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So It Begins 4K UHD Media

After collecting close to 3000 Blu Rays buying Kaleidescape 3U Servers and M Players..
My plan was to move into the 4K world with Digital Rights purchase and no shiny discs using Kaleidoscope Stratos 4K player....
I recently installed ATMOS in my Cinema ...and am loving it...
The next step is a 4K projector and that should be installed mid 2016.
Also, recently acquired a LG 4K OLED 65 Inch TV which has a phenomenal picture..
To test out the TV I bought 4K Digital version of the Amazing Spiderman 3 which is a HDR version from the Amazon Store - cost 29.99.
Installed a Roku 4 - and watched the Amazing Spiderman on the OLED in 4K HDR and the picture is staggering...
I have started to catalog my 3000 blu rays (whichever VUDU allows digital rights UV) on kudu... which extends to Kaleidescape in most cases..
I went to my VUDU account and low and behold, a recent movie I bought 'Man from Uncle' for which I own UV rights shows as available to watch in HDX BUT I also get a option to buy a 4K UHD version with ATMOS for 29.99 (there is even a logo of Dolby Vision)...so I am guessing this version is HDR also.
Very exciting times... if the quality is good enough (I would not compromise on quality) then there is no need to buy Kaleidoscope Stratos system and or discs... just buy from VUDU UHD digital discs - the Roku even down sizes the 4K print to 1080P on non 4K TV's - not sure if it still plays in ATMOS...
So the solution would be Roku 4 and buy Movies UHD from VUDU...and stream
I will appreciate any comments and if this is the right way to move forward...
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Ash get a Strato they will have the entire SONY 4k library but some movies in HDR. Order Bejewelled Fishes, make sure to engage deep color, better be seated for that one.Cheers!
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After collecting close to 3000 Blu Rays buying Kaleidescape 3U Servers and M Players..
My plan was to move into the 4K world with Digital Rights purchase and no shiny discs using Kaleidoscope Stratos 4K player....
I recently installed ATMOS in my Cinema ...and am loving it...
The next step is a 4K projector and that should be installed mid 2016.
Also, recently acquired a LG 4K OLED 65 Inch TV which has a phenomenal picture..
To test out the TV I bought 4K Digital version of the Amazing Spiderman 3 which is a HDR version from the Amazon Store - cost 29.99.
Installed a Roku 4 - and watched the Amazing Spiderman on the OLED in 4K HDR and the picture is staggering...
I have started to catalog my 3000 blu rays (whichever VUDU allows digital rights UV) on kudu... which extends to Kaleidescape in most cases..
I went to my VUDU account and low and behold, a recent movie I bought 'Man from Uncle' for which I own UV rights shows as available to watch in HDX BUT I also get a option to buy a 4K UHD version with ATMOS for 29.99 (there is even a logo of Dolby Vision)...so I am guessing this version is HDR also.
Very exciting times... if the quality is good enough (I would not compromise on quality) then there is no need to buy Kaleidoscope Stratos system and or discs... just buy from VUDU UHD digital discs - the Roku even down sizes the 4K print to 1080P on non 4K TV's - not sure if it still plays in ATMOS...
So the solution would be Roku 4 and buy Movies UHD from VUDU...and stream
I will appreciate any comments and if this is the right way to move forward...

ROKU 4 does not do HDR. If you want to watch HDR from amazon, you must watch it through your built in tv app. Also, the HDR in spiderman is SO SO. if you want a very good looking HDR movie from amazon, try "after earth", or "elysium". smurfs 2 also looks incredible but it is a kids movie. I would rank spiderman to be the 4th or 5th best HDR movie from amazon in terms of HDR grading quality.


also, VUDU does not do HDR for LG/SONY/SAMSUNG, they use dolby vision which is currently only available on the Vizio R series which is being released next year. You will only get a 4k version from amazon, and you must change your roku settings to 4k 10 bit in order to get the 10 bit color. Your LG OLED uses what is called SMPTE HDR10, which is different from dolby vision.

any more questions for comments, there is an HDR Master list of contents thread that I created, i suggest you check it out. there is ALOT of great information and feedback from other members.

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Peter - I will get a Stratos .... and the Bejeweled Fishes.
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I will look into the HDR thread - thanks for taking the time to post a detailed explanation..
In 1080P - VUDU is the best choice to keep all movies which include Disney (as K Escape has a complicated opt in process for Disney)..
In For UHD if VUDU is tied up with Dolby Vision TV's only for 4K HDR (exclusively) then - will have to find a better wy to store the movies.
Looking for simple one point storage for such VUDU has been great...for 1080P with K Escape as the delivery mechanism .. for full Blu Ray Quality..
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I am about to jump into K Escape and am also curious about the 4K HDR content.
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Cool 100 titles from Sony most new movies color re-graded to HDR10

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I am about to jump into K Escape and am also curious about the 4K HDR content.
This is 2.5 tearbytes worth of SONY 4k CONTENT, by the way cinemascope movies look better on 1.2x zoom (4k upscaled oppo ar 2.0) aka on the LG OLED as cinema zoom level 13.







In addition Kscp will have some large format type Imax style content as well and smaller studios. But the entire sony library is a go.
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I don't think most of those titles are true 4k. Like Godzilla and Fifth Element are from the Sony remastered 4k collection. Upscaled to 4k from a 4k source that was originally downscaled to 1080p?
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max resolution for film made 10 years ago

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I don't think most of those titles are true 4k. Like Godzilla and Fifth Element are from the Sony remastered 4k collection. Upscaled to 4k from a 4k source that was originally downscaled to 1080p?
I am a Rookie on this subject but was wondering - For movies made in the past 10 years or so what is the max resolution that can be transfer over to a Blue ray- or UHD disc ? Or what is the resolution when projected in a movie theater ? Just wondering if some of these UHD movies are just unconverted from lower resolution film when it was originally shot or is a movie always filmed with a higher resolution than 4k?
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I am a Rookie on this subject but was wondering - For movies made in the past 10 years or so what is the max resolution that can be transfer over to a Blue ray- or UHD disc ? Or what is the resolution when projected in a movie theater ? Just wondering if some of these UHD movies are just unconverted from lower resolution film when it was originally shot or is a movie always filmed with a higher resolution than 4k?
Many transfers are from 35 mm scans and are true 4k.

Im no epxrt on cameras but the bulk of content can be 4k with vfx upscaled from 2k, but that is all changing.

That been said if you have a late model oppo 4k upscaler kick it into 444 mode with 36 bit depth or 30 dithered mode and if you have a deep color set, and you forget the isf settings and just crank it up to the most verisimilar to the eye setting something like Tomorrowland looks completely 4k native in wcg. Also zoom to 1.2x if your screen is 1.77ar it is mind blowing good.

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Ash do not forget to order the sony professional polarized glasses for watching 3d, must have with OLED 3d.
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Ash do not forget to order the sony professional polarized glasses for watching 3d, must have with OLED 3d.
Peter,
Very good tip... could have never thought of this...

BTW where is the bejeweled fish movie? I could not find it on Amazon..

My big concern about 4K is to :

1. Go digital only.
2. Have all the movies at one platform.

In 1080p - I am using Discs, K Escape and Ultraviolet on Vudu (I never use Vudu due to the sound quality - but mainly to share with my teenagers who like to watch epic movies on iPad's - go figure)..

But now I see so many movies with ATMOS movies on VUDU although only for Dolby Vision (I hope they open it to all media).

For example Man From Uncle is available on Vudu in 4K ATMOS (Dolby Vision Only) - I would rather buy it on Vudu and have digital rights for my Stratos Player...

Having ATMOS on Vudu has made me think that best for 4K will be streaming...

I bought couple of 4K HDR movies on Amazon - now all this media is all over the place ...

So my best solution would be:

1. Add Stratos to my K Escape system - for full high quality 4K.
2. Hope Vudu - Ultraviolet will do the same as today for 1080P where I can buy movies on K Escape or Vudu and has them digital available - the key being ATMOS here.

And that is why Dolby will Kick Butt and Auro and DTS X will not be able to compete as the content is fast and furious turning ATMOS ....

Good problems for our favorite hobby...

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Peter,
Very good tip... could have never thought of this...

BTW where is the bejeweled fish movie? I could not find it on Amazon..

My big concern about 4K is to :

1. Go digital only.
2. Have all the movies at one platform.

In 1080p - I am using Discs, K Escape and Ultraviolet on Vudu (I never use Vudu due to the sound quality - but mainly to share with my teenagers who like to watch epic movies on iPad's - go figure)..

But now I see so many movies with ATMOS movies on VUDU although only for Dolby Vision (I hope they open it to all media).

For example Man From Uncle is available on Vudu in 4K ATMOS (Dolby Vision Only) - I would rather buy it on Vudu and have digital rights for my Stratos Player...

Having ATMOS on Vudu has made me think that best for 4K will be streaming...

I bought couple of 4K HDR movies on Amazon - now all this media is all over the place ...

So my best solution would be:

1. Add Stratos to my K Escape system - for full high quality 4K.
2. Hope Vudu - Ultraviolet will do the same as today for 1080P where I can buy movies on K Escape or Vudu and has them digital available - the key being ATMOS here.

And that is why Dolby will Kick Butt and Auro and DTS X will not be able to compete as the content is fast and furious turning ATMOS ....

Good problems for our favorite hobby...

Ash
I assume you have a 4k upscaling oppo set to deep color, also set oled to deep color, crank up color, tell me it don't look like 4 k wcg?
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Many transfers are from 35 mm scans and are true 4k.
Well that depends... There was never a 4K Telecine, that is a 4K signal stream through a color corrector in real time.

Any 4K master had to be scanned and processed through a data workflow, not a video workflow. Now in the past ten years most features were DCI graded and thus a 4K version could be available provided of course the film was scanned at 4K or better and the subsequent post production was 4K. Unfortunately much was not and held to 2K.

Some restoration of older films were scanned at 4K or better for BluRay release and I know some of these scans are archived in 4K. So a re-grade for 4K is not that involved, especially since the color correction lists are more or less resolution independent.

So while there are not many 4K FINISHED masters on the shelf, there are quite a few that can easily be re-released as 4K for minimal cost.

Digital cameras do not ensure 4K either. They all have the option of working at 2K or even lower. It's quite common for new lower end features to be shot digital but only at 2K.
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So while there are not many 4K FINISHED masters on the shelf, there are quite a few that can easily be re-released as 4K for minimal cost





Glimmie,
Do you know some older films that would fit into this category?
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Thought you found even better ones?
Not since by moving the tv 6" further away I need no correction. Just for people that need correction. Without correction the sony pro's are rocking.
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Do you know some older films that would fit into this category?
I bet Lawrence of Arabia...
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On a separate note - maybe related..

http://www.wired.com/2015/12/hateful...roadshow-tech/

I will be watching the Sunday night showing...
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The complete Indiana Jones set. This was released a couple of years ago on BluRay but it was scanned at 6K on a Northlight scanner.
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http://www.wired.com/2015/12/hateful...roadshow-tech/

I will be watching the Sunday night showing...
Mike Babb my #1 DCI installer of choice cranked up an ULTRAPANAVISION installation every 2 days for an entire month and a half for Hateful Eight. There are 4 in south florida, chances are he did your too. He is da man,besides doing the main cinemacon room and sundance, and the Barcelona dci show, he carries more gadgetry and instrumentation with him than Q branch has given James combined through the years.
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Kaleidescape now has 4K movie upgrades for at least 24 of the Ultraviolet titles I own ...
This what exactly I was hoping for that K Escape will offer upgrades and they are...
This make K Escape a very active proposition to those who own UV Titles - apart from Stratos offering HDR (I did not notice mention of HDR in the titles I saw and neither ATMOS)..
Now all I need is a Stratos player.. OR not sure If I upgrade in K Escape these titles will show up in the Vudu app on my Roku 4K on myOLED TV.
Fun - Fun.. 4K is here and bye bye shiny discs..
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Kaleidescape now has 4K movie upgrades for at least 24 of the Ultraviolet titles I own ...
This what exactly I was hoping for that K Escape will offer upgrades and they are...
This make K Escape a very active proposition to those who own UV Titles - apart from Stratos offering HDR (I did not notice mention of HDR in the titles I saw and neither ATMOS)..
Now all I need is a Stratos player.. OR not sure If I upgrade in K Escape these titles will show up in the Vudu app on my Roku 4K on myOLED TV.
Fun - Fun.. 4K is here and bye bye shiny discs..

So its $13 to upgrade to UHD? I have a strato on preorder so i've been waiting to find out what they were going to do for upgrades.

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I wonder if all the titles I have bought in 4k from sony have some kind of UV code value to them... I think so.

I have thrown away more ultrviolet code sheets since it came out loading kaleidescapes than id care to admit, at least 300. Ouch!
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You can convert your discs to UV for 50 cents a piece (those eligible) using Vudu..
I had a teenager go through my 3000 discs and we got 1000 UV's ... by the time he was done..
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And I wonder how the UV rights across different stores will work.
For example If I buy a movie on Vudu (with UV rights) it shows up on my K Escape.
If I insert a disc in K Escape and take a disc to digital upgrade it shows up in Vudu.
Now I bought two Digital 4K Movies from Amazon - Smurf's 2 and Amazing Spiderman 3 - these are available in K Escape store but the store shows I need to buy them again..
4K UV working across all platforms VUDU, Amazon, Ultraflix etc etc - needs to show up on all devices ... but that may not be good for the stores...
One thing is for sure - best way to make a digital library is to buy from a store offering UV Rights.
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