Originally Posted by audioguy
This discussion on the "possible merits" of DTS:X Pro over Atmos reminds me of the early discussions when 3D audio was first announced. It was Auro this an Auro that. The only issue is there is STILL (4 or 5 years later) NO Auro movie content in the US (I have one music Auro Music BR and one Auro demo disc). Clearly the jury is out on DTS:X Pro until someone starts producing movie discs with objects that exceed 11 speakers.
What amazes me is that someone can have the money to buy a $30K+ Trinnov processor but apparently cannot manage to place an order for a movie from Amazon UK or Germany even though they use the same exact logon and even pass your billing info through. If I didn't use Amazon UK, I wouldn't be able to watch most newer 3D movies as they don't really make those for the US market anymore either (with the rare exception). And yet somehow I have over 210 3D movies here with more coming soon on the way including Maleficent 2 and The Rise of Skywalker in 3D. Somehow, despite living in the USA, I've managed to acquire 17 Auro-3D Blu-Rays in the past 18 months and they all have soundtracks in English so it's not like I'm buying foreign versions of the movies. Only one had a region issue (Inferno in Auro-3D from Australia, but after dumping to my server hard drive and playing it via KODI, it works perfectly fine). Another movie, Flatliners isn't available in Atmos on disc, but it's available in Auro-3D on disc (and Atmos via streaming).
-1200+ (haven't counted them lately, but not counting overlaps between older DVDs, laserdiscs and the newer Blu-Rays and streaming titles)
Since getting a 3D projector in August 2017:
-210 3D movies all on Blu-Ray (and a few concerts and the like)
Since getting an Immersive AVR in August 2018:
-72 Atmos Blu-Rays including UHD ones (probably another 50 or so streaming ones from iTunes, many free upgrades from digital copies from non-Atmos versions)
-40 DTS:X Blu-Ray including UHD ones
-17 Auro-3D Blu-Rays (11 movies, 4 full music albums and both
Demo discs so that's another 24 songs or so). Several of those Auro-3D titles are also in 3D or are now with remuxing.
That's nearly a 4:2:1 ratio. "Hardly any" doesn't seem to apply to DTS:X, IMO unless you have no interest in those titles and more will be coming out soon with Sony moving to DTS:X for many disc based titles.
I've also got 2 movies with DTS:X and Atmos versions and 5 movies with Auro-3D and Atmos versions to do direct comparisons. Both Atmos/X versions sound literally identical on the same number of speakers (clearly made from the same master). The Auro-3D ones are slightly different to somewhat different (usually placement varies a bit for some images), but sound very similar when using the same layout (e.g. 5.1.4).
Other than the rear beds not present in most Auro-3D movies, the notion that one format is "superior" to another is meaningless as most aren't available in more than one format so there's not much to compare at home. If I want Red Tails
in true immersive, Auro-3D is the only option (other than a Neural X upmix) and the same for Death Machine
. What I can say is that the really good DTS:X movies (e.g. Harry Potter series, Crimson Peak, London Has Fallen, etc.) are just as good as the better Atmos titles (Fury, Overlord, Jumanji, Blade Runner 2049, etc.)
I think the real question is whether one is going to get hung up on equipment (ala Audiophiles, some who own six figure stereo setups, yet own only a few dozen albums because the rest aren't good enough to bother to show the system off as they're not really interested in the music, just the sound quality) or you simply want your favorite movies in the best audio quality you can obtain them in and enjoy the immersion. Putting down Auro-3D is pointless to me. I bought several Auro titles to compare and at this point if something new (like with Death Machine
) comes out that is not available in Atmos or X, I'll buy it. If they somehow magically come out of obscurity and start making loads of back titles only in Auro-3D somehow, I'll buy them too if there's no Atmos/X version.
If both Atmos and X are available at some point on the same exact format (i.e. disc, not disc vs streaming where you usually end up with both if you buy the disc anyway in the USA, at least), I'd go with the better reviewed title or which one I could use with as many speakers as possible (i.e. if it's a locked Disney title, the X version would be more sensible for more equipment choices should I ditch the hybrid system and go Trinnov or some other format in the next year or two). What's important is that the movies sound as good as they can on my system, not which format they are. If I had DTS:X Pro and a choice between a Disney title in 7.1.4 DTS:X or 7.1.4 Atmos, I know I'd pick DTS:X Pro as the Atmos one is locked out of the extra speakers even on a Trinnov.
What's nice in DTS:X Pro, though is that the Neural X upmixer can utilize Auro-3D speakers (CH, TS and SH) for home theaters that went with that layout (or just to anchor sounds better overhead for all seats). It's a shame Atmos doesn't update to use all the possible speakers too. Objects shouldn't care where they are rendered in the room. But these companies are more interested in fighting each other and taking the whole pie than trying to get along and that's only bad for consumers, IMO as you end up with people like Dolby attempting to shut down 3rd party upmixers with their soundtracks until the EU stepped in and stopped them cold.