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Ummm... and? I did, and it shows three titles...

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Ummm... and? I did, and it shows three titles...
My point ,at least on my desktop, it shows 4K HDR but doesn't say UHD for some reason, just asking what is the difference between UHD and 4K HDR and it appears nothing is the answer after watching it this weekend since it surely also has WCG.

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My point ,at least on my desktop, it shows 4K HDR but doesn't say UHD for some reason, just asking what is the difference between UHD and 4K HDR and it appears nothing is the answer after watching it this weekend since it surely also has WCG.

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I never got a clear explanation as to why some are tagged as UHD or HDR as plenty of titles are both despite a single designation.

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I never got a clear explanation as to why some are tagged as UHD or HDR as plenty of titles are both despite a single designation.
Some recent titles have both a UHD an HDR tag and available as separate downloads. I believe UHD titles are not High Dynamic Range. 4k resolution only.
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Some recent titles have both a UHD an HDR tag and available as separate downloads. I believe UHD titles are not High Dynamic Range. 4k resolution only.
But why an HDR tag only? That would still be UHD as a superset...
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But why an HDR tag only? That would still be UHD as a superset...
It appears HDR tags are 4k+HDR and UHD tags are 4K without HDR. it may be a question of optimization. Not sure..

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Ummm... and? I did, and it shows three titles...
My point ,at least on my desktop, it shows 4K HDR but doesn't say UHD for some reason, just asking what is the difference between UHD and 4K HDR and it appears nothing is the answer after watching it this weekend since it surely also has WCG.

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I think true 4K that’s shown in cinemas is 4096 x 2160 pixels ( Sony 5000 is 4096x2160) , while UHD standard is 3840 x 2160 . I don’t know if that’s what K means by their description or not . 4K and UHD is used interchangeably now , so I am not sure if that’s the difference they are pointing to .
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Maybe they should be renamed Kaliarscape...



NBC Universal and 20th Century UHD feature a new audio codec called Dolby Almost.

Were Kaleidescape your source for your claim that those studio titles were about to upgrade. If so time to name and shame


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I won't get any more specific, but yes these are statements from the company beyond a tech support level.
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It appears HDR tags are 4k+HDR and UHD tags are 4K without HDR. it may be a question of optimization. Not sure..
Yeah, K had UHD before they offered 4K HDR. Like we had 4K displays without HDR. Unless they rename, just think of HDR=4K HDR and UHD=4K SDR. That’s what their collections are named. SJ
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Yeah, K had UHD before they offered 4K HDR. Like we had 4K displays without HDR. Unless they rename, just think of HDR=4K HDR and UHD=4K SDR. That’s what their collections are named. SJ
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Then you have titles with both the UHD and HDR tags...
That's where both versions are available on that title
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It appears HDR tags are 4k+HDR and UHD tags are 4K without HDR. it may be a question of optimization. Not sure..
I've always understood it to be this. If you want 4k, but don't want HDR, then the UHD version is what you're looking for. If you want HDR, then the HDR version is the one to download.
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I won't get any more specific, but yes these are statements from the company beyond a tech support level.
Think it's time you got a more reliable contact - this one sounds like they're full of BS.
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I won't get any more specific, but yes these are statements from the company beyond a tech support level.
Think it's time you got a more reliable contact - this one sounds like they're full of BS. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
The bigger issue is why does their software side have significant issues? No Atmos or dts:x for UHD titles from two major studios; no word on MA; no word on missing studios/ titles...

I haven’t purchased a single title in over a month from KScape and I’m approaching the point of selling my system unless I see progress soon on these deficiencies (starting with the codecs - something internally promised but never fulfilled for nearly 5 months)

K charges an astronomically premium price for a far less than premium solution with these aforementioned omissions.

Some don’t care I suppose, but to me I feel a bit shafted

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The bigger issue is why does their software side have significant issues? No Atmos or dts:x for UHD titles from two major studios; no word on MA; no word on missing studios/ titles...

I haven’t purchased a single title in over a month from KScape and I’m approaching the point of selling my system unless I see progress soon on these deficiencies (starting with the codecs - something internally promised but never fulfilled for nearly 5 months)

K charges an astronomically premium price for a far less than premium solution with these aforementioned omissions.

Some don’t care I suppose, but to me I feel a bit shafted
Agree - If you are being told the whole story and not just being fed a line. Can't see how it can be a "significant software issue" as we are getting immersive audio from other studios almost without issue. Would be nice to get a definitive statement addressing the problem of immersive codecs and why it is taking so long for these 2 studios to comply - other than the "we can only provide what the studios give us" line.

MA, I'm quite meh about - don't watch anything elsewhere, a nice option, but not high on my wish list.

I, like you haven't purchased much lately either - predominantly due to a new theatre build, but prior to that I refused to purchase titles from the studios who don't provide the immersive codecs.

It is and has been frustrating for sometime. Sadly I feel too invested in K to take the step of selling out now
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I was just wondering, a while back you seemed dead set against Kaleidescape even to the extent of saying that there were deal breakers in the system for you. Almost immediately after expressing your concerns you purchased a Strato. I actually was very surprised at the time that you moved foward after expressing your position then regarding lack of immersive audio for many titles for example. Unfortunately, it looks like the same deficiencies that the company has are still present.

What changed your mind at that time ?


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I was just wondering, a while back you seemed dead set against Kaleidescape even to the extent of saying that there were deal breakers in the system for you. Almost immediately after expressing your concerns you purchased a Strato. I actually was very surprised at the time that you moved foward after expressing your position then regarding lack of immersive audio for many titles for example. Unfortunately, it looks like the same deficiencies that the company has are still present.

What changed your mind at that time ?


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The “ironclad” assurances. Appears I was taught a lesson...

The concept is wonderful but without the depth and breadth of software to match, it is very incomplete to me

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The “ironclad” assurances. Appears I was taught a lesson...

The concept is wonderful but without the depth and breadth of software to match, it is very incomplete to me
I don't know but maybe its my new set up but I hardly notice the difference between discrete (Atmos / DTS-X) and upmixed recordings. All are good.
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The “ironclad” assurances. Appears I was taught a lesson...

The concept is wonderful but without the depth and breadth of software to match, it is very incomplete to me
I don't know but maybe its my new set up but I hardly notice the difference between discrete (Atmos / DTS-X) and upmixed recordings. All are good.
Upmixing is nice but no substitute for the actual object oriented mix - much better envelopment and precision
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I don’t have any insider but I think if there will be any announcement I think it will be in CEDIA or around these days hope as @thrang hope that FOX and Universal update there audio codices and let see what cedia will bring in 2019 for K


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Agree - If you are being told the whole story and not just being fed a line. Can't see how it can be a "significant software issue" as we are getting immersive audio from other studios almost without issue. Would be nice to get a definitive statement addressing the problem of immersive codecs and why it is taking so long for these 2 studios to comply - other than the "we can only provide what the studios give us" line.

MA, I'm quite meh about - don't watch anything elsewhere, a nice option, but not high on my wish list.

I, like you haven't purchased much lately either - predominantly due to a new theatre build, but prior to that I refused to purchase titles from the studios who don't provide the immersive codecs.

It is and has been frustrating for sometime. Sadly I feel too invested in K to take the step of selling out now
From what I understand, K only has to work with what the Studios provide them, so I would imagine any blame falls on the studios inability to provide what's needed.

I do think MA, now that UV is gone, is a big issue. It's hard convincing someone who's already got a significant MA library, that if they upgrade to a K system, that they'll have to re-purchase titles, or at the least hope for an eventual partnership.
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There’s no software issue. The issue is K working with the studios to get missing formats and enlist content from missing studios. As well as getting into MA.

I firmly believe that K as a company wants all this stuff ASAP and are trying to get it, but they need to figure out how to get timely results and make immediate traction.

A lot of people here and at the owners forum excuse K cause it’s the “studios” fault, but IMO no. The studios may be the problem sure, but the buck stops with K to get the deals done. If the deals are not getting done, the fault lies on the CEO and their business partner directors to get it done.

I’ve bought one piece of content (just this week) from the K store in the last several months. I’m trying to not buy Endgame. I’ve returned to a DiY solution for the most part with a small NAS, cloud storage, ripping, and a jail broken Oppo. Damn, I’d love K to just fix all the issues... I’d negate that custom setup again in a heartbeat.

I’m content though to wait until CEDIA. K always has news leading up to CEDIA. Usually multiple pieces of news. In this case though it better be announcements and go live, not announce and then go live “soon” or “next year”. And they absolutely must tick all 3 boxes: MA, formats, and new studio content (MGM, Criterion, HBO, and more).


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I’m also crossing my fingers that some actions around MA (and not just K) were predicted in UV formally dying. That happens today. So I’m really eager to see things happening around MA soon. Like perhaps Paramount and Lionsgate getting in.


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I have the same issue with K not supporting immersive codecs for Fox and universal and no MA. While it’s always blamed on the studios, even if correct, they should be fixed soon. I was using NAS and DIY earlier, but K is a different experience that DIY simply does not match. The radio silence policy is also not helping.

Hopefully K will clear out these issues and get into MA soon.
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I don't know but maybe its my new set up but I hardly notice the difference between discrete (Atmos / DTS-X) and upmixed recordings. All are good.
I agree. The integrated experience outweighs the differences for me. But many folks likely have better setups and hearing. My latest upgrade is that my control system now understands if the movie playing from my Strato is 4K HDR, SDR, etc. and automatically changes my projector to the correct picture mode (and any other system changes) as the Strato sends out video events when things change. Not sure there are other sources which do this..... SJ
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I agree. The integrated experience outweighs the differences for me. But many folks likely have better setups and hearing. My latest upgrade is that my control system now understands if the movie playing from my Strato is 4K HDR, SDR, etc. and automatically changes my projector to the correct picture mode (and any other system changes) as the Strato sends out video events when things change. Not sure there are other sources which do this..... SJ
Obviously, to each his own. But it is mystifying to me to invest so much into our theaters only to have less than stellar content.Integrated experience is great, but that is not the purpose of the theater. Upmixed True HD is simply not the same as native Atmos or DTS:X. Why settle or accept such deficiencies in their offering, when the KScape system purports and promotes itself to be the very best (and certainly carries the sticker price for that self-applied designation).

From blu-ray.com review of Alita 4k UHD...


"I mentioned in our Alita: Battle Angel Blu-ray review how those who buy that version may be disappointed by the lack of a Dolby Atmos track, especially since Atmos gets a closing credit nod in the film, but that absence is remedied by the blisteringly effective Atmos track on this 4K UHD disc. I scored the DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 track a solid 5.0 on the 1080p Blu-ray release, but if I could I'd give this Atmos track a "6.0", as it is regularly impressive, offering all of the great immersion of the surround track on the "traditional" Blu-ray, while also promoting a nice new gamut of vertical information that is audible from the first scenes of trash being dumped from Zalem. Both fight scenes and perhaps especially the Motorball sequences benefit from the Atmos rendering, with fantastically exciting effects ping ponging through the soundstage and with clear wafting sounds that can often pan quite impressively. Fidelity is absolutely top notch throughout this rendering, and as with the 7.1 track, dynamic range is extremely wide."


And to put a more salt in the wound, K-Scape only offers a 5.1 audio soundtrack for the UHD of Alita, not even 7.1, much less not Atmos.... I mean come on...



Maybe they are in a bit of financial trouble again. I hope not, but the lack of progress on this and other fronts seems perhaps more likely to be contractual/financial than technical.
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In my case it goes beyond our dedicated theater. We have a second K zone in our family room which frankly gets even more use out of the overall system. Play any movie we own without finding it, etc. like you said to each his own! What I really want is MA. I think the audio will improve. Hopefully soon so we can talk about something else....
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In my case it goes beyond our dedicated theater. We have a second K zone in our family room which frankly gets even more use out of the overall system. Play any movie we own without finding it, etc. like you said to each his own! What I really want is MA. I think the audio will improve. Hopefully soon so we can talk about something else....
But why not use multiple Apple TVs, which offers excellent quality and even more flexibility (for fractional pennies compared to K) if its more about convenience and multi-room and less about quality? The library is vast, and it's not that far off the K-Scape quality to be honest. And watch on your computers, iPad, iPhone, etc...

And agreed MA is also a large missing piece, as is expanded studio content...
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Our family room setup is a full Atmos with decent equipment. The audio difference alone is easily heard as we also have ATV. To each his own....
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