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Some MX160 owners pass on the very specific details they are told from dealers, while other MX160 owners are on NDA with McIntosh and are not allowed to comment.
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Some MX160 owners pass on the very specific details they are told from dealers, while other MX160 owners are on NDA with McIntosh and are not allowed to comment.

As an owner(I realise now I mistagged you earlier due not picking the couple of posts that mention you owning one) who spoke to one specific dealer a few months ago, it's great but doesn't make a MX170 a certainty, no matter how good the dealer. I've shared a lot of precise new model info on Sony and JVC projectors over the last 5 or so years, passed straight to me from Senior employees at local factory owned distribution level that's come straight from those factories. Yet as interested as folks here get, nobody takes it as gospel. That's just the nature of internet forums. Yes, most of us are all well aware there are owners and dealers here on the forums quite often under NDA or asked specifically not to share pre-release info. If you're very close friends with some of these people, you never know your luck - I know I've been fortunate there and have done similar for them in return with info
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Does anyone know what settings are used to do upfiring Atmos speakers? Thanks!
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Does anyone know what settings are used to do upfiring Atmos speakers? Thanks!
Speaker set up guide says select Dolby Enabled speaker in speaker set up menu for the appropriate channel. For the left upfiring speaker select Dolby enabled in the Left front speaker set up. The guide then says the 160 will assign which XLR output to be used for that Dolby enabled speaker. In my case for the left and right upfiring speakers it assigned LTM and RTM as the outputs to be used.

It doesn’t work. After going round and round with Mc they said to simply use LTF/ RTF. They said it’s exactky the same thing. I don’t buy it but it’s the only way I was able to use the upfiring speakers.
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Speaker set up guide says select Dolby Enabled speaker in speaker set up menu for the appropriate channel. For the left upfiring speaker select Dolby enabled in the Left front speaker set up. The guide then says the 160 will assign which XLR output to be used for that Dolby enabled speaker. In my case for the left and right upfiring speakers it assigned LTM and RTM as the outputs to be used.

It doesn’t work. After going round and round with Mc they said to simply use LTF/ RTF. They said it’s exactky the same thing. I don’t buy it but it’s the only way I was able to use the upfiring speakers.
Does it still sound good? Thanks for the help!
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Does it still sound good? Thanks for the help!
Sounds ok. But I think the system needs to know that upfiring speakers are being used. I believe the Dolby papers say the signal is processed differently for upfiring speakers as to assist with the spatial effect.
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Does anyone know what settings are used to do upfiring Atmos speakers? Thanks!
PS- to measure distance for the upfiring speakers I put a small piece of painters tape on the ceiling where the tweeter/ horn should be hitting the ceiling. Then measured from the MLP to the painters tape, added those numbers together and entered that for the speaker distance.
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PS- to measure distance for the upfiring speakers I put a small piece of painters tape on the ceiling where the tweeter/ horn should be hitting the ceiling. Then measured from the MLP to the painters tape, added those numbers together and entered that for the speaker distance.
Thanks! I hope they fix this issue
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Sounds ok. But I think the system needs to know that upfiring speakers are being used. I believe the Dolby papers say the signal is processed differently for upfiring speakers as to assist with the spatial effect.
Hello, REQ does need to know that upfiring, Dolby-enabled speakers are connected. In the Lyngdorf/McIntosh this is NOT INTUITIVE!

You must choose Dolby-enabled in the speaker setup for the position you are placing the DE speaker on top of.

I have never tested DE speakers, @joerod may know or can find out. I would guess that Front L/R - Top Front, SS - Top Middle and RS - Top Rear.
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Hello, REQ does need to know that upfiring, Dolby-enabled speakers are connected. In the Lyngdorf/McIntosh this is NOT INTUITIVE!

You must choose Dolby-enabled in the speaker setup for the position you are placing the DE speaker on top of.

I have never tested DE speakers, @joerod may know or can find out. I would guess that Front L/R - Top Front, SS - Top Middle and RS - Top Rear.
Hey Marc

After several attempts enabling DE does not function correctly. No signal whatsoever is sent to the channels. That’s why Mc said to use the LTF / RTF and of LTR / RTR.
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After several attempts enabling DE does not function correctly. No signal whatsoever is sent to the channels. That’s why Mc said to use the LTF / RTF and of LTR / RTR.
You enabled LTF/RTF (also enabling DE on LF/RF) and LTR/RTR (DE on LRS/RRS)?

Does Speaker Verify emit tones?
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You enabled LTF/RTF (also enabling DE on LF/RF) and LTR/RTR (DE on LRS/RRS)?

Does Speaker Verify emit tones?
After enabling DE with LF and RF, the 160 showed that LTM and RTM were now enabled. LTF and RTF we’re still greyed out. As per speaker config document those were the XLR outputs to be used for those channels and connected to the amp accordingly. After doing, no signal present, even with verify speaker tones. Contacted Mc and was told not to enable DE and to use top outputs for upwards firing speakers.

Did not test rear DE set up.
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After enabling DE with LF and RF, the 160 showed that LTM and RTM were now enabled. LTF and RTF we’re still greyed out. As per speaker config document those were the XLR outputs to be used for those channels and connected to the amp accordingly. After doing, no signal present, even with verify speaker tones. Contacted Mc and was told not to enable DE and to use top outputs for upwards firing speakers.

Did not test rear DE set up.
I was able to test and it works. You need to delete TF, TM & TR. You do all config on F, SS and RS. You can only use 2 pairs of DE speakers. Matrixing is not available when using DE speakers. Aux subs and Auro positions are available.

I did not run RP but it makes sense if RP skips DE speakers because of their special FR curve/notch. Verify using Verify Speakers. Here is what is should look like.
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I was able to test and it works. You need to delete TF, TM & TR. You do all config on F, SS and RS. You can only use 2 pairs of DE speakers. Matrixing is not available when using DE speakers. Aux subs and Auro positions are available.

I did not run RP but it makes sense if RP skips DE speakers because of their special FR curve/notch. Verify using Verify Speakers. Here is what is should look like.
I am running 3.0.7
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Are you guys squared away? Do I need to ask them anything?

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I was able to test and it works. You need to delete TF, TM & TR. You do all config on F, SS and RS. You can only use 2 pairs of DE speakers. Matrixing is not available when using DE speakers. Aux subs and Auro positions are available.

I did not run RP but it makes sense if RP skips DE speakers because of their special FR curve/notch. Verify using Verify Speakers. Here is what is should look like.
I’m very curios if this works because I’m holding on buying upfiring speakers at this time because of the uncertainty with the 160’s ability to do it. Thanks!
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Are you guys squared away? Do I need to ask them anything?
Hey Joe,

No, not squared away. Over a year ago when I tried doing speaker set up (while using 2 Dolby enabled speakers) no signal was present for those up firing speakers. I followed the speaker set up doc. That’s when Mc told be to set them up without selecting Dolby enabled in set up and to set them up as LTF and RTF.

A few firmware updates later I asked Mc if the issue was fixed and was told to leave them as LTF and RTF since doing so is the same thing as selecting Dolby enabled during set up.
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No, not squared away. Over a year ago when I tried doing speaker set up (while using 2 Dolby enabled speakers) no signal was present for those up firing speakers. I followed the speaker set up doc. That’s when Mc told be to set them up without selecting Dolby enabled in set up and to set them up as LTF and RTF.

A few firmware updates later I asked Mc if the issue was fixed and was told to leave them as LTF and RTF since doing so is the same thing as selecting Dolby enabled during set up.
I will ask over there and report back shortly.
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Isn’t it about time for a new firmware update? I will ask about that too.
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Isn’t it about time for a new firmware update? I will ask about that too.
Thank you, Joe
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No, not squared away. Over a year ago when I tried doing speaker set up (while using 2 Dolby enabled speakers) no signal was present for those up firing speakers. I followed the speaker set up doc. That’s when Mc told be to set them up without selecting Dolby enabled in set up and to set them up as LTF and RTF.

A few firmware updates later I asked Mc if the issue was fixed and was told to leave them as LTF and RTF since doing so is the same thing as selecting Dolby enabled during set up.
My issue when experimenting with up firing "DE" vs. LTF and RTF, was that the Dolby Upmixer wasn't using the DE speakers a while back (no idea if that has changed). Only Atmos soundtracks were using them. That is why I ended up choosing to use the LTF and RTF so that I could have them used during up-mixed audio.
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Will the new MX170 be shown at Cedia? I see that McIntosh has a booth. I will stop by when I'm there and talk to them! SJ
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I would be surprised since there has been no recent updates from Lyngdorf regarding the new HDMI board.

I would also expect a MX161 or MX160 mkII badge rather than 170.
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My issue when experimenting with up firing "DE" vs. LTF and RTF, was that the Dolby Upmixer wasn't using the DE speakers a while back (no idea if that has changed). Only Atmos soundtracks were using them. That is why I ended up choosing to use the LTF and RTF so that I could have them used during up-mixed audio.
Actually, I just changed my up-firing speakers to Dolby enabled to try it again (I hadn't tried for a long time), and it seems to be working well now. I recommend it.
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Actually, I just changed my up-firing speakers to Dolby enabled to try it again (I hadn't tried for a long time), and it seems to be working well now. I recommend it.
Once selecting Dolby enabled in speaker set up which channel outputs did the 160 assign for the DE speakers?

Also, does it sound better than your prior set up?
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Actually, I just changed my up-firing speakers to Dolby enabled to try it again (I hadn't tried for a long time), and it seems to be working well now. I recommend it.
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Once selecting Dolby enabled in speaker set up which channel outputs did the 160 assign for the DE speakers?

Also, does it sound better than your prior set up?
Dolby Enabled needs to be identified so that REQ accounts for the virtualization curve.
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Once selecting Dolby enabled in speaker set up which channel outputs did the 160 assign for the DE speakers?

Also, does it sound better than your prior set up?
I have four speakers that I set as DE. It's using LTF, RTF, LTR, RTR outs. It sounds better for Dolby Atmos, Dolby upmixer, and DTS-X. The Neural-X upmixer isn't using them though for some reason.
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MX 160 Bi-Amping

New MX160 owner and new to AVS Forum. Having a bi-amping problem and couldn't find anything to help me when searching in this thread......

My MX160 is pared with a MC207 Amp. Trying to setup bi-amping for my front speakers. Configured the speakers for bi-amping in speaker setup which enabled the aux 1 & aux 2 icons in the speaker setup. Saved the setup and verified it's saved. Hooked up aux 1 and 2 from the MX160 to the 2 open amp inputs I have on the MC207 and hooked up the bi-amp speaker wires to the MC207 outputs. So believe everything is good to go but am getting nothing out of the added bi-amp amp outputs. Only the man LF and RF outputs from the MC207 are active. Is there anything I'm missing? I have the latest firmware - v3.04.

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