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post #781 of 837 Old 09-24-2016, 09:01 PM - Thread Starter
 
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From Proteus: This is John!

THXMAN - I am very impressed with your upgraded theater! I was at CEDIA last week and had an opportunity to visit the Alcons room and I have to say I was literally blown away by the sound in that room. I have never previously listened to a prolonged demo at that sound level. Before the demo started, someone in the room was scrolling through demo material on screen (after reading this entire thread I am assuming that may have been Peter) and he played about 2 seconds of a Santana clip. I immediately thought that there was no way I would be able to sit through a demo at that sound level and I was ready to flee the room if needed.

Once the demo started, I have to admit it WAS loud! But I did not care, I was glued to the action on screen and I have never felt so "there" in a movie in my life. Being in the helicopter trying to land on that plateau in Everest, or in the tank as they fought the German Tiger....It was friggen AWESOME!!!!

I had what I believed to be a great system when I was in the Woodlands, north of Houston. The room was a bit smaller than I would have liked (11.5'W x 19.5'L x 10'H) with 2 rows of 3 seats, Sony VPL 50 1080P projector, Paradigm Singature speakers (pair of S8's for L/R, C5 cente, the large Signature surrounds on the sides and an old pair for M&K SS150 tripoles for the rears. My processor was an Anthem D2, with Sunfire amps to drive the speakers. The screen was a 16x9 106" diagonal Da-Lite High power. I also have 2 12" Velodyne passive subs with the Velodyne outboard amp.

We have since sold that house and I still have all of my equipment as I installed a nice Denon receiver, and a 5.1 speaker system, and a 12" sub, left the Sony projector, to leave the room operable for the new owners.

I am now in the Georgetown area north of Austin, TX. My new, to us, home has a detached, over sized 3 car garage (in addition to an attached 3 car garage). The detached garage is fully insulated and is configured as a 1 bay the owner used to store a 1970 Plymouth Road Runner he has had since new while the other side was being used as a large woodworking shop. I am planning on breaking up the larger space to build a 16'x24'x10 theater room. I am now desperately trying to figure out how to possibly incorporate a similar Alcons system in the new theater but it may not be possible financially. I know at the start that a Trinov processor is out of my reach as I was originally thinking about the new Anthem AVM 60 configured as a 7.4.4. I also have a Theta CBII that I might be able to upgrade but I do not know where they are with respect to the latest immersive surround formats, also don't know if that would give me discrete digital outputs that could feed the Sentinels, but would think this would cost me close to what I would have to pay for a 16 channel Trinov.

Just not sure if I would be able to create a similar experience using analog inputs to the Alcons/Sentinel, speaker/amp configuration. I certainly have a lot more research to do. I talked with David Rahn after one of my demos at the Omni but we did not get into a lot of specifics as I agreed to call him once things settled down after CEDIA.

Brandon, you indicated that you worked heavily with Peter. I am assuming Peter is a dealer for Alcons? Or does he work directly with Alcons? Also, would it be possible to stop by and get a view/listen to Proteus? I have several brothers that live in the Dallas area and we get up to visit them quite often.

That is about all I have for now. The only thing I know for sure is that I cannot get the sound and feeling of being there in those demo clips out of my head (Must have been louder than I thought!) - it has thoroughly consumed me!

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Brandon THXMAN, Ted and Brad (the ultra super volunteer roadie, and the associate volunteers at setup.).


Tom Walter discussing Moon Loge with Brad.
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From left to right: Arnaud Destinay (Trinnov), Arnaud Laborie (Trinnov), John Stallcup (Cineramax), Pauline Ortiz Y Pino (Alcons Audio), Tom Back (Alcons Audio), Peter Montoulieu (Cineramax), David Rahn (Alcons Audio), Jon-Eivind Lygren (DreamScreen), Walter Fortmüller (Cineramax), Brandon Borkowski (Alcons Ambassador).
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Hi Mike,

CIA is great but unless your scopre height hits floor to ceiling, I am proposing the general wholesale butchering of cinemascope to achieve 2.0 aspect ratio .

Using the excellent oppo 1.2x zoom.

To me and to dolby cinema for example a max immersive experience comes from the height factor once that is satisfied if there is room to go wider then yes.

I understand my position is controversial, though time will tell, normally in 10 year intervals I am always proven right.

This Butcher Of Cinemascope is a badge of honor I will proudly wear till my death, and every few months I go to the content creators and bang them over the head with it, after I comandeered THE FUTURE OF CINEMA CONFERENCE in an intervention The DP of Jungle Book agreed with me, The CTO of Dolby appreciated my input and is opening the door for a green light for me to install a Dolby Cinema, and The co-producer of Star Wars Ben R. admonished 200+ NATO execs at the conference after my diatribes that they needed to exhibit the level of passion I had shown for his movies to be shown on their best light.

You see I do see myself as the custodian of high end home cinema and reinvest every penny to make it better one day at a time, with the new hdr laser cinema projectors you need to fill the height of the room first TO THE MAX then let the sides fall where they may fit. In Hyperion that meant the invention of a Stewart constant image top screen [ do not confuse with a CIW as those have wasted space to masking above -CIT is thin on 3 borders]to maximise the vertical height. Also because of the platform seating being mini-plf the fact that cinemascope is up a bit higher is no bother at all...

But as acompromise ci area is worthy, and is what I have done since 2011 2014. I feel its time for a change.
I agree completely... I love my 16:9 screen with height from almost floor to ceiling... it's like watching a movie from the Imax... total immersion.. especially when it's 3D.. you feel like you're inside the movie without seeing much of the borders... for me, 3D doesn't work if you watch cinemascope because it's like watching an aquarium instead of being inside the movie... I do not understand why Blu Rays are produced in cinemascope anymore... every tv is in 16:9 ratio... why limit that screen space for 99% of all buyers of such blurays???
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Voted best new-built cinema in Europe by the International Cinema Technology Association (ICTA)

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Especially the line arrays sound at low sound pressure levels as good as at high levels, which cannot be claimed by all sound reinforcement systems. With pro-ribbon tweeters you do not have this typical 'horn effect'; the speaker does not 'bellow' at you, but has a very refined and even coverage. But even if it has to be more powerful, Alcons plays very well.
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There was also only positive feedback from the audience and employees, especially regarding improved sound imaging. "The clarity in the reproduction has been noticed by many people, from musicians to technicians to our guests," Finke says.
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I agree in a way. But I've almost done it already. Just go as high as you can and the stretch it as far as you can. For my setup it ends up being really close to 2.35 but for some rooms that aren't as wide as mine then it would be different since they wouldn't be able to go wide enough to make it to the 2.35 mark.

That leads to the next generation that is way way overlooked on this site- ceiling height. The lowest ceiling height should technically be 16' according to the Jedi masters which would really leave enough room to place a very tall screen in the room that would be hard pressed for enough length to get to 2.35.

So we all need to make compromises and height should never be the one unless there's just a massive difference between screen sizes the width of the room allows.

My room is 18' wide and have aprox 8' of height to play with after some framing and seating issues so I went with a 13' wide.

So what should we shoot for as far as content in 4K just to make things easy with masking setups- 2.39:1 and 1.9:1? Those two would seem like the formats for the next 5-10yrs if 4K stays as long as widescreen/1080p etc... cable companies would broadcast in I don't know what but BDs would be one or the other along with streaming correct? 1.9:1 would add quite a bit of vertical imaging over 2.39:1 that's for sure but wouldn't quite be IMAX. IMAX just isn't doable in 95+% of our rooms since we either don't have the headroom for the second or third rows or don't have a super bright PJ to light up an AT screen that massive.

But I'm all for it to those that have headroom or are planning a build. I've been recommending extra extra high ceilings and extra wide walls to everyone I've responded to in new build threads over the past 6mo to a year. Those major inputs weren't being thrown around back 5-6 years ago when I built my room or it would have been super tall and overly wide since it was a from ground up build with zero restrictions.

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yeah i discovered that need in 2013 with 3d and early 4k i figured...
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yeah i discovered that need in 2013 with 3d and early 4k i figured...
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Cool the Big Dig....

To all whinny (not enough BASEMENT height complainin-you would think your architect holds stock in cinemascope corp.) little bitches, Gangsta "C" lays down this rule:

And this is my last post unitl i finish implementing a mindblowing paradigm change in CINERAMAX BIM workflow. An upgrade on steroids thanks to the genius behind the precision alignemnt of acoustical lensing with extreme trigonometric exactitude respecting the single seat center of room MLP whilst also covering all seats around it, not being 7.1 but a minimum of 24 most likely ending in 32, a very tall order requiring new individual speaker lens coverage schedules (in the future).; something that has me SLAMMED trying to get right in LOGE, so he can start the construction. it is bold new territory and the new genesis pages of the ever developing maximum immersion bible whose pages are yet to be written.

But I will get back to your multiple inquiries, around xmas. DO IGNORE this speaker array shown below with equidistant speaker grid, flush that. Do not prewire in fact any loudspeaker array layouts just yet, till the next Gangsta C major disruption of all generally accepted 3d audio speaker topographies goes down, cause they simply don't work as good as my next brainstorm to be shared here in 2017.

So go to the poorest part of town and in the parking of Home Depot you shall find many central american undocumented workers.

Talk to your structural engineer, buy a dozen picks, 3 jackhammers, and 15 shovels....

Roll EXACTLY AS GANGSTA "C"would roll in yous sorry ass bitches shoes:


SEE BEFORE: my ceiling is too damned low says whiny ass bitch in hopeless resignation; grow some wimp-says da mini-plf Pimp!



and AFTER the undocumented worker bitchin' dig: And you can feed them from taco bell so they take no lunch breaks.



You have nothing to fear but fear itself!!! Do it PROPPA like rich nigga deserves. Word. But git, lest Trumps army of Immigration expulsions goes loose sooner that you can Say Jack Robinson.


Peace out.
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Damn Peter. I didn't mean to cause all that and believe me if they were hanging around in this weather I might attempt it but around here they get jobs at the yearly new opened authentic Mexican restaurant that shuts down come farming time. And my foundation isn't deep enough to get more than a foot or a tad bit more in the front screen area. The back area has all my drainage to the septic tied into my fish tank room so no go but on half the room even though that would still help by switching the room 180*. The riser would need to be totally gutted, destroyed, and rebuilt obviously along with carpeting.

I've never attempted a job like this with my limited concrete pad construction so don't really know how much it would cost and how to handle the structural elements envolved that would need to be sorted out since the pad itself is directly related to the sheer, and other forces when considering exterior walls. My room is surrounded by four exterior foundation walls in a sense because one of them is the garage wall so the forces would be rather similar to those of an exterior wall. The pad being removed would eliminate the forces that hold the foundation up instead. In other words the foundation and walls would be prone to collapsing in onto themselves I would think. I'm no structural engineer but am an archetectural grad with a background in some structural classes. With that said I'd be interested in just what all would be envolved to do something like this to a room with three exterior walls. How to get a perfect cut up to the foundation blocks without tearing them up would be pretty interesting too. A few inches away is one thing but cutting the pad flush as not to waste anymore space is another.

This reminds me of Moggie's build which was very very cool from a construction standpoint and if he could get a company to do that then I know it's possible to simply go down a foot or so from a pad. It's just the little things that make me think it would be a much larger job than it appears and might could be just as easy to build new or go up if possible. Any space with attic above it should be able to be heightened in the most central areas of the room a lot easier than digging down. One could just rise the joist up in a trough type fashion so that there is still a tray around the perimeter of the room which isn't uncommon anyway. But it's also limited to single story rooms.

Interestesting none the less and would be curious to do a construction cost estimate on such a job. I came within 1% on my $135,000 theater addition with my estimate but I know standard construction so was rather easy. If someone knowledgeable could give me some figures and structural methods needed to be put in place to dig down for exterior rooms then I could do a rather correct cost analysis in just a few hours. A room without exterior walls and no electrical or plumbing accossiated with the dig could be done rather easily as far as cost since there won't be many load bearing issues envolved most likely that's not easily handled.

I would be interested in doing the dig down on my room but have thought about it for a while and believe just raising the joists in the center most sections would be just fine and only take a couple good framers a day to lift it up.
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Cool Murat, Walter, and I are famous again!

Press release on HYPERION for ISE!
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Thanks for providing the release, as I only saw the showcase on the Alcons website linked above. TIP Alcons could sent it the ISE organisers to be listed there. We all look there, especially since many smaller vendors do not distribute their announcements via the established channels.

A wonderful project one should be proud to show off, congratulations, Peter, Walter, Alcons and of course most of all Murat, on this nicely showcased top rate Home Theater.

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Yes Donald is accidentally responsible for finding alcons and I insulted him for not finding quested and i do apologize.

Latest from ISE:

Dear relation,

From Tuesday February 7 to Friday February 10, Alcons Audio will be present at the Integrated Systems Europe show in Amsterdam.

As our annual “Home Turf game”, Alcons will be present on a number of different locations throughout the show: As official “ISE Technology Partner”, Alcons provides sound systems to reinforce the seminar presentations in the Residential Solutions theatre in Hall 5 and the Audio Solutions theatre in Hall 7.

However, the best opportunity to hear what the Alcons “pro-ribbon fuzz” is all about, is visiting the “Alcons Pro-Ribbon Immersive Experience”; In a joint-collaboration with different suppliers (Barco, Trinnov, Astro, DreamScreen and All Areas), Alcons constructs a unique acoustically-optimized listening room on her stand 6H148 (hall 6), where an immersive pro-ribbon surround system can be experienced.

Special this year, is that we demonstrate immersive solutions for Residential home-theatre (Dolby Atmos, DTS-X and Auro-3D). but also for the Live-production market, with Astro Spatial Audio (www.astroaudio.eu).
Every hour, on-the-hour, there will be presentations;
Residential daily on the "even" hours : 10:00, 12:00, 14:00, 16:00h
Astro Spatial Audio daily on the "un-even" hours : 11:00, 13:00, 15:00, 17:00h

Of course, we will have a selection of systems on the stand, among which our RR12 point-source array, the QR24 column array and also the LR18 compact mid-size line-array, which has seen tremendous sales over the past couple of months.

For a meeting on the stand, we kindly ask you to make an appointment (if you haven't done already); As we expect a very busy show, also including our demo room presentations..

As for registration for the show; On below link, you can register for free, using the code : 707760
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We look forward meeting you in Amsterdam!

With best regards,
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so sad i cannot participate this year.

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The Pro-Ribbon Immersive Experience Returns To ISE 2017


Visit us on booth 6-H148

ISE 2017 sees Alcons Audio returns to its 'home show' both as a an official ISE Technology Partner and with an expanded Alcons Pro-Ribbon Immersive Experience.

Taking place in an acoustically-optimised demo room on Alcons stand 6H148 in Hall 6, the company will be demonstrating the latest immersive surround systems for both the residential/home theatre and live-production/installation markets.

The Alcons Pro-Ribbon Immersive Experience is a joint collaboration with Astro Spatial Audio, Barco Residential, DreamScreen and Trinnov.


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Alcons Audio pro-ribbon technology




CRMS

The CRMS mkII (Cinema Reference Monitor system) offers the most natural 1:1 Digital Cinema and HD audio sound reproduction possible in critical listening environments such as post-production studios, screening-rooms, high-end residential home-cinemas.

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CB151sl

The CB151sl shallow subwoofer system delivers tight and accurate 1:1 bass and sub response, with a lowest usable frequency of 19Hz. The 27,5cm/11-in. deep system features a custom 4-ohms 15" and SIS™ pre-wiring for dynamic cable compensation.

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CRMSC-SR

The CRMSC-SR reference pro-ribbon surround. The RBN202 pro-ribbon driver, the 6.5" special-suspension woofer and SIS™ cable compensation deliver the most dynamic, undistorted and crystal-clear surround sound experience possible.


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Sentinel

The Sentinel amplified loudspeaker controllers are the drive engines behind the Alcons pro-ribbon sound systems. The proprietary-developed amplified processors offer 4-in/4-out, 192kHz AES3 digital inputs, full-color touch-screen and encoder control and up to 10kW. true audiophile-grade amp.stages.

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The Alcons Pro-Ribbon Immersive Experience

The "Alcons Pro-Ribbon Immersive Experience"

To understand what the Alcons "pro-ribbon fuzz" is all about, Alcons hosts hourly presentations on immersive surround for Residential installations and Live-Production applications, in a unique acoustically-optimized listening room.

The audio system will be a hybrid 9.X.8 immersive surround configuration, comprising 20+ Alcons pro-ribbon loudspeakers, driven by 24 channels of Sentinel amplified loudspeaker controllers with "lossless" AES3 digital signal distribution. This set-up is designed to reproduce native and upmixed Dolby Atmos, Auro-3D and DTS:X content, as well as Astro 3D Spatial Audio material.

Alcons pro-ribbon sound systems are in use at Walt Disney, NBC Universal, Lucasfilm, Google/YouTube, Levels Audio Hollywood, Hamilton the Musical, Elbphilharmonie Hamburg a.o. and a fast growing number of reference home theatres around the world.



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And Rave has Tom on the CRMS In Wall:

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Visit us at booth 2022A and Pompeian Ballroom1
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Alcons Audio and Sony team up for CinemaCon 2017

Alcons Audio, leader in high-output pro-ribbon cinema sound systems for premium cinemas, screening-rooms and post-production studios will return to CinemaCon 2017. At booth 2022A, systems on display include the CR3 medium-format pro-ribbon screen system, the CB181 10" shallow subwoofer and a selection of pro-ribbon reference surround systems.


For the first time at CinemaCon, Alcons will be holding live demonstrations in the Pompeian Ballroom 1, Promenade Level, where an Alcons CRMS system will deliver audio solutions in 5.1/7.1 format for Sony's next-generation prototype of 4K RGB laser projection system.


These are the same cr3 that were used in our CEDIA DEMO. The SONY picture will look better than ever with this sultry sound system.
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Hoping to hear some news on new Sentinels any time soon.

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CEDIA maybe. Be patient.
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Awesome Audio demo by Alcons partnered with Astro (3D rendering) at Infocomm. Alan and I drove up and joined Peter there. The 3D rendering was outstanding as was the natural open sound of the Alcons: http://www.alconsaudio.com/alcons-as...infocomm-2017/
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I have been reading about Alcon speakers for years and thought it was about time I see and hear what is driving the hype. I had the pleasure of attending Infocomm 2017 with Lasalle, Peter was already on site we had a nice reunion and toured several highlights of the show one of which was the Alcon demo.
I have to say after being in the business for many years you get to experiance almost everything and not all stands up to the raving but with the Alcons that is not the case, I have to say for the first time I was so impressed with what I heard I now understand the hype and agree with Peter and Lasalles endorsement.
It was a pleasure meeting Tom Back, Tom youve done so many things right with your design, I was truly impressed, can I say blown away!!
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Awesome Audio demo by Alcons partnered with Astro (3D rendering) at Infocomm. Alan and I drove up and joined Peter there. The 3D rendering was outstanding as was the natural open sound of the Alcons: http://www.alconsaudio.com/alcons-as...infocomm-2017/

A little more info: The setup looked to be a 13.2.4 Atmos configuration. Unfortunately their Datasat was held in customs so the first part of the demo was 2 channel only. Tom choose the Wides (CRS-8 crossed over to their 15" non-cinema subs) for stereo playback. The wides were 25+ feet apart, I assume Tom choose them to show off the wide dispersion, the imaging was rock solid between them even when you moved around the listening area. Since the amps were being feed from a laptop their was no room correlation, the sub integration was a little loose in the <60Hz range, above 100Hz was magic.

The Astro clearly had its own room correlation as the bass integration was seamless and the overall tonal balance improved. With all the speakers engaged the immersive sound was outstanding. The demo included real-time 3D mixing/playback from a variety of sound tracks. They could expand or contract the apparent room size at will while moving various sound track objects through the 3D space. Very impressive, the accuracy of the Alcons was very evident.
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I have to say after being in the business for many years you get to experiance almost everything and not all stands up to the raving but with the Alcons that is not the case, I have to say for the first time I was so impressed with what I heard I now understand the hype and agree with Peter and Lasalles endorsement.
I could not agree more and I am very satisfied with my Alcons purchase. I am so very thankful to Peter and Lasalle for bringing them to my attention.
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