingwiggi might be able to give you a comparison of both products since he had an A16 and I think upgraded to the 32.

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If the Altitude 16 had an i5, was expandable to 20 or 24 channels at 192 kHz... I would feel better about the purchase. Seems like there is a bit of a hole between the Alt-16 and 32 with too large a disparity in price.

Storm Audio has such a beast, but its a traditional chip driven codec platform.
https://www.stormaudio.com/en/produc...d20-elite.html

Keep in mind though the Storm units only operate internally at 48/24 which makes them the least capable in terms of overall audio fidelity and source signal preservation.

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What is your concern about the i3 use in the AL16? There are no performance issues with the device...
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My understanding is that the Altitude 16 and 32 come with one standard room correction curve which is flat for amplitude. In reading reviews on the Trinnov Amethyst preamp I note that it has five curves, not one, for music luvers to experiment with. Now that the Altitude 16 and 32 are ROON Ready, this invites all Altitude users to become music lovers especially high res music. Are there any Altitude owners/users who have access to those curves and can show us those curves pictorially. And it would be nice if Trinnov would include multiple curves with the Altitude, including a brief explanation of what each curve does and whether the curve may be useful for home theater vs music.
I'd like to see those curves myself. I'll see if I can get a hold of them....
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What is your concern about the i3 use in the AL16? There are no performance issues with the device...
Was speculating that perhaps the i3 was a limitation on the the 96khz cap, as well as the more obvious limitation it has on the # of channels the Altitude 16 can output (16).
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Can someone tell me the retail price for Altitude16 now in USA? is it $17,000?



I'm thinking to get the A16, is the SQ different than A32? Does it have the same software and features interface except aes ebu and more channel?


What do i get with the basic $17,000 price? Does it include 3D mic, new HDMI board? Can someone help and give me some details?



Thank you
Retail is $17k plus $750 for the mic kit.

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My understanding is that the Altitude 16 and 32 come with one standard room correction curve which is flat for amplitude. In reading reviews on the Trinnov Amethyst preamp I note that it has five curves, not one, for music luvers to experiment with. Now that the Altitude 16 and 32 are ROON Ready, this invites all Altitude users to become music lovers especially high res music. Are there any Altitude owners/users who have access to those curves and can show us those curves pictorially. And it would be nice if Trinnov would include multiple curves with the Altitude, including a brief explanation of what each curve does and whether the curve may be useful for home theater vs music.
I have created LOTS of target curves and while portions might be considered "generic" they will have to be tuned to your speakers and your room .... and your tastes. Experimentation and measurements are the key. I now have 4 targets I use: Movies; Most Music; 60's - 70's rock (all of the recorded bass is anemic); Concert Videos (in many cases, the recorded bass is too hot). But the fine tuning process never ends (or at least for people like me never ends, particularly for music listening)

Creating target curves is really easy and once created, slight modifications is even easier. Make a change, implement it and listen.

I use Roon, so I use headphones connected to my iPad (or computer) and use it and the Trinnov as an endpoint so I can listen to the same cut on both. This allows me to fine tune the music target curves so that my system/room sounds as much like the Disc as possible. Bass, in particular, is the most difficult to get to sound exactly like the disc but this technique allows me to get as close as possible. I'll hear some music and the bass sounds just right and hear other music, and it sounds, for example, bloated. The only way to tell if it is my system/room or as it is recorded is to compare the room to the headphones. Same hold true for the rest of the audio spectrum as well.

I learned this approach in my SigTech days as it was typically necessary to convince a few prospective buyers that the SigTech had not really robbed them of the bass.

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Hello All,


Can someone tell me the retail price for Altitude16 now in USA? is it $17,000?



I'm thinking to get the A16, is the SQ different than A32? Does it have the same software and features interface except aes ebu and more channel?


What do i get with the basic $17,000 price? Does it include 3D mic, new HDMI board? Can someone help and give me some details?



Thank you


Everything ss9001 said +

Movie sountracks are encoded at 48khz therefore SQ wise, movies will sound exactly the same whether using the A16 or A32. Internally they are using identical DAC boards. Atmos/Dts:x/Auro configured correctly in a 16 channel or less system will sound no different.

If you can actually hear the difference between a 96khz hires music track and 176/192khz track then the A32 does have some advantages in that those tracks will be played by the A32 without any downsampling. Again both units are still using the same hardware however Trinnov has chosen to limit the audio/music performance in the A16 to 96khz max.

The software feature set is identical for both units in the current BETA software.



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Everything ss9001 said +

Movie sountracks are encoded at 48khz therefore SQ wise, movies will sound exactly the same whether using the A16 or A32. Internally they are using identical DAC boards. Atmos/Dts:x/Auro configured correctly in a 16 channel or less system will sound no different.

If you can actually hear the difference between a 96khz hires music track and 176/192khz track then the A32 does have some advantages in that those tracks will be played by the A32 without any downsampling. Again both units are still using the same hardware however Trinnov has chosen to limit the audio/music performance in the A16 to 96khz max.

The software feature set is identical for both units in the current BETA software.
^^^What he said ... and what ss9001 said.
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