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Three thousand hours on mine just fired it up for Friday recharge (mine) glad to finally have gotten back to work this week ! Looks like War of the Worlds UHD. I have been extremely pleased that my first and then the added second stacked with it was purchased great device.
Well, I don't usually make a habit of quoting myself but in this case I'll make an exception. The UHD Atmos of War of the Worlds is the most bass emasculated travesty I've ever experienced. I'm sorry despite the massive uptick in the image on the UHD iteration ,which I will acknowledge, this film is legend for the bass of the lightening strikes,ground opening ,tripod feet, horns, vaporizing beams etc which now are gone. I was all excited and ended up watching the old Blu Ray instead.

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Well, I don't usually make a habit of quoting myself but in this case I'll make an exception. The UHD Atmos of War of the Worlds is the most bass emasculated travesty I've ever experienced. I'm sorry despite the massive uptick in the image on the UHD iteration ,which I will acknowledge, this film is legend for the bass of the lightening strikes,ground opening ,tripod feet, horns, vaporizing beams etc which now are gone. I was all excited and ended up watching the old Blu Ray instead.



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I glad you mentioned that! Keith Yates has a blurb on his website about his UberSub and he uses a scene from War of the Worlds to show how low it goes. I watched my UHD version with my 4 (soon to be 8) Seaton F18s and.....nothing. Just nothing. I thought it was because the movie was going infrasonic. Turns out just no sonics


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I glad you mentioned that! Keith Yates has a blurb on his website about his UberSub and he uses a scene from War of the Worlds to show how low it goes. I watched my UHD version with my 4 (soon to be 8) Seaton F18s and.....nothing. Just nothing. I thought it was because the movie was going infrasonic. Turns out just no sonics


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I actually went into my component room where the amps for the F18s are located to see if they were even turned on !

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The Official 5000ES 4K Laser Sony Owner's Thread

The graphs say it all. The 4K version takes a nose dive at 30hz.

The Blu-ray:


The 4K UHD Blu-ray:



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The Official 5000ES 4K Laser Sony Owner's Thread

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I have an opportunity to get a 5000es at a good price. Wife is on board, etc. For those of you who own one, if you had the option to buy this projector again today, would you; or are there better alternatives with newer technology, better HDR, etc. available that you would get instead?


I got my first 5000ES in April of 2016. I’ve been enjoying it for 4 years now and still love it.

I actually ended up buying 3 of them for use at two different homes. I don’t think I have ever kept a projector as long as I have kept the 5000ES.

While some people sit on the sidelines forever, waiting for the next best thing, I’ve been watching movies! You won’t regret it, especially for the price!

It’s still the best projector currently available for large screen home theater.


EDIT: But also factor in for a Lumagen Radiance Pro. It’s a necessity to get the best HDR image from the projector.


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I have an opportunity to get a 5000es at a good price. Wife is on board, etc. For those of you who own one, if you had the option to buy this projector again today, would you; or are there better alternatives with newer technology, better HDR, etc. available that you would get instead?
No doubt, I'd buy it again! Brightness, pop-up image and filmlike render is second to none.
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Three thousand hours on mine just fired it up for Friday recharge (mine) glad to finally have gotten back to work this week ! Looks like War of the Worlds UHD. I have been extremely pleased that my first and then the added second stacked with it was purchased great device.

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Time to petition K Escape to fix the LFE on the 4K UHD Version
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Time to petition K Escape to fix the LFE on the 4K UHD Version
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They have their work cut out , I applied a 20dB boost to everything below 40Hz and it still can't touch the awesome LFE of the old BD.

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Hi,

we´ve just installed a 5000ES in one of our showrooms recently.
Sure, you could call it a bit aged, but i agree it´s still the best projector in the "lower high end market" (if there is such a thing). There are Thors and Eclipses, but that´s another league - in terms of cost but also in terms of space requirements.
So we´ve bought a few weeks ago and yes, we would buy it again.

And yes, it should be installed with a video processor for HDR (we´ve got an Envy in the chain, but a Lumagen would also a good choice).

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That sums it up nicely "it´s still the best projector in the "lower high end market" I'll add to that- to light up 14' wide screen...
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Thanks to everybody for all of your replies. I will not be using this with a giant screen. It would be an upgrade from a Sony VPL-VW675ES projecting on a 110" screen. Anything larger than that and I get very bad eye fatigue. Overall I am very pleased with the VW675, I just wished that it had a bit more oomph for the HDR content.

I'm really after a vividly bright picture for HDR, great black levels and a very sharp picture. We also use our current projector to play video games, any input on that would be greatly appreciated.

My concerns are the lack of Dolby Vision, what sounds like some clunky HDR implementations, and the fact that it is tens of thousands of dollars for 5 year old tech. I'm also a little concerned about the noise level. Being laser driven and liquid cooled, I'd expect it to be very quiet. I never hear my VW675.

How has Sony's support of the projector via software updates, etc been?
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And yes, it should be installed with a video processor for HDR (we´ve got an Envy in the chain, but a Lumagen would also a good choice).
I was wondering why I prefer the image with SDR vs HDR. Can someone explain exactly why a Lumagen or Envy is need to get a better HDR picture?


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Thanks to everybody for all of your replies. I will not be using this with a giant screen. It would be an upgrade from a Sony VPL-VW675ES projecting on a 110" screen. Anything larger than that and I get very bad eye fatigue. Overall I am very pleased with the VW675, I just wished that it had a bit more oomph for the HDR content.

I'm really after a vividly bright picture for HDR, great black levels and a very sharp picture. We also use our current projector to play video games, any input on that would be greatly appreciated.

My concerns are the lack of Dolby Vision, what sounds like some clunky HDR implementations, and the fact that it is tens of thousands of dollars for 5 year old tech. I'm also a little concerned about the noise level. Being laser driven and liquid cooled, I'd expect it to be very quiet. I never hear my VW675.

How has Sony's support of the projector via software updates, etc been?
Your list seems like you aren't asking much but with the state of projection you are in fact asking a ton. Enough light and contrast to do great HDR without outboard processing not to mention inexpensive pretty much makes the short list worse than short but nonexistent.

There are in fact probably only two projectors capable of the first two alone and they are over 100,000 USD. Good HDR can be achieved with the 5000 and a processor with very good DTM like the Lumagen Pro but not without it (if the screen isn't too large) but the 5000 shouldn't be without an enclosure or in the next room for sound isolation and it's tens of thousands of dollars.

Bottom line is you simply aren't going to get any projector that satisfies all of those criteria.

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3 words - “Dynamic Tone Mapping”.

Without it, even the 5000ES stack won’t do HDR justice. It’s absolutely the key to good HDR.


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Thanks to everybody for all of your replies. I will not be using this with a giant screen. It would be an upgrade from a Sony VPL-VW675ES projecting on a 110" screen. Anything larger than that and I get very bad eye fatigue. Overall I am very pleased with the VW675, I just wished that it had a bit more oomph for the HDR content.

I'm really after a vividly bright picture for HDR, great black levels and a very sharp picture. We also use our current projector to play video games, any input on that would be greatly appreciated.

My concerns are the lack of Dolby Vision, what sounds like some clunky HDR implementations, and the fact that it is tens of thousands of dollars for 5 year old tech. I'm also a little concerned about the noise level. Being laser driven and liquid cooled, I'd expect it to be very quiet. I never hear my VW675.

How has Sony's support of the projector via software updates, etc been?
I just added a Radiance Pro to a system with the same projector as yours. Like the 5000 before the latest update, your 675 shares too many adjustments between SDR and HDR. The Lumagen makes that limitation a non-issue. The client and his wife are blown away by the improvements that the dynamic tone mapping and SDR2020 add.

I would suggest that adding a Radiance Pro is the logical place to start, and then consider a VPL-VW995ES, since you don’t need the light output of the 5000 for your screen size. It uses the same lens as the 5000, and is their newest laser design.


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I agree with @D6500Ken
With your relatively small screen, i´d go for the VPL-VW995ES, add a Video-Processor for DTM and be happy.
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I agree with @D6500Ken
With your relatively small screen, i´d go for the VPL-VW995ES, add a Video-Processor for DTM and be happy.
I have to agree with this if the ARC-F is a factor.

Otherwise you can get a marked improvement on the 675 (If you are happy with the lens/sharpness) with an 885 sporting the latest software. If buying an 885 you could go for the top end envy to go with it too and still have loads of cash to spare from the cost of a 5000.

A 5000 for a 110" screen is overkill IMO.
All those lumens will give a super bright picture. Too bright I would say.

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