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I must be doing something wrong. I am using Qobuz within Roon and can find nothing that remotely looks like your attachment.

If I log on directly to Qobuz, I get a different interface (nothing like you posted) but there I can find access to the Qobuz Store.
You need to use the Qobuz app directly (not Roon). If you search up an album you have the option to buy it (ref previous attachment).

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I take it no one is using 5 mains or rear wides?
By '5 mains' do you mean L, Lc, C, Rc, R? If so, yes, I'm using those. How much Lc and Rc actually contribute though, I can't tell you, I imagine I could probably do without them.
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Wow 400TB!! I only have 50TB at the moment, mostly REMUX and BDVM movies.


Have you tested Vero 4K vs Oppo 205? I have modified Oppo 205 but want to see if something is better out there.


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Vero 4K+ (the latest one) works very well. I don't have Oppo 205, but I have the Oppo 203. The Vero 4K+ is much more user-friendly. Video quality is on the same level (I know work is being done to further improve the Vero 4K+ regarding video quality especially for content with lower bitrate). Currently I would say the Oppo 203 is slightly better on low bitrate content. And the Vero 4K+ does not support dolby vision, but it supports HDR10 and with the LG OLED dynamic contrast enabled (lowest level) the TV actually adjust the gamma curve according to content on the fly. So difference is minimal compared to Dolby Vision.

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Vero 4K+ (the latest one) works very well. I don't have Oppo 205, but I have the Oppo 203. The Vero 4K+ is much more user-friendly. Video quality is on the same level (I know work is being done to further improve the Vero 4K+ regarding video quality especially for content with lower bitrate). Currently I would say the Oppo 203 is slightly better on low bitrate content. And the Vero 4K+ does not support dolby vision, but it supports HDR10 and with the LG OLED dynamic contrast enabled (lowest level) the TV actually adjust the gamma curve according to content on the fly. So difference is minimal compared to Dolby Vision.



Thank you. Modified Oppo 205 is significantly much better than original in picture and SQ, so I think I have one of the best player in the market at the moment. Dolby vision is a must for me as many latest blockbuster movies have it and it is superior than HDR10



I calibrated my OLED with HDR10 + DV pattern with Calman.
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By '5 mains' do you mean L, Lc, C, Rc, R? If so, yes, I'm using those. How much Lc and Rc actually contribute though, I can't tell you, I imagine I could probably do without them.
Yes, that is exactly what I meant. I am debating on doing the Left center and Right center with 2 SCL-2 (to compliment my M2 LCR) vs doing 3 sets of rear surrounds.

I suppose I can experiment with both, but I was hoping to find someone who already has already done some comparisons on their own. Doing LC and RC requires relocating 2 subs to the rear of the theater.

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Is there any consensus as to what the best mic holder is for the 3D Trinnov mic?


this is what I used:

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I'm using the same; got one from Trinnov as well - but the one you linked to is better.

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Soon time to get my much talked about 9 ceiling speakers mounted... But I'm not 100% in agreement with myself here

L and R are currently at 30 degrees.

So my plan:
Lfh/Rfh 30
Ltf/Rtf 50
Ltm/Rtm 80
Ltr/Rtr 120
Ch 0

Any views here ?


Existing speakers:
L/R 30
Lw/Rw 45 (I would like these to be 55-60, but not doable - well, it is doable, but it will be complicated entering the room)
Ls/Rs 90
Lrs/Rrs 135
C 0

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I'm using the same; got one from Trinnov as well - but the one you linked to is better.
What do you like better about it. And it is hard to tell from the image but how does the mic stay in place?
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What do you like better about it. And it is hard to tell from the image but how does the mic stay in place?
It is more solid/higher quality. There is a mechanical spring that holds the microphone in place; if you look at the picture you can see it - squeeze to open; release to hold in place. Pure magic

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Keep in mind, most likely you don't need it at all - a microphone stand alone located on the seat of the MLP indicate you don't need this thing.

I use this one with microphone directly attached. You can set it directly on the seat (with all possibilities to adjust microphone to be aligned on all 3 axis).
https://www.amazon.com/25960-500-55-...gateway&sr=8-1
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Thanks, that's really helpful.
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Hi,

A quick question regarding 7.x.6 vs 9.x.4?

About to get my Alt16 in the next week and wondering which way to go first. I have been trying to read lots of posts re: movies with Atmos tracks - is it correct in assuming that most movies will output Atmos to whichever speakers in your setup other than Disney movies which seem to be encoded as 7.1.4 only?

Back to the first question, I'm currently running 7.4.4 and planning to either go 9.3(one paired sub).4 or 7.3(4).6 with the most practical choice of going the option of front wides as this is much easier to setup rather than installing another pair of ceiling speakers, which I would do if this was the better way to go.

I know a bit long winded but...

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A quick question regarding 7.x.6 vs 9.x.4?



About to get my Alt16 in the next week and wondering which way to go first. I have been trying to read lots of posts re: movies with Atmos tracks - is it correct in assuming that most movies will output Atmos to whichever speakers in your setup other than Disney movies which seem to be encoded as 7.1.4 only?



Back to the first question, I'm currently running 7.4.4 and planning to either go 9.3(one paired sub).4 or 7.3(4).6 with the most practical choice of going the option of front wides as this is much easier to setup rather than installing another pair of ceiling speakers, which I would do if this was the better way to go.



I know a bit long winded but...



Thanks!


I’ve had my A16 for a little over a month now coming from a 8805 and then SP4. I come to appreciate the A16 more and more as I become increasingly familiar with it. I have tried both configs and settled on a 7.2.6. I’m looking at moving to a 9.2.6 (I combine my subs on one output with minidsp). I found the 7.2.6 far more immersive in my room.


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I’ve had my A16 for a little over a month now coming from a 8805 and then SP4. I come to appreciate the A16 more and more as I become increasingly familiar with it. I have tried both configs and settled on a 7.2.6. I’m looking at moving to a 9.2.6 (I combine my subs on one output with minidsp). I found the 7.2.6 far more immersive in my room.


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I have 9.x.6 but the center heights seem to get more use than the wides. So I would recommend 7.x.6.
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I have 9.x.6 but the center heights seem to get more use than the wides. So I would recommend 7.x.6.
I did come across an earlier post from you stating that 7.x.6 is the better option and haven't come across anyone else saying go front wides. Just that I've been suggested by the distributor for Trinnov to go front wides to fill in the space between the front speakers and the surrounds - but my understanding is that the Atmos tracks are often encoded with a 'limit' to how many surrounds are used - would that be correct? And most movies have not been encoded to use front wides?

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I have 9.x.6 but the center heights seem to get more use than the wides. So I would recommend 7.x.6.

How to find out if each movies I am playing will have 9.x.6? How to check? Trinnov output indicator only?



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I did come across an earlier post from you stating that 7.x.6 is the better option and haven't come across anyone else saying go front wides. Just that I've been suggested by the distributor for Trinnov to go front wides to fill in the space between the front speakers and the surrounds - but my understanding is that the Atmos tracks are often encoded with a 'limit' to how many surrounds are used - would that be correct? And most movies have not been encoded to use front wides?

Thanks for the info!
More like many mixers don’t make good use of them. And Disney keeps most to all of their content to 7.1.4 as some sort of corporate philosophy. But it’s not a hard and fast rule across the board.

A bit old, but you can start with this thread:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/86-ul...ng-thread.html

I'd also add Gravity, A House with a Clock on Its Walls, Red Sparrow, and Spiderman: Homecoming among this list.
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Quick question to the group (I'm asking blind here as I'm at work, and not in front of my unit):

1. When the Altitude has Roon selected as the input, will it output the signal digitally over AES/EBU XLR?

2. If I wanted to have two 'Roon' modes, one with the 12v output triggers enabled, and a second with the 12v output triggers disabled, how would I set that up (or work around to achieve it)?
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I did come across an earlier post from you stating that 7.x.6 is the better option and haven't come across anyone else saying go front wides. Just that I've been suggested by the distributor for Trinnov to go front wides to fill in the space between the front speakers and the surrounds - but my understanding is that the Atmos tracks are often encoded with a 'limit' to how many surrounds are used - would that be correct? And most movies have not been encoded to use front wides?



Thanks for the info!

I have a 7.4.6 system (not Trinnov) and I have recently tied my front and middle row of Atmos speakers together (just splitting off the front row signal from my processor) as I am testing to see if the middle row is really making a difference. So far I don’t feel that I am missing anything. My theater is approximately 24ft long with two rows of seating. My ceiling is 9.5ft high.

Whether you can hear a difference between four and six ceiling speakers will depend on if the mix is true Atmos or fixed to four speakers, how high your ceilings are, how much space is between each row of speakers and your room acoustics... and the processing done my the Trinnov.

My next test will be to just listen to the middle row of speakers in some Atmos “active” movies and see how much sound actually comes through the middle row.


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I have a 7.4.6 system (not Trinnov) and I have recently tied my front and middle row of Atmos speakers together (just splitting off the front row signal from my processor) as I am testing to see if the middle row is really making a difference. So far I don’t feel that I am missing anything. My theater is approximately 24ft long with two rows of seating. My ceiling is 9.5ft high.

Whether you can hear a difference between four and six ceiling speakers will depend on if the mix is true Atmos or fixed to four speakers, how high your ceilings are, how much space is between each row of speakers and your room acoustics... and the processing done my the Trinnov.

My next test will be to just listen to the middle row of speakers in some Atmos “active” movies and see how much sound actually comes through the middle row.
A couple other options: You can look at the Datasat meters or you can mute the front and rear ceiling speakers. Use (if you have it) the Atmos Demo disc to see how it helps (or doesn't) in your room.

My ceiling is only 8 feet and the front and rear ceiling speakers are about 9 feet apart. And even thought the tweeter is aimed directly at the MLP, having the center ceiling speakers helps in those situations where the mix wasn't fixed to 7.x.4.
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Hello all,

I am recreating my Marantz based, 7.2.4 home theater from scratch, by focusing on the stereo listening performance first, and to that extend I pulled the trigger for a set of Tannoy Westminsters and a Luxman M900u amplifier. That put me in a totally new territory and I am looking for the upgrade path over the next years, for critical listening first and then slowly rebuilding my home theater. I have been lurking every now and then in this thread, which is now a sizeable one, so excuse me if my following questions have been answered already:

1. From a standard "audiophile" point of view, a Pre-amp and/or a DAC would be the next component to invest in. High-end pre-amps, like the Luxman C900u are comparable to and can even surpass a Trinnov Altitude 16 in price. If the Room Correction and 3D remapping aspect of Trinnov come into play, does this make the Altitude the winner against any pre-amp from any price for music listening? Is there any reason why one would prefer a standard Pre-amp instead? Has somebody compared Trinnov + Room Correction versus top end preamps + DACs?
2. Is it recommended to correct the main speakers only till a certain frequency e.g. 500 Hz or it is preferred to have the Room Correction and a home curve for the full frequency spectrum for music?
3. What would happen if an immersive codec like Atmos/DTS-X is folded only to a stereo pair in absence of other speakers? Will the Trinnov speaker remapping capability try to emulate the missing speakers by using wall reflections, essentially emulating a soundbar? Would that affect what room treatment is employed?

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I’ve had my A16 for a little over a month now coming from a 8805 and then SP4. I come to appreciate the A16 more and more as I become increasingly familiar with it. I have tried both configs and settled on a 7.2.6. I’m looking at moving to a 9.2.6 (I combine my subs on one output with minidsp). I found the 7.2.6 far more immersive in my room.


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I’m interested in you opinion comparing A16 and 8805.

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I’m interested in you opinion comparing A16 and 8805.

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I'm much more interested in why he went from SP4 to A16
One I know of actually dropped buying the A16 and went for a SP4 instead; big mistake in my opinion. So it is interesting to see someone going the other direction.

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Forgetting the hardware improvements channels supported, upgradability, etc, Audyssey vs Room Optimizer are not even close to the same league. I did a blind comparison a long time ago except it didn't need to be blind. With Optimizer (or even Dirac) the bass was better integrated; the bass was cleaner; the room was FAR more enveloping; the clarity of the vocals was far better; sound didn't come from any speakers but was placed in the exact location where it was intended. I could go on.

I still am absolutely dumb founded that Audyssey, which once OWNED the room correction market, fell in the toilet. Audyssey is WAY better than no correction - usually- (or the home grown "product" on Onkyo products) but truly has been left in the dust with both Dirac and now Optimizer.

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But I must add, one cost $17.000 and the other cost about $5000!! In this case, you actually do get what you paid for!
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I'm much more interested in why he went from SP4 to A16
One I know of actually dropped buying the A16 and went for a SP4 instead; big mistake in my opinion. So it is interesting to see someone going the other direction.

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Hi there. I went from a Marantz 8802a, to the 8805, and then an Emotiva RMC-1.

The Trinnov beckoned me due to the versatility and 32 channel count, and the fact that the RMC-1 was quite buggy. The RMC-1 seemed to handle bass extremely well IMHO though, and sounded quite clean when not committing errors. The Emotiva could have been a keeper had it not been for other engineering issues and the 9.1.6 limitation.

I must say though, that the RMC-1 seemed quite promising, without even yet having the benefit of Dirac room correction.

I am curious, what specifically, other than channel count, the optimizer and versatility, do you consider the Trinnov provides that is in a different universe?

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Forgetting the hardware improvements channels supported, upgradability, etc, Audyssey vs Room Optimizer are not even close to the same league. I did a blind comparison a long time ago except it didn't need to be blind. With Optimizer (or even Dirac) the bass was better integrated; the bass was cleaner; the room was FAR more enveloping; the clarity of the vocals was far better; sound didn't come from any speakers but was placed in the exact location where it was intended. I could go on.



I still am absolutely dumb founded that Audyssey, which once OWNED the room correction market, fell in the toilet. Audyssey is WAY better than no correction - usually- (or the home grown "product" on Onkyo products) but truly has been left in the dust with both Dirac and now Optimizer.



As I have heard on TV "Fuh get about it" !!



But I must add, one cost $17.000 and the other cost about $5000!! In this case, you actually do get what you paid for!


You said everything. Thanks for your experience.


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For what its worth here is my take...

First, let me say I do not consider myself a brand loyalist to anyone. I've been at this hobby for 30 years now and, since we are talking processors, I'll stick to that. I've owned the following processors in that time:

Lexicon MC-1
Lexicon MC12B
Classe' CT-SSP
Marantz 8802A
Marantz 8805
Bryston SP4
Trinnov A16

I make every effort to balance need/want, value, & price. Right or wrong I measure everything off the 8805. Mainly because, although it won't dazzle anyone with its specs, it does everything and it does it well. I'm going to compare it to the RMC-1 for a second just to clarify. I was really interested in that piece but it doesn't matter what the specs are, how good the dacs are, how many channels it can implement, what codecs it has available, what room correction it will have available. None of that matters if it cant perform the most basic functions well. So when I measure a piece it has to do the basics well first and then the bells and whistles become the icing on the cake.

The biggest flaw to me with the 8805 was Audyssey. I could not, for the life of me, get it to sound good in my room. I even went so far as to use a Wisdom SC3 in the system just so I could run Dirac to all 15 channels. The Bryston SP4 had the stability of the 8805 and the extras including Dirac made it an excellent bang for the buck in my book. To some, that probably sounds crazy talking about an upper 4 figure piece but we are all in this game at the level we are so it is what it is. I truly struggled with the decision but the Trinnov has always been on my to do list. I've always placed an emphasis on video and spent a good amount of money on projectors from Runco, DPI, & now Sony. As I've gotten older, audio has taken on a new importance for me. At some level it may have over taken video. So I guess, if Im willing to spend that kind of dollars on video then why should audio have different expectations. I will fully admit there are many on here with far more acoustical knowledge than me. I also fully admit that much of the functionality of the Trinnov is probably not being fully utilized in my system yet. That being said, I can also say without a doubt, it provides me with the most acoustical enjoyment of any piece I've owned to date. So much so that I do contemplate moving to an A32 at some point. Not because I think I will be additionally wowed sonically by its more expansive counterpart but because I may want to increase my speaker count. I won't even try to argue that, on paper, the A32 has better sonic capabilities. Just simply, for me...I don't care. Mainly because I honestly don't think I'd hear a difference. If I do upgrade it will be for channel requirements alone.

Is the A16 worth 3x the 8805...probably not. Is it worth 2x? Based on other market options currently available absolutely in my book. It does everything the 8805 did and does it well. The optimizer is light years ahead of anything else. It has every configuration option imaginable and it is upgradable. Again, basing this purely in my room after experiencing Audyssey, Dirac and now Trinnov. So in my book it becomes a question of is the extra $4-$5k of luxury tax as I'll call it for the Trinnov A16 worth the added enjoyment? For me it has been.

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Thank you for your detailed answear! It seems that the A16 ou A32 is my next upgrade.


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