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anyone using crestron and VW5000 who got the right protocol?
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I am using Crestron, before the last software it was operating OK, we used IP control and needed to do some custom fixes. After the last 5000ES software upgrade the 5000ES locks up while using crestron control so like you I have not found the correct protocol
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I have setup the 5000ES this week; have had very little time to play with it. I'm bypassing the Radiance Pro at the moment (which was calibrated for use with 1100ES - needs re-calibration for 5000ES). In the mean time, I want to experience the out-of-box settings with some minimal tweaks - primarily, I want to desaturate the colors some as they're oversaturated for my taste.....Been spoilt by the perfectly calibrated images coming out of 1100ES (perfect flesh tones, etc.). Could someone provide the two-or-three very basic things I could do to tone down the color saturation? Otherwise, I'm very pleased with the ultra-crisp ultra bright images even with the lights on!
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For those having Crestron issues, my dealer source indicated that Sony has confirmed things are working with XPanel V1.15 and Roomview Express 6.3.3.7.

If those having issues have earlier versions, perhaps an upgrade on the Creston side might help?
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I have setup the 5000ES this week; have had very little time to play with it. I'm bypassing the Radiance Pro at the moment (which was calibrated for use with 1100ES - needs re-calibration for 5000ES). In the mean time, I want to experience the out-of-box settings with some minimal tweaks - primarily, I want to desaturate the colors some as they're oversaturated for my taste.....Been spoilt by the perfectly calibrated images coming out of 1100ES (perfect flesh tones, etc.). Could someone provide the two-or-three very basic things I could do to tone down the color saturation? Otherwise, I'm very pleased with the ultra-crisp ultra bright images even with the lights on!
Well, you need to try different picture modes, and make sure the Color Space default in Expert Settings is REC709 for TV or standard Blu Ray viewing. Some 5000 factory settings using non-standard color gamut settings, too aggressive sharpening, max contrast etc. So you need to choose a default thats close and salt to taste for your environment.

Try D65 on the main page of settings, and REC709 in the expert settings, contrast of 88-92, sharpening of 10, and go from there.
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For those having Crestron issues, my dealer source indicated that Sony has confirmed things are working with XPanel V1.15 and Roomview Express 6.3.3.7.

If those having issues have earlier versions, perhaps an upgrade on the Creston side might help?
Thanks for the PM also. Ill have my Crestron integrator try this.
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HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!!

New firmware 4.301:

https://esupport.sony.com/US/p/swu-d...os_group_id=18

Improvements over version 4.203:

Further improvement of HDR-related functionality:
Adds the HDR Contrast function to the Picture Menu (when viewing HDR content) to allow adjustment of the average screen brightness
Adds automatic selection of BT.2020 color space when receiving such content

Adds an HDR indicator in the Information Menu when HDR content is being received

Adds Lens Center Return function

Improves overall picture quality

Adds minor bug fixes

Benefits provided by previous updates and included in version 4.301:
Picture quality and noise reduction improvements
Improved HDR tone mapping
Improvement for 3D crosstalk
Support for SNMP
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Joe are you going to install?

Curious about bt2020 passed through the 160 if you do
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HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!!

New firmware 4.301:

https://esupport.sony.com/US/p/swu-d...os_group_id=18

Improvements over version 4.203:

Further improvement of HDR-related functionality:
Adds the HDR Contrast function to the Picture Menu (when viewing HDR content) to allow adjustment of the average screen brightness
Adds automatic selection of BT.2020 color space when receiving such content

Adds an HDR indicator in the Information Menu when HDR content is being received

Adds Lens Center Return function

Improves overall picture quality

Adds minor bug fixes

Benefits provided by previous updates and included in version 4.301:
Picture quality and noise reduction improvements
Improved HDR tone mapping
Improvement for 3D crosstalk
Support for SNMP
Looking forward to reading everyone's feedback / reports / details regarding what are the noticeable improvements with respect to the image with this new firmware, particularly regarding the HDR performance

Spill the beans please
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HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!!

New firmware 4.301:

https://esupport.sony.com/US/p/swu-d...os_group_id=18

Improvements over version 4.203:

Further improvement of HDR-related functionality:
Adds the HDR Contrast function to the Picture Menu (when viewing HDR content) to allow adjustment of the average screen brightness
Adds automatic selection of BT.2020 color space when receiving such content

Adds an HDR indicator in the Information Menu when HDR content is being received

Adds Lens Center Return function

Improves overall picture quality

Adds minor bug fixes

Benefits provided by previous updates and included in version 4.301:
Picture quality and noise reduction improvements
Improved HDR tone mapping
Improvement for 3D crosstalk
Support for SNMP
Fantastic Joe, I've been looking forward to this.....
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So the question is how best to adjust the HDR slider other than by eye, is there a way to set HDR slider so that there is a minimum ftl output for 100 IRE field during HDR?
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What is the "Lens Center Return function"? What will it do?
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What is the "Lens Center Return function"? What will it do?
I believe it returns the lens to the mechanical center of the projector.
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OK, I've just installed the new firmware. Update was smooth and I confirmed the 5000 has now the 4.301. I didn't have enough time to play with it thoroughly as it's very late here. I've checked the menu and there isn't much of a change. There is no dedicated HDR slider. The contrast slider has now (HDR) written next to it. I couldn't locate any other differences, no sign of a "Lens center return" control. Maybe I missed it... will look into it more tomorrow. I just put in a 4K UHD disc into my Panny player to see what that new Contrast (HDR) slider does. It was in the middle (50) when you decrease the value the picture darkens, looses contrast as usual, but when you increase you don't really see a brighter picture, higher values also darken the picture a little I don't know, I have to work on it with more samples to see what it actually does. For now, Contrast (HDR) at around 50 looked best to my eyes.


I'd like to hear what other users will experience. But also I think Sony should have given some instructions what to do with the new features and update the user manual.
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OK, I've just installed the new firmware. Update was smooth and I confirmed the 5000 has now the 4.301. I didn't have enough time to play with it thoroughly as it's very late here. I've checked the menu and there isn't much of a change. There is no dedicated HDR slider. The contrast slider has now (HDR) written next to it. I couldn't locate any other differences, no sign of a "Lens center return" control. Maybe I missed it... will look into it more tomorrow. I just put in a 4K UHD disc into my Panny player to see what that new Contrast (HDR) slider does. It was in the middle (50) when you decrease the value the picture darkens, looses contrast as usual, but when you increase you don't really see a brighter picture, higher values also darken the picture a little I don't know, I have to work on it with more samples to see what it actually does. For now, Contrast (HDR) at around 50 looked best to my eyes.


I'd like to hear what other users will experience. But also I think Sony should have given some instructions what to do with the new features and update the user manual.
I believe the CONTRAST/HDR adjustment is the slider? I actually liked mine in the 60s but will play more soon. Halloween night I was pressed for time with trick-or-treaters looming. I had Deadpool in as I only played for a few quick minutes. I will say there definitely is a boost in image Q. Most noteably right in the beginning when he is in the cab. I could definitely see "more" than before. Details in the littlest form like on his superhero outfit. The advertising signs in front of him on the seat. Very clean as well! I didn't expect this so I am pleasantly surprised. I even summoned the Wife down stairs to come check it out. Can't wait to do more testing. Maybe I should do a part 3!

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Can't wait to do more testing. Maybe I should do a part 3!
Yes please! Your parts 1 & 2 review is probably the best and most useful review of the Sony 5000ES that I have read to date.
A part 3 would be absolutely fantastic
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Does anyone know precisely what percentage of BT.2020 the SONY VPL-VW5000ES is capable of achieving (with the DCI-P3 filter in place) as of right now? Thanks
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For 2.4 viewing are you guys using anamorphic lens?

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For 2.4 viewing are you guys using anamorphic lens?

No ! Now I can speak only for the ISCO III which I've used for my last two 1080 three chip DLPs and I've loved it but with the the 5000 it only degrades the image IMO.


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i am using my VW5000 with an trinnov altitude on hdmi 1 and on hdmi 2 an Panasonic DMP-UB900 since the trinnov doesnt support hdmi 2.0 yet i have connected the UB900 directly for Picture and the sound to the trinnov.
Sometimes when using the UB900 i only get the meny from the player but when i press play the Picture goes black on the vw5000, you can hear the sound from the system but no Picture. The VW till not take any commands when
this happens, like pressing the meny button, if i in the crestron system change source to trinnov (hdmi 1) Pictures come but when i change back to UB900 same thing.
Anyone who has the same? (both the VW5000 and UB900 is upgraded to latest firmware)
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OK, I've just installed the new firmware. Update was smooth and I confirmed the 5000 has now the 4.301. I didn't have enough time to play with it thoroughly as it's very late here. I've checked the menu and there isn't much of a change. There is no dedicated HDR slider. The contrast slider has now (HDR) written next to it. I couldn't locate any other differences, no sign of a "Lens center return" control. Maybe I missed it... will look into it more tomorrow. I just put in a 4K UHD disc into my Panny player to see what that new Contrast (HDR) slider does. It was in the middle (50) when you decrease the value the picture darkens, looses contrast as usual, but when you increase you don't really see a brighter picture, higher values also darken the picture a little I don't know, I have to work on it with more samples to see what it actually does. For now, Contrast (HDR) at around 50 looked best to my eyes.


I'd like to hear what other users will experience. But also I think Sony should have given some instructions what to do with the new features and update the user manual.
I installed the 4.301 update last nite - but don't see any Contrast (HDR) slider - presume we see it only when active HDR video is being fed to the PJ?
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I installed the 4.301 update last nite - but don't see any Contrast (HDR) slider - presume we see it only when active HDR video is being fed to the PJ?
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Hate to admit this but the Wife has a group of girlfriends coming this weekend to watch Sausage Party UHD on the 5000. Wow her movie club nights have changed. I remember not long ago them watching 50 Shades of Grey!


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Hate to admit this but the Wife has a group of girlfriends coming this weekend to watch Sausage Party UHD on the 5000. Wow her movie club nights have changed. I remember not long ago them watching 50 Shades of Grey!

Depending how debased ones thoughts can get, they are not dissimilar...
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Great option being discussed in Video Processor forum for HDR conversion when so desired https://www.avsforum.com/forum/37-vid...l#post48100873. This looks to be a great additional option for the 5000ES.
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i am using my VW5000 with an trinnov altitude on hdmi 1 and on hdmi 2 an Panasonic DMP-UB900 since the trinnov doesnt support hdmi 2.0 yet i have connected the UB900 directly for Picture and the sound to the trinnov.
Sometimes when using the UB900 i only get the meny from the player but when i press play the Picture goes black on the vw5000, you can hear the sound from the system but no Picture. The VW till not take any commands when
this happens, like pressing the meny button, if i in the crestron system change source to trinnov (hdmi 1) Pictures come but when i change back to UB900 same thing.
Anyone who has the same? (both the VW5000 and UB900 is upgraded to latest firmware)
I had the same problem with the Samsung UHD player but inverse. The menu was generating excessive, unnecessary info and constricting bandwidth by exceeding 18gbps. That meant the HDMI cable wasn't passing the signal due to bottleneck. When that happens, it manifests exactly as you described. Black screen and no menu function and no HDMI input display. My resolution was to change the color space in the Samsung menu back to Auto from 4:4:4. I don't know the panasonic menu, but if it is forcing a color space that isn't there, it might bottleneck the cable. Set it to auto if available. On Sony, set HDMI to enhanced. Hope you resolve it.

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Great option being discussed in Video Processor forum for HDR conversion when so desired https://www.avsforum.com/forum/37-vid...l#post48100873. This looks to be a great additional option for the 5000ES.
Just wish they would make them easier to be updated. And has the GUI been updated? Maybe the ways of updating our other components the past 5 years or so has me spoiled...

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5000ES 3D Ghosting Problem

Need some tips on how to reduce/eliminate ghosting on my 5000ES - running on out-of-the box Calib Preset (3D) - using recommended Sony 3D glasses - the ghosting is significant compared to 1100ES. Tips on tweaks appreciated....(I do have 4.301 update done of course)
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HDR indicator in information menu?

Gentlemen, I am a long-time lurker and first time poster.

I have been enjoying my 5000 for a couple of weeks, but have just started trying to figure out how to display HDR. I don't believe, however, that my Panasonic is outputting HDR to the projector. I say that for two reasons. While watching Life of Pi, the Panasonic indicates that it is playing back via HDMI "4K/24p SDR/BT.2020 YCbcr4:2:2/12 bit". And the new 4.301 software update is supposed to give an indicator in the projector information menu if HDR is being received, and I haven't seen such an indicator. I did turn HDR "on" in the expert menu. Same thing with the Roku when watching shows that are supposedly output in HDR--no indicator in the projector menu that HDR is being received.

Do others see the HDR indicator when playing HDR material? Why would the Panasonic not output HDR to the projector?
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