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5. Upgrade offers are available for 4k with WarnerBros, Lionsgate, Select Paramount, Universal. HD digital offers same but also fox.
Sony too. Although in my limited experience, it appeared Sony had $5.99 BD to HD pricing, but not cheaper BD to 4k pricing. I tried Spider-Man: Far From Home and the D2D price from BD to 4k was $18.99, which was the existing store price. I was hoping for $11.99. Can someone confirm about Sony movies and D2D pricing, please?

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Sony too. Although in my limited experience, it appeared Sony had $5.99 BD to HD pricing, but not cheaper BD to 4k pricing. I tried Spider-Man: Far From Home and the D2D price from BD to 4k was $18.99, which was the existing store price. I was hoping for $11.99. Can someone confirm about Sony movies and D2D pricing, please?
I took a quick look for titles I own....

Own bluray quality or disc, 11.99 to upgrade to 4K, Blu-ray Disc to bluray quality, 5.99. DVD disc to bluray quality, 8.99

There might be differences for newer titles....
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I took a quick look for titles I own....

Own bluray quality or disc, 11.99 to upgrade to 4K, Blu-ray Disc to bluray quality, 5.99. DVD disc to bluray quality, 8.99

There might be differences for newer titles....
Good, thanks! Spider-Man must have been an outlier then.

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I took a quick look for titles I own....



Own bluray quality or disc, 11.99 to upgrade to 4K, Blu-ray Disc to bluray quality, 5.99. DVD disc to bluray quality, 8.99



There might be differences for newer titles....


Sony must have some sort of timeframe for offering 4K upgrades or has stopped offering them on new titles.

I upgraded a bunch of Sony older movies to 4K for $11.99, but newer titles are like A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood will do Disc to HD digital for $5.99 but they are still $19.99 and $24.99 for disc to 4K.




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I have a Terra Server 40 TB upstairs in my home office. I had/will have once my theater upgrade/renovation is done my Strato C in my home theater. I also have a Lumagen Radiance Pro and Sony 5000 projector. I am thinking about getting a DV700 disc value, like Ash, and an Alto 4TB blu ray player. This will allow me to rip my existing blu rays (not 4k) to KScape and if 4k upgrade available the offer and price will appear, right? And this will allow me to play any of my disc blu rays (not 4k discs) via KScape without having to buy them from KStore; and if disc is not in KStore, then leave disc in the DV700 disc vault and I can play disc via KScape and disc will appear in KScape menu with other discs, right? I like the idea especially I have a lot of blu ray concert discs and would love to have all of them available online via KScape menu whether obtained for "free" (if I already own disc) from KScape store or whether I store disc in DV700 and have it available in KScape menu.



Aside from the CoStar switch, is a separate software upgrade necessary from Lumagen and if so, msrp?



I understand that both the Alto 4 TB and Strato C will connect via HDMI cables into the CoStar switch, and the CoStar HDMI out will connect to the Radiance Pro. All would be located in the back cabinets hidden of my theater as being renovated.



However, as I have the Terra Server 40 TB in my home office away from my home theater (hard ethernet linked into theater), do I understand correctly that the DV700 simply connects via ethernet to my home network and thus can be located in my home office?


Steve, I recently did what you are wanting to do and am thrilled with it.

I already had the Strato / Terra.

I decided to buy an Alto because I wanted to take advantage of 4K upgrade offers for movies I had on Blu-ray. I had tons of movies that offered 4K upgrades and the Alto works great for this.

After I got the Alto, I still had a lot of Blu-ray Disc that either didn’t have disc to digital rights, or they didn’t have 4K offers. So I decided to add a DV700 for those disc.

I have a lot of Blu-ray movies that still have disc to HD for $5.99, but for now I just let them play directly from the DV700. That way, when the movie becomes available in 4K, I will only have to pay the 4K upgrade price. For example, Jaws. I could have paid $5.99 to convert from Disc to HD digital already, but for now I just play the Blu-ray in the DV700. I am just waiting for the 4K version to show up in the K store, and then just pay the $11.99 price to go from disc to 4K digital, instead of paying $5.99 for disc to HD and then the 4K upgrade for $11.99.

Just to clarify one thing you mentioned above. When the DV700 is added to the Alto / Encore system, it does not rip the Blu-ray to its hard drive. It just plays the disc directly from the vault over its Ethernet connection. Because the disc has to physically load, there is maybe a 15 second delay before the movie starts, compared to a movie saved on the hard drive, which plays instantly. But with the disc loaded in the vault, it functions just like a movie downloaded from the K store. It starts playing directly from the movie, bypassing all the preview, and you have scene access, etc. The only difference is the 15 second delay at the start.

The Strato / Terra paired with an Alto / DV700 just offers a much more complete solution for dealing with and upgrading an existing Blu-ray movie catalog.




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Do you remember how I insisted that you should get a Lumagen see... now you can have a seamless setup with the Costar built in the Lumagen!!
Also, consider getting the 3U server - that way the Blu Rays can sit on that instead of the Disc Player...
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Ash, for several years after I got my Radiance Pro in Sept 2017 I was AFTER YOU to get one. HA!
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Just wanted to post a quick note that Kaleidescape is looking into BR2049 still. They are looking at the source file and their encode. Redoing a movie is a slower endeavor for a team already working on new content, I'm told. Will update with more when I know more.
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Just wanted to post a quick note that Kaleidescape is looking into BR2049 still. They are looking at the source file and their encode. Redoing a movie is a slower endeavor for a team already working on new content, I'm told. Will update with more when I know more.
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Just wanted to post a quick note that Kaleidescape is looking into BR2049 still. They are looking at the source file and their encode. Redoing a movie is a slower endeavor for a team already working on new content, I'm told. Will update with more when I know more.
Good Update.

Do you know if K will release movies such as 'The High Note' being released direct to home on Roku - Xfinity - Vudu etc?

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Any update on Jaws 4K HDR?

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Do you know if K will release movies such as 'The High Note' being released direct to home on Roku - Xfinity - Vudu etc?

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Likely coming, no date known.

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Coming, but no date yet. My personal expectation (not speaking for Kaleidescape) is I don't expect it to be long.

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Well, not long at all, LOL. Jaws 4k went live and with Atmos.
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Well, not long at all, LOL. Jaws 4k went live and with Atmos.

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It’s removed and will come back maybe it was adding before the release date I am lucky and download it but still not open my system to watch


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Mine also downloaded last night When will Jaws the revenge be available in 4K HDR and Dolby Atmos? Just kidding....
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I saw it last night too for the upgrade price of $11.99 with Atmos. I'd expect it back early next week at the latest. Maybe there was some issue with it in the store so they had to temporarily pull it or it accidentally went live too early.

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I have been considering a Kscape system but my thoughts are that as internet speeds continue to increase I see the movie streaming services following music and offering full 4K blu-ray quality audio and video streams in the future. I purchase 4K discs now and have about 550 movies on Vudu (most are 4K Atmos but obviously crappy streaming quality).

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I saw it last night too for the upgrade price of $11.99 with Atmos. I'd expect it back early next week at the latest. Maybe there was some issue with it in the store so they had to temporarily pull it or it accidentally went live too early.
I snagged a Jaws HDR / Atmos download before it was pulled. Thanks for the heads up!

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I snagged a Jaws HDR / Atmos download before it was pulled. Thanks for the heads up!

Same here and we watched it last night. Very enjoyable!


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I have been considering a Kscape system but my thoughts are that as internet speeds continue to increase I see the movie streaming services following music and offering full 4K blu-ray quality audio and video streams in the future. I purchase 4K discs now and have about 550 movies on Vudu (most are 4K Atmos but obviously crappy streaming quality).

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Apple, Amazon, Vudu, etc. have had plenty of time to date to really push quality in terms of high video bit rates and lossless audio, and none of them have seen fit to provide these quality levels. I'm not aware of any rumoring that such quality levels are coming nor planned. It could be argued that the quality they do provide is good enough for the masses, and the mass market is who these companies cater too.

Anything could happen of course. It seems obvious to us that they would want to push quality if they wanted to, but we are a niche user base. AV1 and newer codecs are coming as well, which could change things.

When it comes to technology, the best advice is often to buy what you need/want based on what is available today, not what may (or may not) come eventually. There's always something to wait for and a potential new trend around the corner. In the meantime, you could enjoy days, months, or years of currently available technology.
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Apple, Amazon, Vudu, etc. have had plenty of time to date to really push quality in terms of high video bit rates and lossless audio, and none of them have seen fit to provide these quality levels. I'm not aware of any rumoring that such quality levels are coming nor planned. It could be argued that the quality they do provide is good enough for the masses, and the mass market is who these companies cater too.

Anything could happen of course. It seems obvious to us that they would want to push quality if they wanted to, but we are a niche user base. AV1 and newer codecs are coming as well, which could change things.

When it comes to technology, the best advice is often to buy what you need/want based on what is available today, not what may (or may not) come eventually. There's always something to wait for and a potential new trend around the corner. In the meantime, you could enjoy days, months, or years of currently available technology.
Agree with some different thoughts. I for one have been QUITE surprised just how good streaming video has been delivered by the bigger services. When 4K video first came out and people were talking about streaming it, I was skeptical to say the least. 1080p streaming services looked bad enough, how was 4K going to be any better. But the implementation of much better compression has changed my opinion completely. I have to applaud the iTunes, Netflix, Vudu and Amazon's for their 4K VIDEO streaming quality. It has surpassed even my wildest expectations. Pre-recorded or Kscape is still better, but I think the gap is MUCH smaller than anyone ever dreamed it could be (so long as you have good bandwidth at home for it).

As for audio and moving to higher quality, I would see it happening as things progress. It would be a way of differentiating services from one another. Netflix already did a jump in quality in the last year and we've already exceeded the bitrates we saw on DVD. If compression continues to improve, we could see that continue to allow better audio, though I don't know if we'll ever get to true lossless like we have with BR and Kscape.

I look at video streaming services like most audio streaming services (Pandora, Apple Music, Spotify). It isn't as good as the pre-recorded or high resolution formats, but it is more than good enough for the average consumer, especially when you add in the convenience and where they consume it. Kscape is more like the Tidal crowd that wants the convenience WITHOUT compromising the quality. They want it all. This is obviously a much smaller consumer base, but hopefully there is enough to keep services like this available. I want quality first and foremost, the convenience of Kscape compared to going pre-recorded is the icing on the cake (that and the availability of content that may never see the light of day on pre-recorded making Kscape the only option for full quality).

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Re Streaming we are still comparing 11.25GB Per Hour vs. 40 and in one case 52 in Kaleidescape.
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The fact that Infinity Wars in HDR+Atmos downloads in 32 minutes, when the movie itself is 2 hours 29 minutes long seems to indicate we could stream full-quality movies if we allowed the first few minutes to be buffered.

Imagine, your K server only having the first 10 minutes of each movie and fetching the rest on-demand. K would never go for it, because it would undermine hardware sales and move the cost to streaming for which they have no recurring revenue unless they switch to a subscription business.

I think the writing is on the wall. Everything will be streamed at lossless resolution eventually. I don't see how that is avoidable. The question is: will this happen next year or in five years? In the meantime, K will have the better experience but there is an expiration date on it.
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The fact that Infinity Wars in HDR+Atmos downloads in 32 minutes, when the movie itself is 2 hours 29 minutes long seems to indicate we could stream full-quality movies if we allowed the first few minutes to be buffered.



Imagine, your K server only having the first 10 minutes of each movie and fetching the rest on-demand. K would never go for it, because it would undermine hardware sales and move the cost to streaming for which they have no recurring revenue unless they switch to a subscription business.



I think the writing is on the wall. Everything will be streamed at lossless resolution eventually. I don't see how that is avoidable. The question is: will this happen next year or in five years? In the meantime, K will have the better experience but there is an expiration date on it.


Agree ... it’s just a matter of time. Bandwidth will continue to increase and like songs I assume there will be movie subscription services that have two levels of quality. Full bit perfect 4K Atmos/DTS:X or the currently compressed option at a cheaper price.

I have gigabit speed as do some of my friends. Assume we would need maybe 3-5 gigabit speed to stream?

I am still interested in the Kscape system as it would allow me to que up demo material quickly along with many other features. My concern is investing in Kscape movies as eventually I will likely be able to upgrade my Vudu movies to full quality.... but that might take another five years.


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