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post #7021 of 8150 Old 04-22-2019, 06:45 AM
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I hope so. It has been over 12 hours though. I hope I haven'y lost my database. The unit just shows the red light for a second and then it goes out. Nothing on the screen - no blue light and no way to connect via ssh.

Bad news. Sam finally got back to me last evening and nothing we tried - even re-installing would work. The installation screen would not come up no matter what we tried. I lost everything in my database and have to return the unit. The unsettling thing is that the "crash" happened while the unit was idle. It was working perfectly on Thursday night and then nothing of Friday when I turned my system on. (The power to the Vero was never disconnected.) I just haven't been having much luck with my technology lately. I guess I just have to wait for the replacement, rebuild and try again.

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Jon Herron of Trinnov got back to me regarding whether it was possible, since Auro-3D runs only up to 96k, for two channel music, for the front left and right stereo channels to run up to 192k, with the remaining channels running up to 96k. Jon checked with France on this to find out that the Altitude 32 cannot run at different sampling rates on different channels; and that Trinnov does not have the source code for Auro's upmixer with the code that Trinnov has working only to 96k.

I've already confirmed that the difference of 192k vs 96k, or 176k vs 88k, is very, very slight at best; whereas the difference using Auro-3D is much more prolific in terms of sonics as far as I am concerned. And of course, there is always the option of playing in "native" stereo for two channel at the higher resolution.

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J I've already confirmed that the difference of 192k vs 96k, or 176k vs 88k, is very, very slight at best; whereas the difference using Auro-3D is much more prolific in terms of sonics as far as I am concerned. And of course, there is always the option of playing in "native" stereo for two channel at the higher resolution.
192K in two channel vs 96K in Auro? No comparison.

Another subject. Have you been able to play any of your ripped 4.0 or 5.1 DVD-A discs on the Trinnov via Roon? For some reason (probably Operator Error) I am still unable to get anything but 2 channel even though Roon shows that is delivering multi-channel.
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192K in two channel vs 96K in Auro? No comparison.

Another subject. Have you been able to play any of your ripped 4.0 or 5.1 DVD-A discs on the Trinnov via Roon? For some reason (probably Operator Error) I am still unable to get anything but 2 channel even though Roon shows that is delivering multi-channel.
Yes, I have no issue at all playing ripped SACD or DVD-A or purchased downloaded hi rez multi-channel albums (NativeDSD.com). The ROON display always shows the proper # of channels playing. And I've checked the Alt32 processing tab (with Alt32 audio mode set to native so that processing tab will show incoming native channels) and it shows all channels playing. I have ROON set to channel mapping only. However, I will triple check this later today and I'll let you know 100% for sure.

I wonder if this could have anything to do with your Alt32 having a defective firewire card. Remember, my Alt32 skipped on stereo and multi-channel above 96k and the firewire card was replaced as it bandwith issues. No issues anymore.

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Bad news. Sam finally got back to me last evening and nothing we tried - even re-installing would work. The installation screen would not come up no matter what we tried. I lost everything in my database and have to return the unit. The unsettling thing is that the "crash" happened while the unit was idle. It was working perfectly on Thursday night and then nothing of Friday when I turned my system on. (The power to the Vero was never disconnected.) I just haven't been having much luck with my technology lately. I guess I just have to wait for the replacement, rebuild and try again.
Weird, I had multiple OSMC units without any issues. Hope you get better luck with the next one. By the way, I have heard of units die, but usually that is due to bad ventilation (sticking the Vero 4K+ in narrow places on top of surround processor with no circulation of air).

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Weird, I had multiple OSMC units without any issues. Hope you get better luck with the next one. By the way, I have heard of units die, but usually that is due to bad ventilation (sticking the Vero 4K+ in narrow places on top of surround processor with no circulation of air).

Yeah, hopefully just bad luck. Ventilation and heat was not a problem with mine. It was on an open shelf with plenty of airflow and space and never got that warm even in constant use. "Uptime" showed an average of 2% processor load. But then - all of a sudden - nothing. It is quite frustrating after spending so much time getting it set up.

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Yeah, hopefully just bad luck. Ventilation and heat was not a problem with mine. It was on an open shelf with plenty of airflow and space and never got that warm even in constant use. "Uptime" showed an average of 2% processor load. But then - all of a sudden - nothing. It is quite frustrating after spending so much time getting it set up.
I run the database on mysql (on one of my NAS boxes) - then only thing I need to do is to connect the device to database; the rest just works - takes 2 minutes maximum. Also today a version built on kodi 18.1 was released; seems to work very well.

Using a database on network also enables me to use it on multiple devices.

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Your issue can also be connected to faulty power supply; if you have access to a different power supply with same specifications you could try that.

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I run the database on mysql (on one of my NAS boxes) - then only thing I need to do is to connect the device to database; the rest just works - takes 2 minutes maximum. Also today a version built on kodi 18.1 was released; seems to work very well.

I'm not sure I understand. I don't see any option for moving the Kodi database to another volume. But regardless of where it is, I will have to rebuild it. And that requires a bit of manual intervention on my part so that all my movie and TV show descriptions are downloaded properly.

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I'm not sure I understand. I don't see any option for moving the Kodi database to another volume. But regardless of where it is, I will have to rebuild it. And that requires a bit of manual intervention on my part so that all my movie and TV show descriptions are downloaded properly.
You can set up mysql on any device; and connect any kodi client to this device (read: database). Easy Google knows

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OK. Maybe I will look into it when I get a replacement device. I have not heard anything about shipping. I hope they don't make me wait until they get my defective unit back. I am already frustrated enough. I hate when my system is down and I can't do anything about it.

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OK. Maybe I will look into it when I get a replacement device. I have not heard anything about shipping. I hope they don't make me wait until they get my defective unit back. I am already frustrated enough. I hate when my system is down and I can't do anything about it.
Just push them and say you want it fast

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I did. There has been no response at all since last evening. That is why I suspect nothing is happening.

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@Kal Rubinson have you written about the Altitude 32 or 16 in your column? Google only seems to find your report on the R-972.

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You will find the ROON Ready ethernet working and sounding great! Like me, you can experiment for albums where you have hi rez two channel vs hi rez multi-channel as to which sounds better - in Auro-3D (but you have to set ROON to output no higher than 96k for Auro-3D to work) .

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As a crazy audiophile, I want my sonics to be top notch and I have clearly noted leaving the Altitude 32 on gives me best sonics as it has no standby feature. Easy to keep my TIVO OTA Bolt or DirecTV playing with volume turned all way down; and easy once in awhile to turn off and back on to avoid "log filling up".
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Yes, more detail, as your post is not clear enough

“applies to beta 4.2.11 only: Selecting HDMI source with no clock will quickly fill logs. Logs are continuously getting error “no clock”

For production software, yes better to turn off each night as the oldest log is replaced by the new one, which has the effect of good log housekeeping, keeping log sizes to a minimum. Logs are essential land necessary for this complex box, to allow diagnosing issues when they occur.
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“applies to beta 4.2.11 only: Selecting HDMI source with no clock will quickly fill logs. Logs are continuously getting error “no clock”

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Yes, I have no issue at all playing ripped SACD or DVD-A or purchased downloaded hi rez multi-channel albums (NativeDSD.com).
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Thanks for the link to that website. Very nice stuff.

Other than downloading to my computer and then moving the file to my SGC, is there another way to get it on the i5 without the double step?
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I'm new to Trinnov..so new it has not arrived yet! But had a few questions. On the Altitude 16, does it have support for ARC? I might be getting rid of my cable box, and wanted to know if I could route the sound back to the 16 that way?

Also, I know it has digital outputs....would those be 'on' all the time? If I go with audio via ethernet, I need sound out of the 16 to a pre/pro that I use for another zone of music...controlled by a totally different system. I would just want the same music being played throughout the house!

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Indeed. Very good stuff.

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In theory, you can download it to any drive on your network to avoid having to move it from one device to another. However, the downloads are zipped files and you may find it easier to unzip them on your computer.

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Thanks for the link to that website. Very nice stuff.

Other than downloading to my computer and then moving the file to my SGC, is there another way to get it on the i5 without the double step?
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In theory, you can download it to any drive on your network to avoid having to move it from one device to another. However, the downloads are zipped files and you may find it easier to unzip them on your computer.
I agree. I download to a pc and then copy to both my main Western Digital 32 TB MyCloudPR4100 and also to the backup drive.

By the way, good sites to purchase and download hi rez music from:

www.hdtracks.com
www.prostudiomasters.com
www.nativedsd.com (includes multi-channel)
www.highresaudio.com
(some music may not be purchased in US due to territorial restrictions, but a lot still can be purchased including most albums with label 2xHD)
www.bluecoastmusic.com
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I agree. I download to a pc and then copy to both my main Western Digital 32 TB MyCloudPR4100 and also to the backup drive.

By the way, good sites to purchase and download hi rez music from:

www.hdtracks.com
www.prostudiomasters.com
www.nativedsd.com (includes multi-channel)
www.highresaudio.com
(some music may not be purchased in US due to territorial restrictions, but a lot still can be purchased including most albums with label 2xHD)
www.bluecoastmusic.com
I would add Qobuz for those that purchase Qobuz Sublime+
https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/music/streaming/offers
https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/shop

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My Trinnov is all of the sudden having issues with my DirecTV the last few weeks. It appears to be an HDCP issue. I was getting an error message saying the TV was incompatible with the content protection. I decided to take this opportunity to upgrade my system to see if a new box would solve the problem. I just had a technician out at the house this morning upgrading to a Genie 2 system, which involved changing over to a 4K client box for my media room. Same issue with the new box, it was as if the DTV box was not seeing my 4K HDMI chain. I narrowed the issue down to the Trinnov, because if I hooked the DTV box directly up to my JVC RS4500, everything worked fine. Any ideas?
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I agree. I download to a pc and then copy to both my main Western Digital 32 TB MyCloudPR4100 and also to the backup drive.

By the way, good sites to purchase and download hi rez music from:

www.hdtracks.com
www.prostudiomasters.com
www.nativedsd.com (includes multi-channel)
www.highresaudio.com
(some music may not be purchased in US due to territorial restrictions, but a lot still can be purchased including most albums with label 2xHD)
www.bluecoastmusic.com
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I would add Qobuz for those that purchase Qobuz Sublime+
https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/music/streaming/offers
https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/shop
One more, last but not least.

www.highdefinitiontapetransfers.com

Lately I've been getting some of their jazz titles and they are amazing sounding - stereo!!! Mostly old concerts recorded on reel to reel at 15 LPS!

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! 9.4.13 Trinnov Altitude 32 Theatre renovation/upgrade starts end of July 2019!
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Then let me give you a completely biased statement. If you ever want expandability beyond 16 channels; if you want to be able to get Codec changes via download vs chip changes; if you want a processor that has more built-in calibrator functionality than any thing on the market; if the pricing of the Trinnov is in your budget, then buy the Trinnov. If those things are not important to you, then you have lots of other excellent choices - and you should consider investigating other products/threads.

Thanks Chuck - I'm probably maxxed at 7.2.4. I've got a Bryston sp4 (storm audio clone) right now, but I've got the "what if" re: the Trinnov. I'm debating wether or not it'd be worth it to just compare both in my room.....
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Hi everyone,

I have a question on the optimization applied on the sound by the Trinnov32. Is this optimization applied on the digital signal or the analogue one?

I am asking to see how best to listen to my DSD music, if the optimization is appolied on the analogue signal then i use a DSD DAC as a source to feed the trinnov with an analogue signal.

Thanks
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Hi everyone,

I have a question on the optimization applied on the sound by the Trinnov32. Is this optimization applied on the digital signal or the analogue one?

I am asking to see how best to listen to my DSD music, if the optimization is appolied on the analogue signal then i use a DSD DAC as a source to feed the trinnov with an analogue signal.

Thanks
Everything is done in the digital domain, including basics like gains/delays and even volume (64bit FP). There is no pure analog path thru the Altitude.
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