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Is there a list of supported resolutions ? Its not on the web site.
Here they are:

"VGA, SVGA, XGA, WXGA(1280x768), Quad-VGA, SXGA, 720x480/60p, 720x576/50p, 1280x720/50p, 1280x720/60p,
1920x1080/50i,1920x1080/60i, 1920x1080/24p, 1920x1080/50p, 1920x1080/60p, 3840x2160/24p, 3840x2160/25p,
3840x2160/30p, 3840x2160/50p, 3840x2160/60p, 4096x2160/24p, 4096x2160/25p, 4096x2160/30p, 4096x2160/50p, 4096x2160/60p"

And here's the source for that: http://www.sonypremiumhome.com/pdfs/...VW5000ES_4.pdf

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Here they are:

"VGA, SVGA, XGA, WXGA(1280x768), Quad-VGA, SXGA, 720x480/60p, 720x576/50p, 1280x720/50p, 1280x720/60p,
1920x1080/50i,1920x1080/60i, 1920x1080/24p, 1920x1080/50p, 1920x1080/60p, 3840x2160/24p, 3840x2160/25p,
3840x2160/30p, 3840x2160/50p, 3840x2160/60p, 4096x2160/24p, 4096x2160/25p, 4096x2160/30p, 4096x2160/50p, 4096x2160/60p"

And here's the source for that: http://www.sonypremiumhome.com/pdfs/...VW5000ES_4.pdf
And native DVD is 480I..30 Not 60 P right ? So the projector only does 480P60. So I believe you have confirmed the 5000 does not play DVDs in native format ? The player would need to at lest do a I to P conversion. Go figure.

This does explain the error.

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I understand the technical angst .. but why would you want to watch a 480 res material in a 60k projector . No matter what upscales that content to project on Sony 5000, it eventually wouldn't matter
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I understand the technical angst .. but why would you want to watch a 480 res material in a 60k projector . No matter what upscales that content to project on Sony 5000, it eventually wouldn't matter

A client dropped a DVD into a Oppo 205. Its a movie that has not made it onto bluray. It would not play. He asked why.


There is a interesting delimmena. With the right settngs the 5000 does a killer job of scaling. So a Oppo 205 set to output source direct produces a killer pic for HD or 4K. However source direct means the player will output 480I30 for DVD. If you place the Oppo in "auto" then it scales things in the Oppo and thats not as good as the projector scaling.


So this means if you want to watch a DVD in a Oppo 205 + 5000 you must fiddle with Oppo menus, put it in auto. This change on the oppo for some reason causes the 5000 to get into a weird mode and wont display anything again until you power cycle the projector. Then the Oppo will upscale the DVD and all is well. BUT its best to put the Oppo back on source direct when finished doing DVD.


Its annoying. There is still a lot of DVD content. Sony should have included that format, its got almost every other format known to man. They just missed one thats fairly important.

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I understand the technical angst .. but why would you want to watch a 480 res material in a 60k projector . No matter what upscales that content to project on Sony 5000, it eventually wouldn't matter
Watching DVD's hurts my eyes. I'm down to only one DVD - " Team America - World Police " - and only because the unrated version is not on Blu-ray !
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I understand the technical angst .. but why would you want to watch a 480 res material in a 60k projector . No matter what upscales that content to project on Sony 5000, it eventually wouldn't matter

Thousand of films on DVD have not seen Blu Ray and may never. It is true if your only reason to watch a movie is how it looks and sounds then I understand but if it is to enjoy a great form of entertainment that may or may not look that great or looks good then you will still want some DVDs.


As some come to BD I replace them.


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I understand the technical angst .. but why would you want to watch a 480 res material in a 60k projector . No matter what upscales that content to project on Sony 5000, it eventually wouldn't matter

Thousand of films on DVD have not seen Blu Ray and may never. It is true if your only reason to watch a movie is how it looks and sounds then I understand but if it is to enjoy a great form of entertainment that may or may not look that great or looks good then you will still want some DVDs.


As some come to BD I replace them.


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If one doesn't care how the picture looks , why would one buy a 60k projector . I understand the entertainment part . I think there is a happy medium otherwise you should be able to appreciate the art and artist's work on $2k projector as well . His acting and emotions won't be any different on a 60k projector
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If one doesn't care how the picture looks , why would one buy a 60k projector . I understand the entertainment part . I think there is a happy medium otherwise you should be able to appreciate the art and artist's work on $2k projector as well . His acting and emotions won't be any different on a 60k projector


Think you are mis-understanding Art’s POV. Art cares more about picture quality more than most. That’s why his theater has been a reference that others on AVS compare their home theaters against. That’s also why he is in testing phase for a 5000ES stack to light up his new 16’ wide screen.

But Art doesn’t use his theater “ONLY” to watch 4K movies or demo loops all day long. He has a massive movie collection. Hundreds of which have never seen an HD version and probably never will.

So while watching DVDs could possibly be just as good on a $2k projector, when he watches a current release BD or UHD BD on his 5000ES, he has one of the best images available. Something those using a $2k projector won’t have.




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DVD can look way better then you might think, but, it requires a real dedication. You need a DVD player from back in the day with a illegally modified SDI output. Then you need 2 Teranex. One running upconversion and one running starfilm. Then you take the HD-SDI and feed that to the 5000.


That is the best way to watch those DVDs you cant get in other formats.


I have something even more insane myself. I love laser disc. Its coolness factor is just fun. You call THAT a disc ? That little BluRay thing ?? Nooo THIS is a disc ( pulling out a laser disc ). To do Laser disc right you gotta be crazy. LOTS of mods to the player and then a stack of gear. This stack could plug right into the 5000. Laser disc done this way looks almost HD with the right disc.


Doing any of the above tho requires serious audio delay settings as the video gets really delayed with the processing.

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I still watch the occasional DVD, but find keeping the reflectance level down to under 12fL (I tend to watch at around 9) makes them more watchable. A good transfer can look reasonably acceptable, just (obviously) softer than BD/UHD and I sit at 2x the screen height from my scope screen using an ISCO lens and a Panasonic UB700. my pj is a laser Epson so is probably not as revealing as the Sony, but I was surprised how good some DVDs still looked. I had Liam Neesons Non Stop laying around and thought I'd see what it was like, and ended up watching it all the way through without any real issues. Woody Allan (DVD) movies on the other hand, not so much, but the humour remains the same. Apparently the worst orgasm he ever had was right on the money...

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Think you are mis-understanding Art’s POV. Art cares more about picture quality more than most. That’s why his theater has been a reference that others on AVS compare their home theaters against. That’s also why he is in testing phase for a 5000ES stack to light up his new 16’ wide screen.

But Art doesn’t use his theater “ONLY” to watch 4K movies or demo loops all day long. He has a massive movie collection. Hundreds of which have never seen an HD version and probably never will.

So while watching DVDs could possibly be just as good on a $2k projector, when he watches a current release BD or UHD BD on his 5000ES, he has one of the best images available. Something those using a $2k projector won’t have.




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Thanks for this and spot on. I have many ways to enjoy my theater. No doubt seeing great films that look and sound great as well would be at the top. The list of these is relatively short unfortunately.


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Think you are mis-understanding Art?s POV. Art cares more about picture quality more than most. That?s why his theater has been a reference that others on AVS compare their home theaters against. That?s also why he is in testing phase for a 5000ES stack to light up his new 16? wide screen.

But Art doesn?t use his theater ?ONLY? to watch 4K movies or demo loops all day long. He has a massive movie collection. Hundreds of which have never seen an HD version and probably never will.

So while watching DVDs could possibly be just as good on a $2k projector, when he watches a current release BD or UHD BD on his 5000ES, he has one of the best images available. Something those using a $2k projector won?t have.




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Thanks for this and spot on. I have many ways to enjoy my theater. No doubt seeing great films that look and sound great as well would be at the top. The list of these is relatively short unfortunately.


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I agree .. eventually it boils down to what one enjoys watching
I may double stack 5000 next year when price falls some more to better enjoy 3D and HDR
Will wait for some reports regarding convergence
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Im seeing a color balance shift over time with the projector. Its shifting towards red. Also I believe ive lost lumens.

How does aging work in a laser projector ? What should I expect ?

Also. Can you replace the laser once it ages ?
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Im reading that RGB laser systems for use with DLP have lifetimes of 20,000-30,000 hours. They have a drop of 20-30% in brightness over that period. The SOny is different then a RGB laser and a DLP. So im not sure how well this defines things for the 5000. Also I cant seem to find much on what happens as it ages, does it loose blue first ?

Also. I cant find a thing on what happens when you reach that 20-30k hours. Like even in cinema devices I dont see any procedure or even mention of replacement of the laser assembly.

One of my clients has one of the first ones made. Its had moderate to low use..

So im just checking if anyone has links or knows what to expect as these projectors age. Do they need periodic grey scale adjustment every so many hours ?

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I may double stack 5000 next year when price falls some more to better enjoy 3D and HDR
Will wait for some reports regarding convergence
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Is the 5000ES a bad choice for a relatively small screen (120" diagonal 16:9) and a short throw distance (around 13-14')? Would this result in an image that is too bright or can you decrease the brightness enough for this situation?
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Is the 5000ES a bad choice for a relatively small screen (120" diagonal 16:9) and a short throw distance (around 13-14')? Would this result in an image that is too bright or can you decrease the brightness enough for this situation?
It's a great choice for the screen particularly for HDR performance and the headroom it would provide, if the price is right.

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Is the 5000ES a bad choice for a relatively small screen (120" diagonal 16:9) and a short throw distance (around 13-14')? Would this result in an image that is too bright or can you decrease the brightness enough for this situation?
Would be juuuuuuuust fine. In fact, when I did Sony product training on the 5000ES at hotel, they were using a smaller portable screen (couldn't have been bigger than 100" if that), and a throw similar to what you're talking about. Looked dropdead gorgeous of course.
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On a 135" diagonal 16:9 1.0 gain screen my SDR laser power is set to 2 for 16 fL. HDR is at 80. Loving it.
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I am thinking of buying a Sony 5000.. Should I proceed or wait till Cedia?
Anything new from Sony expected? Perhaps a new laser engine, like an RGB?
I would prefer to not debate the merits or demerits of JVC/Barco/DLP etc; they might be great but I am interested in buying only a Sony LCOS product. My screen is 150" wide Steward micro perf 1.3.
My current projector is Wolf Cinema DCX 1000i.
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PS: I think I am answering my own question - I think I should wait till Cedia, unless my wolf conks out before that. If I find one used before that, I would consider it. Or, I would wait till Cedia. The 5000 is already 2 years old and that is very long, in tech.
I have had my Sony 5000 ES for over a couple of years and it is spectacular. I recently had Robert Busch calibrate it and it is jaw dropping. I project onto a Screen Excellence 15’ wide 2.4:1. Simply spectacular.
I personally want to see the Barco Lodi with the native 2.4:1 panel with 5k revolution and 6500 lumens. That is the only projector that perks my interest. It would be brighter and full use of panel. Short of that, I can’t imagine a better picture.
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Just finished watching Black Panther 3D, the IMAX sequences (1.85:1 AR) are epic. I simply can't imagine getting this much out of the 2D 4K format.
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I have had my Sony 5000 ES for over a couple of years and it is spectacular. I recently had Robert Busch calibrate it and it is jaw dropping. I project onto a Screen Excellence 15’ wide 2.4:1. Simply spectacular.
I personally want to see the Barco Lodi with the native 2.4:1 panel with 5k revolution and 6500 lumens. That is the only projector that perks my interest. It would be brighter and full use of panel. Short of that, I can’t imagine a better picture.
Now THAT's a big screen. My 16:9 screen is 10 foot wide and I love it but would easily go bigger if I had more space, and I would go Scope if I had more width than ceiling height available in my theater room. I never understood why so many people out there have Scope screens then sit so far away from them or don't have them fill their peripheral vision. Go big or go home I say (or go out to the cinema and leave home!)
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Now THAT's a big screen. My 16:9 screen is 10 foot wide and I love it but would easily go bigger if I had more space, and I would go Scope if I had more width than ceiling height available in my theater room. I never understood why so many people out there have Scope screens then sit so far away from them or don't have them fill their peripheral vision. Go big or go home I say (or go out to the cinema and leave home!)
Seating distance is key, more so than physical size. Even with a 10ft wide scope screen, if you have the first row at say 2 x to 2.4 times the screen height (or whatever your preference is), you will get a visually immersive experience, so you don't need a wider room. However, scale can make a difference on how you feel about your physical screen size, so that probably won't appeal to you. Like you say, why have a big screen and sit so far back from it.

If scale doesn't bother you, you could run a 10ft wide CIH + IMAX set up - semi permanently mask your 16:9 screen to 2.40 to run it CIH and move your seating closer so that the screen height to seating distance is the same as you have now for your 16:9 screen, so that way, visually 16:9 looks the same size on your retina as it does now, but scope movies are the same height but wider and more immersive as designed and intended. Now, when you watch an aspect changing movie, remove the top and bottom masking and you will see the height changes for those few scenes that have it and will be closer to the IMAX experience - there should be a difference between IMAX and 16:9 presentations.

Of course, changing to a set up like that not only means moving the seating, but the surround speakers as well.

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I'll be using this PJ on my screen. Im slated for a 14' scope. First row is 10.5', Second row (MLP), 16.5'. Can't wait!

First row is Art S approved!!. I sat in Art's 1st row and though his screen is larger, the ratio of seating to screen width is identical. COuld be my preferred seat for sports and Blockbusters...

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Sounds very immersive!

That's a screen height to seating distance ratio of 1.8:1. Even 1.85 movies should look pretty large from there.
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Jeff,
I don't believe you will be sorry having that front row. One of the main reasons to have a theater is the escape/immersion side of it. I actually sat in my front row and looked at what I could see easily in my peripheral vision when looking straight ahead and then used that as the scope aspect width.
This does result in my turning my head at times to see action at the edges but this is not frequent.

The older scope films tended to use the edges more where a character on the extreme left might be talking to someone on the extreme right eg. Bad Day At Black Rock but even that isn't fatiguing.

Looking forward to an invite when your room is done !

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I don't believe you will be sorry having that front row. One of the main reasons to have a theater is the escape/immersion side of it. I actually sat in my front row and looked at what I could see easily in my peripheral vision when looking straight ahead and then used that as the scope aspect width.
This does result in my turning my head at times to see action at the edges but this is not frequent.

The older scope films tended to use the edges more where a character on the extreme left might be talking to someone on the extreme right eg. Bad Day At Black Rock but even that isn't fatiguing.

Looking forward to an invite when your room is done !

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We are having a family reunion here as we speak. My nephew came from Philadelphia and he told me last night that a guy he knows at work ask him if he knew a guy named Art ? He said he was building a theater room and looked on the internet and had never seen the name Sonneborn any place before .

Anyway, my nephew didn't want to leave or his children they just loved the front row.
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We are having a family reunion here as we speak. My nephew came from Philadelphia and he told me last night that a guy he knows at work ask him if he knew a guy named Art ? He said he was building a theater room and looked on the internet and had never seen the name Sonneborn any place before .

Anyway, my nephew didn't want to leave or his children they just loved the front row.
Your theater could be named "Front Row Cinema"! Except I think there already is a company with that [email protected]@@

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