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And congratulations to you for the recognition in the Trinnov newsletter. I just got their email a short time ago. Well-deserved!

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Steve,

I guess things are quite a bit different with the Altitude than the older Optimizers, where I believe all units' hardware had at minimum 16 ch capability, but came stock with fewer licenses, which could be added at per each cost.


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We may be referring to 2 different things. I was initially commenting on adding speakers to an existing layout but still within the existing channel count - like going from 7.1.4 to 9.1.6 on a 16 ch unit as an example. There's no cost to do that. Sorry I didn't make that clearer.

The other, to which I think you're referencing is adding boards for more channels which does incur a cost. I believe the boards are 8 ch chunks. I'm an Alt16 owner so can't add the hardware if I wanted to But some Alt32 owner can address this I'm sure what the current cost is for increasing the gear's max channel count by a hardware & software upgrade to make an Alt32-16 an Alt32-24 or Alt32-32 for instance.

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Has anyone heard any speculation or rumors of delays to DTS:X Pro update, seems slightly ominous that the Trinnov newsletter contains no mention of it when it was expected to drop around now.

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Has anyone heard any speculation or rumors of delays to DTS:X Pro update, seems slightly ominous that the Trinnov newsletter contains no mention of it when it was expected to drop around now.
No speculation or rumour... it is in progress and will be made available when Trinnov is happy with quality

Regarding rumour however, it's getting close.

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I'm always curious regarding these requests; why would anyone have this pushed out before quality is according to Trinnov's expectations? It will be made available when it's ready. Trinnov is not sitting on it all done; I think they are just as keen pushing it out as we all here want it available. There is no secret agenda

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No speculation or rumour... it is in progress and will be made available when Trinnov is happy with quality
That's not exactly what I heard a couple of months ago during the webinar. Supposedly all is ready on the technical side, and the waiting is for certification papers only.

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That might actually be a good description of the current situation: sitting on it all done, waiting for the paper work to be signed off ....
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No speculation or rumour... it is in progress and will be made available when Trinnov is happy with quality



Regarding rumour however, it's getting close.



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I'm always curious regarding these requests; why would anyone have this pushed out before quality is according to Trinnov's expectations? It will be made available when it's ready. Trinnov is not sitting on it all done; I think they are just as keen pushing it out as we all here want it available. There is no secret agenda

Your reading far too much into what was effectively a simple question. There was no demand or request for it to be made available now, nor any suggestion of a secret agenda. It’s quite possible that someone here might have heard why there was a further delay especially since Trinnov mentioned in the webinar that the software was ready at their end and they expected to make it available shortly after Cedia.


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That's not exactly what I heard a couple of months ago during the webinar. Supposedly all is ready on the technical side, and the waiting is for certification papers only.



That might actually be a good description of the current situation: sitting on it all done, waiting for the paper work to be signed off ....
Regardless - if it is due to further improvements or signing of papers - it's still not done

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That's not exactly what I heard a couple of months ago during the webinar. Supposedly all is ready on the technical side, and the waiting is for certification papers only.
That's exactly I heard when I pinged Trinnov awhile back. The actual programming was straightforward, as all DTS:X Pro is doing is eliminating the 11 channel limit for processing, for purposes of expanding out to more channels with post-process upmix and rendering beyond 11 channels IF the extra objects were assigned beyond an 11 channel layout. Rather the issue is the certification process and bureaucracy.

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That might actually be a good description of the current situation: sitting on it all done, waiting for the paper work to be signed off ....
Yup. Unfortunately Trinnov isn't all powerful yet and still depends on DTS to sign off on whatever they need to sign off on for the release to happen.

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Oh well, it seems like a waste to be in the forum when I'll never have a Trinnov. So I'm out. Does anyone know how to delete my account on here?
Why delete your account? You are certainly welcome to post in threads without being an owner...at least I think so lol. I post in many threads even though I don't own all the brands.
I must confess I am a bit puzzled by your radical shifts in direction in a short period of time but it is your prerogative....
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Why delete your account? You are certainly welcome to post in threads without being an owner...at least I think so lol. I post in many threads even though I don't own all the brands.
I must confess I am a bit puzzled by your radical shifts in direction in a short period of time but it is your prerogative....
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I must confess I am a bit puzzled by your radical shifts in direction in a short period of time but it is your prerogative....
Maybe posting on the Trinnov thread won't be of interest to Mike_Pasich necessarily, but there are plenty of threads about movies, TV series, and music to participate in that aren't about gear as such. No need to give up on AVS just because you're not looking at gear...

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Is there some importance as to when the Trinnov is turned on in relation to the projector and sources. I've had a couple of instances where the
Trinnov didn't respond to any inputs. A simple off/on solved it, but since I have a Control 4 system, any sequence or delay can be built in.
My previous processor, a Theta Casablanca, was really picky. it had to be turned on first or the HDMI handshake didn't happen.

The annoying thing is that its intermittent.

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I'm sure you'll get lots of different opinions. Likely depends on modality software. For me it's:

Trinnov until fully booted -> amps -> Lumagen -> projector -> source
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How much time do you allow for the boot time. That sounds like the issue.

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I asked Jon Herron of Trinnov this question a while back. His answer was Projector first, then Trinnov, and lastly Source.

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Projector first, then Trinnov, and lastly Source.

That has been true for every processor I have owned, Trinnov included.
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Projector first, then Trinnov, and lastly Source.

That has been true for every processor I have owned, Trinnov included.
What Chuck said. Not a Trinnov owner, but I have found turning the projector on first, then my processor, then my source prevents these type of problems. My understanding is that it is due to HDMI handshaking and communication protocol.

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With my MX170 it doesn’t matter what order I power on my devices it syncs. Since that is the case, I power on my projector last. (SSP, then amps, then source, then projector).
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I asked Jon since I had a lot of HDMI issues not encountered before and this was the only change I made to the chain at that time. Like I said, I follow his advice but I found this from Denon: "The power on order can be a key issue as to whether or not the HDMI signals will pass through the system. For best results, the receiver should be powered on first, then the TV, and lastly the source device(s). The reason for this has to do with getting the equipment to communicate properly for the HDCP protocol and correct EDID response."

Given HDMI, the key is probably doing whatever works for your set of gear.

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I don't have a projector connected to the Altitude32 (I have my LG OLED B7), but the HDMI board has been working perfectly since the 4.2.11 release. No issues regardless; even Apple TV 4K works flawlessly.
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I don't have a projector connected to the Altitude32 (I have my LG OLED B7), but the HDMI board has been working perfectly since the 4.2.11 release. No issues regardless; even Apple TV 4K works flawlessly.
I went from the dreaded pink screen crashes to complete stability . I set my 4k sources (Oppo / Panasonic ) to 1.4 and Apple TV 4K to 2.0 and no more video problems .

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StormAudio has shown that it can be better with the new HDMI card, very fast switching and all devices are reliably recognized, the order does not matter.
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StormAudio has shown that it can be better with the new HDMI card, very fast switching and all devices are reliably recognized, the order does not matter.
Except that this is not a Storm Audio thread. I will refrain from comparing Storm Audio to the Trinnov. You may want to consider doing the same.
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It is not a matter of comparison, but Trinnov would have to think slowly about a better HDMI card.
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It is not a matter of comparison, but Trinnov would have to think slowly about a better HDMI card.
I agree. I would think feedback from owners of other processors would help show that there may be room for improvement re the Trinnov hdmi board if it proves temperamental. Feedback could prove helpful with future board development. It has nothing to do with taking shots at Trinnov, or comparison in a snide light, such as the case with my comment.
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I agree. I would think feedback from owners of other processors would help show that there may be room for improvement re the Trinnov hdmi board if it proves temperamental. Feedback could prove helpful with future board development. It has nothing to do with taking shots at Trinnov, or comparison in a snide light, such as the case with my comment.
These aren't apples to apples comparisons, and [email protected] is offering opinions with subjective terms like "better" and "all devices are reliably recognized". Without support of specific devices and an A/B comparison, these read like marketing claims rather than evidence-based conclusions.

The specific devices engaged, the display/projector, cabling (i.e. passive vs. active over 25 ft), and the like are always going to be factors for switching performance of HDMI boards at a consumer level. And saying "the order doesn't matter" goes known recommendations for the startup path for HDMI-supporting equipment, from Denon and Trinnov (among others; this is hardly the first thread with HDMI switching that has been discussed on AVS). Why should Storm be the exception?

Also, it's unclear if he is a simply an owner, a dealer himself, or a stakeholder with Storm Audio. Looking at his post history, it seems that he almost exclusively posts about Storm Audio, on this thread or others. So forgive me for offering cynicism about his motives surfacing on this thread.
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All of the above said, I haven't had any real issues with the Trinnov HDMI path since the last board software revision. Every problem I can think of was resolved by using good cables. And for those without thousands (tens) of dollars in test equipment, the diagnostics available is incredibly useful. I don't know of any other manufacturer that provides that level of information.
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