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Two questions I've been wanting to ask, and since you kind of mentioned one of them, I'll go ahead and ask both :-)


1) I see in Widescreen Review that Doug Blackburn prefers Auromatic over any other up mixer by a large margin - for everything movies and music. Do you find the same thing with Auromatic, or are some up mixers good for some things and other up mixers for others? If Auromatic is as good as Doug Blackburn mentions, then the MX160 and MP-50 (along with Datasat) become another compelling reason to get those processors over other processors.


2) You have both the RS20i and the MX160. Do you find that you prefer either Roomperfect or Dirac Live? Could you share what you perceive are the sonic differences between the two?


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Question 2 will take more time than I have at the moment to answer. Besides I may have in the past here. As for Doug Blackburn’s taste that is tough to answer. It could be the way his room is set up or where or how his speakers are mounted. I will say I prefer Automatic (Auro-3D up mix) for everything except Atmos and DTS: X movies. I will experiment more but so far to my ears the Atmos and X discs in their natural state just seem more accurate or distinct. And trust me I love Auro-3D. Which is why I use it for everything else except the new formats. Auromatic seems to throw more above our heads which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. I think it all comes down to one’s ears and what they prefer. I suggest you experiment some. Lately I have been using IT since right off the bat you hear singing and rain above your head. And creepy kids laughing!!!!

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With the latest joe firmware, I have been enjoying Auro2D for two channel sources (when not doing Stereo). SJ
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i may be misunderstanding DTS:X. i do mot see a choice for this with the new FW. i do see Neural:X conema is this DTS:X?
Sorry for such s basic question but hey may as well be honest about it
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i may be misunderstanding DTS:X. i do mot see a choice for this with the new FW. i do see Neural:X conema is this DTS:X?
Sorry for such s basic question but hey may as well be honest about it
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Yes, Neutral:X is DTS:X. As Joe suggested, for Dolby Atmos and DTS:X movies, use no post processing. For other movies, use Auro 3D. For 2 channel sources, use Auro 2D. You'll get the best out of the new firmware.
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Yes, Neutral:X is DTS:X. As Joe suggested, for Dolby Atmos and DTS:X movies, use no post processing. For other movies, use Auro 3D. For 2 channel sources, use Auro 2D. You'll get the best out of the new firmware.
Been trying Auro 3-D like suggested, but with Netflix and some other apps on the Apple TV, I get loud pops from the speakers. iTunes and HBO are ok. Very strange. (ATV set to PCM).

Correction: popping with HBO and iTunes is present as well. Seems to occur when it's a 5.1 source. 2 channel doesn't seem to pop.

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Been trying Auro 3-D like suggested, but with Netflix and some other apps on the Apple TV, I get loud pops from the speakers. iTunes and HBO are ok. Very strange. (ATV set to PCM).
Popping in Auro 3D mode does exist. We should report this glitch to McIntosh.
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They must have fixed it because it would always pop with DTS MA soundtracks for me.... SJ
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Hi everyone, How can I use headphone to Mcintosh ? There is no Headphone jack...
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Hi everyone, How can I use headphone to Mcintosh ? There is no Headphone jack...
A head phone jack needs headphone amplifier circuit. The MX160 doesn't have one. It depends on what type of headphone you have. Add a DAC with headphone amplifier such as Audioengine D1, Emotiva Big Ego, OPPO Sonica, or Benchmark DAC3. You also can buy the OPPO UDP205. It has a built-in high-performance headphone amplifier connected directly to ESS Sabre Pro DAC. Know your headphone is a must. For example, the Sennheiser HD800S needs an amplifier such as the HDV820 to reach its peak performance while the Grado PS1000e works without an additional amplifier. If you use your headphone everyday, the OPPO UDP-205 is definitely the best choice.
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A head phone jack needs headphone amplifier circuit. The MX160 doesn't have one. It depends on what type of headphone you have. Add a DAC with headphone amplifier such as Audioengine D1, Emotiva Big Ego, OPPO Sonica, or Benchmark DAC3. You also can buy the OPPO UDP205. It has a built-in high-performance headphone amplifier connected directly to ESS Sabre Pro DAC. Know your headphone is a must. For example, the Sennheiser HD800S needs an amplifier such as the HDV820 to reach its peak performance while the Grado PS1000e works without an additional amplifier. If you use your headphone everyday, the OPPO UDP-205 is definitely the best choice.
Thanks for quick reply, my headphone is b&w p7
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Been trying Auro 3-D like suggested, but with Netflix and some other apps on the Apple TV, I get loud pops from the speakers. iTunes and HBO are ok. Very strange. (ATV set to PCM).

Correction: popping with HBO and iTunes is present as well. Seems to occur when it's a 5.1 source. 2 channel doesn't seem to pop.
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They must have fixed it because it would always pop with DTS MA soundtracks for me.... SJ
I was experimenting with Auro-3D on the DTS-MA soundtrack of the new Blue Planet II 4K disc last night. I had consistent pops in Auro-3D. So I ended up after awhile going to Neural:X. Neural:X sounded excellent anyway and I didn't find Auro-3D really added anything (except unwanted pops).
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DV pass through on MX160 and MX122

Hi, I have an MX122, but it may be of some relevance to the MX160 community, so I am posting here as well. McIntosh told me some months ago that the MX122 (and I believe MX160) would not pass DV signals, which removed the possibility of connecting an Apple TV 4K or other DV streamer, easing the problem of getting all available audio formats into the AVR. Since ATV 4K has recently implemented a low latency DV stream over HDMI (which I can confirm is working with my Sony A1E), I just emailed McIntosh to ask if this would make a difference in the ability to implement a pass through. Anyway, FWIW, below is email and I will update with their response:




"Hi Jordan, thanks for your help in the past on various questions. I recall from prior emails that the MX122 would not pass through Dolby Vision signals. I wanted to do that to minimize cabling and also get uncompressed audio signals to my MX122 rather than having to use a toslink cable from my TV to the MX122. Recently, Apple TV 4K has modified its HDMI output to send a 'low latency' Dolby Vision stream. Do you think that it would be possible now for McIntosh to implement pass through of that DV stream? It would be greatly appreciated by users of the MX122, as many of them are using the Apple TV 4K for DV content, which is expanding. The ability to connect the Apple TV 4K to the MX122 would be a marketing plus for McIntosh I believe.


Thanks for checking on this for me,
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I was experimenting with Auro-3D on the DTS-MA soundtrack of the new Blue Planet II 4K disc last night. I had consistent pops in Auro-3D. So I ended up after awhile going to Neural:X. Neural:X sounded excellent anyway and I didn't find Auro-3D really added anything (except unwanted pops).
I stopped trying to use Auro3D a long time ago due to the pops in the sound.
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Hi, I have an MX122, but it may be of some relevance to the MX160 community, so I am posting here as well. McIntosh told me some months ago that the MX122 (and I believe MX160) would not pass DV signals, which removed the possibility of connecting an Apple TV 4K or other DV streamer, easing the problem of getting all available audio formats into the AVR. Since ATV 4K has recently implemented a low latency DV stream over HDMI (which I can confirm is working with my Sony A1E), I just emailed McIntosh to ask if this would make a difference in the ability to implement a pass through. Anyway, FWIW, below is email and I will update with their response:




"Hi Jordan, thanks for your help in the past on various questions. I recall from prior emails that the MX122 would not pass through Dolby Vision signals. I wanted to do that to minimize cabling and also get uncompressed audio signals to my MX122 rather than having to use a toslink cable from my TV to the MX122. Recently, Apple TV 4K has modified its HDMI output to send a 'low latency' Dolby Vision stream. Do you think that it would be possible now for McIntosh to implement pass through of that DV stream? It would be greatly appreciated by users of the MX122, as many of them are using the Apple TV 4K for DV content, which is expanding. The ability to connect the Apple TV 4K to the MX122 would be a marketing plus for McIntosh I believe.


Thanks for checking on this for me,
best regards,"
Thanks for posting this and for reaching out to McIntosh. I have both an MX160 and an MX122. The MX160 actually has already received an update to allow it to pass Dolby Vision, but unfortunately it isn't able to pass the Apple TV 4K's Dolby Vision 60 Hz due to the limited bandwidth (10.8 or so GHz) of its HDMI inputs. I have to set my Apple TV 4K to 4K 30 Hz or 4K 24Hz to be able to send regular HDR through the MX160. On the other hand, the MX122 does have 18 GHz HDMI inputs, so it should be able to pass the Dolby Vision 60 Hz from the Apple TV 4K if McIntosh can do a firmware update to enable it. Since the MX122 is based fairly closely on a Marantz 8802A which is scheduled to get a Dolby Vision update in March, hopefully McIntosh will be able to follow suit.

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Thanks for posting this and for reaching out to McIntosh. I have both an MX160 and an MX122. The MX160 actually has already received an update to allow it to pass Dolby Vision, but unfortunately it isn't able to pass the Apple TV 4K's Dolby Vision 60 Hz due to the limited bandwidth (10.8 or so GHz) of its HDMI inputs. I have to set my Apple TV 4K to 4K 30 Hz or 4K 24Hz to be able to send regular HDR through the MX160. On the other hand, the MX122 does have 18 GHz HDMI inputs, so it should be able to pass the Dolby Vision 60 Hz from the Apple TV 4K if McIntosh can do a firmware update to enable it. Since the MX122 is based fairly closely on a Marantz 8802A which is scheduled to get a Dolby Vision update in March, hopefully McIntosh will be able to follow suit.
The response I got back from McIntosh was:
"Smith, Jordan <[email protected]>
Tue 1/30/2018, 3:34 PM
You;

Unfortunately no MX122 will still not pass Dolby vision.

Tue 1/30/2018, 3:52 PM
Are there any plans to change that at some point? Mark Manner
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Smith, Jordan <[email protected]>
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You;
None at this point

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The response I got back from McIntosh was:
"Smith, Jordan <[email protected]>
Tue 1/30/2018, 3:34 PM
You;

Unfortunately no MX122 will still not pass Dolby vision.

Tue 1/30/2018, 3:52 PM
Are there any plans to change that at some point? Mark Manner
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Smith, Jordan <[email protected]>
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You;
None at this point
That's unfortunate. Nonetheless, thanks for the update.

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@markmanner don't waste any cycles until Marantz releases their update. Until then there is nothing McIntosh can do. Once the AV8802A is updated is when all the MX122 owners should start banging on McIntosh. IMO

Just get an HDFury.
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@markmanner don't waste any cycles until Marantz releases their update. Until then there is nothing McIntosh can do. Once the AV8802A is updated is when all the MX122 owners should start banging on McIntosh. IMO
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Agreed!
Makes sense. I have an HDFury AVR-Key, but it won't work right now until they update it for the new low latency DV output of the Apple TV 4K. Eventually all (most) of this stuff will work together.
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The response I got back from McIntosh was:
"Smith, Jordan <[email protected]>
Tue 1/30/2018, 3:34 PM
You;

Unfortunately no MX122 will still not pass Dolby vision.

Tue 1/30/2018, 3:52 PM
Are there any plans to change that at some point? Mark Manner
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Smith, Jordan <[email protected]>
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You;
None at this point
So, to be clear, they are NOT going to fix this issue??????
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So, to be clear, they are NOT going to fix this issue??????
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Also, just to be clear, he is referring to the MX122, not the MX160.

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Also, just to be clear, he is referring to the MX122, not the MX160.
That is correct, McIntosh was talking about the 122 in the response. One interesting note, I emailed Oppo at the same time about passthrough on their HDMI port, and got a quick response that said they were working on it and some of the challenges, etc. they were facing. I love McIntosh (I have now and have had before a lot of their stuff), but their responses are really not particularly endearing from a bedside manner perspective.
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Also, just to be clear, he is referring to the MX122, not the MX160.
I undstand, however, I have both the MX 122 and the 160, so the 122 will never pass DV and the MX 160 will at 30hz...which is what I found too?????
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Does anyone know if the pops and clicks will be fixed for Auro 3D on the 160?

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Does anyone know if the pops and clicks will be fixed for Auro 3D on the 160?
Ask Joe, or ask Joe to ask Chuck.
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So, to be clear, they are NOT going to fix this issue??????
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As someone noted, the Marantz avr that is similar to the 122 may have a DV update in the spring, and perhaps at that time the 122 may get an update. I took McIntosh's response to be 'bug off for now' rather than 'it will never happen'. I may be mistaken.
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Ask Joe, or ask Joe to ask Chuck.
Hopefully Joe sees this..
The clicks and pops have been there for a very long time, Im surprised it hasnt been addressed.

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As much as I like Chuck he is not my main point of contact but believe me I am passing this info on. I would appreciate if more could test Auro-3D (Auromatic) and see if they experience popping. Don’t hesitate to send me a PM if you have or need anything else. I sometimes don’t check the thread as often as I should.

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As much as I like Chuck he is not my main point of contact but believe me I am passing this info on. I would appreciate if more could test Auro-3D (Auromatic) and see if they experience popping. Don’t hesitate to send me a PM if you have or need anything else. I sometimes don’t check the thread as often as I should.
But Joe, doesnt your 160 exibit pops and clicks when using Auro3D when playing films, I thought you used it all the time?

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But Joe, doesnt your 160 exibit pops and clicks when using Auro3D when playing films, I thought you used it all the time?
I use DTS X and Atmos with their assigned soundtracks and use Auromatic with the NFL Championships and next up the Super Bowl. If I have a “regular” movie in True HD or DTS Master I will apply Auromatic but I haven’t played one of those discs in awhile in our theater room. As for actual “pops” I have not experienced any with my 160 and I am using the new firmware. I have not had anyone tell me they were experiencing this (if they did I do not remember) but I am reporting it ASAP.
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