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Need some tips on how to reduce/eliminate ghosting on my 5000ES - running on out-of-the box Calib Preset (3D) - using recommended Sony 3D glasses - the ghosting is significant compared to 1100ES. Tips on tweaks appreciated....(I do have 4.301 update done of course)
We've only had good showings in 3D but will admit we haven't since the new update. We will soon though with Star Wars (new one) in 3D. Of course we use different glasses but that shouldn't have such a vast difference in viewing experiences.

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Gentlemen, I am a long-time lurker and first time poster.

I have been enjoying my 5000 for a couple of weeks, but have just started trying to figure out how to display HDR. I don't believe, however, that my Panasonic is outputting HDR to the projector. I say that for two reasons. While watching Life of Pi, the Panasonic indicates that it is playing back via HDMI "4K/24p SDR/BT.2020 YCbcr4:2:2/12 bit". And the new 4.301 software update is supposed to give an indicator in the projector information menu if HDR is being received, and I haven't seen such an indicator. I did turn HDR "on" in the expert menu. Same thing with the Roku when watching shows that are supposedly output in HDR--no indicator in the projector menu that HDR is being received.

Do others see the HDR indicator when playing HDR material? Why would the Panasonic not output HDR to the projector?
Do you have HDMI signal set to Enhanced?

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We've only had good showings in 3D but will admit we haven't since the new update. We will soon though with Star Wars (new one) in 3D. Of course we use different glasses but that shouldn't have such a vast difference in viewing experiences.
After scratching my head over severe 3D ghosting, nailed it down to the "3D Brightness" setting - if I select "Bright," there is severe ghosting and if I switch to "standard," there's zero ghosting!!
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Do you have HDMI signal set to Enhanced?
Yes, I do. BTW, I very much enjoyed reading your review(s) of the 5000. You've convinced me to switch from my 130 screen!
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Yes, I do. BTW, I very much enjoyed reading your review(s) of the 5000. You've convinced me to switch from my 130 screen!
Thank you.

Now the setting must be something in the pansasonic. There are a few of us here who use the Panny and have no issue. Oh and which HDMI cable are you using?

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We actually watched the UFC 205 fights tonight in 4K on DirecTV!
Here's to hoping they broadcast the Super Bowl the same...

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Now the setting must be something in the pansasonic. There are a few of us here who use the Panny and have no issue. Oh and which HDMI cable are you using?
I am not an installer or do-it-yourselfer, so sadly I don't know which HDMI cables my installer used. The installer will be out this week to look at the HDR issue. I was hoping it was an issue I could solve myself in the Panasonic or projector settings so I could have the weekend to experiment with HDR offerings! Except for the HDR issue, the system has been working flawlessly for three weeks, which is a relief given the issues I read about in this and the other 5000 thread. It has required great effort to leave my home theater room. Having bing-watched Bosch, Goliath, the Crown, Blaclist, Strange Things, and many of the 4K blu ray discs, I'm almost running out of 4K material! Fortunately, the upscaled high-def material looks great too. This is just a night and day improvement over my prior Wolf projector, which "emulated" 4K.
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I am not an installer or do-it-yourselfer, so sadly I don't know which HDMI cables my installer used. The installer will be out this week to look at the HDR issue. I was hoping it was an issue I could solve myself in the Panasonic or projector settings so I could have the weekend to experiment with HDR offerings! Except for the HDR issue, the system has been working flawlessly for three weeks, which is a relief given the issues I read about in this and the other 5000 thread. It has required great effort to leave my home theater room. Having bing-watched Bosch, Goliath, the Crown, Blaclist, Strange Things, and many of the 4K blu ray discs, I'm almost running out of 4K material! Fortunately, the upscaled high-def material looks great too. This is just a night and day improvement over my prior Wolf projector, which "emulated" 4K.
Yes, in the PJ settings, you still have to manually select BT.2020 Color Space - and I thought 4.301 fixed this - but not in my case - only then, did my "Contrast (HDR)" show-up.
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Yes, in the PJ settings, you still have to manually select BT.2020 Color Space - and I thought 4.301 fixed this - but not in my case - only then, did my "Contrast (HDR)" show-up.
RS3771, thanks for that tip. However, I'm still not sure whether the projector is receiving an HDR signal. Turning HDR on causes my "Contrast (HDR) to show up. Per your advice, I also manually selected the BT.2020 color space. However, I still don't get an indication in the information section of the projector menu that I am receiving an HDR signal. Isn't that supposed to show up with the new software? Also, when I select "Playback Info" on the Panasonic remote, the top row of the resulting graphic shows the disc as "3840x2160/24p HDR/BT.2020 YCbCr4:2:0/10bit HEVC," and the 3rd row, "HDMI VIDEO," shows "4K24p SDR/BT.2020 YCbCr4:2:2/12bit". (haven't figured out how to attach a picture of the screen). Bottom line: does that mean the Panasonic is not outputting HDR to the projector?
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It looks like your panny doesn't output HDR to the Sony. It is most likely a HDMI cable issue or HDMI settings in your player. Did you try putting the players HDMI setting to YCbCr 4:4:4? If you do, do you get a signal/picture? If you don't then you need to try another cable.
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RS3771, thanks for that tip. However, I'm still not sure whether the projector is receiving an HDR signal. Turning HDR on causes my "Contrast (HDR) to show up. Per your advice, I also manually selected the BT.2020 color space. However, I still don't get an indication in the information section of the projector menu that I am receiving an HDR signal. Isn't that supposed to show up with the new software? Also, when I select "Playback Info" on the Panasonic remote, the top row of the resulting graphic shows the disc as "3840x2160/24p HDR/BT.2020 YCbCr4:2:0/10bit HEVC," and the 3rd row, "HDMI VIDEO," shows "4K24p SDR/BT.2020 YCbCr4:2:2/12bit". (haven't figured out how to attach a picture of the screen). Bottom line: does that mean the Panasonic is not outputting HDR to the projector?
Just checked - mine wasn't showing "HDR" either in the PJ Info. -went into Panny and found that the "High Dynamic Range" setting was set to "Off" instead of "Auto" - that pretty much fixed it. Was able to see some "HDR-lite" on a 13.5 ft wide image - set the Contrast (HDR) to around 30 and the Advanced Iris to 100 - the image looked ultra-crisp......
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We actually watched the UFC 205 fights tonight in 4K on DirecTV!
Here's to hoping they broadcast the Super Bowl the same...

Off topic. How did you get the pic of the screen? Camera, tripod, settings. It's awesome!

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Just checked - mine wasn't showing "HDR" either in the PJ Info. -went into Panny and found that the "High Dynamic Range" setting was set to "Off" instead of "Auto" - that pretty much fixed it. Was able to see some "HDR-lite" on a 13.5 ft wide image - set the Contrast (HDR) to around 30 and the Advanced Iris to 100 - the image looked ultra-crisp......
This is the height of frustration. I made sure the Panny HDR setting was on auto, and I set YCbCr to 4:4:4. I get a picture, a pretty good one. But the Panny indicates it is outputting SDR/BT.709 (assuming the third row of information on the "playback info" screen shows what is being output via the HDMI connection), and PJ info does not show HDR.
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We actually watched the UFC 205 fights tonight in 4K on DirecTV!
Here's to hoping they broadcast the Super Bowl the same...

Actually it's from an iPhone 7 Plus. We had people over so I didn't want to be rude and pause it so I snapped a quick pic. Motion again was terrific. Colors too!


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We will soon though with Star Wars (new one) in 3D.
Bought it in Europe and watched it on Sunday. Best 3d experience ever. Simply amazing !!
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Just wish they would make them easier to be updated. And has the GUI been updated? Maybe the ways of updating our other components the past 5 years or so has me spoiled...
Joe, updating the Pro is very easy using a USB cable. Better via Ethernet I agree and GUI is not good looking, but it's quite easy to navigate.
For me it was a necessary addition as my Trinnov Altitude has no HDCP 2.x IO. With all the recent firmware updates(and the right cables) the Radiance Pro works really well. I have HDR from the Strato and the Panny. And after spending some time calibrating the VW5000, the image is really stunning.
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Joe, updating the Pro is very easy using a USB cable. Better via Ethernet I agree and GUI is not good looking, but it's quite easy to navigate.
For me it was a necessary addition as my Trinnov Altitude has no HDCP 2.x IO. With all the recent firmware updates(and the right cables) the Radiance Pro works really well. I have HDR from the Strato and the Panny. And after spending some time calibrating the VW5000, the image is really stunning.
I almost bought one early spring of this year but it's a tough sell for me at its price. I have a MX160 with 8 HDMI inputs and 4 outs. I can run everything through it and then send the image to my 5000 and then to the bar and or restroom. Maybe if they come out with a mini version with a couple ins and a coup,e outs. The image looks terrific especially with UHD. As for DirecTV the pic above shows how great it looks as well in 4K. The only other DirecTV we watch are football games. Yes I am sure the Lumagen could help with fast moving sports a little but we are still seeing the best football ever in the basement these days. Maybe one day I will try one...

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I almost bought one early spring of this year but it's a tough sell for me at its price. I have a MX160 with 8 HDMI inputs and 4 outs. I can run everything through it and then send the image to my 5000 and then to the bar and or restroom. Maybe if they come out with a mini version with a couple ins and a coup,e outs. The image looks terrific especially with UHD. As for DirecTV the pic above shows how great it looks as well in 4K. The only other DirecTV we watch are football games. Yes I am sure the Lumagen could help with fast moving sports a little but we are still seeing the best football ever in the basement these days. Maybe one day I will try one...
Joe, happened to see this. I don't know if this is sufficient for you, but there actually is a limited I/O version of the Radiance Pro. Check out their 4240 and 4242 series - either two or four inputs and two processed outputs.

http://lumagen.com/testindex.php?mod...ncepro_details
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Joe, happened to see this. I don't know if this is sufficient for you, but there actually is is a limited I/O version of the Radiance Pro. Check out their 4240 and 4242 series - either two or four inputs and two processed outputs.

http://lumagen.com/testindex.php?mod...ncepro_details
Thank you. Definitely will.

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You use the 160 and 5000....are you using a PS4 Pro? I cannot get it to pass HDR through the 160, only SDR. If I connect direct to the projector, the Pro reports 24/4k HDR availability....

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Actually I am not but it is on my Christmas list. We better let them know at McIntosh.

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I did - let's see

If I pass through the Lumagen AND THEN set the PS4 Pro to 2160 YUV, the PS4 Pro reports 2k/4K HDR. I can even pass through the 160 to the 5000 this way and it works

Connected directly to the 5000, it does auto connect at 2160 YUV, but no
HDR

Sony does seem be having some issue with hdr on the PS4 Pro so who knows where this issue lies
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Are there any simple test patterns to adjust the brightness/contrast properly for 4K HDR without the need of professional equipment? I don't think there is a disc available for this, like DVE. Yes, there are some downloadable files on the net but AFAIK they are not easy to use and you can not play most of them.
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Anyone watching DVDs with the 5000/ Lumagen Pro after both have been firmware updated ?


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What's your impression of HDR movies after update on your large screen?

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What's your impression of HDR movies after update on your large screen?

It's my opinion ,based on how I've gotten to love 30fL or more over the years, that we need 8 to 10,000 lumens to get what HDR is intended to do on a 14' wide screen. Since I'm going with a 16' wide screen soon, HDR isn't really in the offing with the 5000, YMMV.


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What brand/model of 3D glasses are best with the 5000ES?
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Has anyone else seen Star Wars 3D which came out on Tuesday yet?

It may be a while, but I'm waiting for UHD...I wasn't that thrilled with the movie to double dip, and I've given up on 3D years ago...
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One of the best 3D presentations to date. Rivals Avatar in many scenes. We had a roomful of guests who were loving it. And when the Star Destroyer looked as if it was coming in the room for a few seconds.... reminded me of the potato cod fish from Under The Sea.

I had purchased it on day one when it came out from Target in its exclusive packaging. Never opened it. Returned it week ago and they gave me a full refund. Then I purchased the 3D version. This was the first time we've seen it since it was in theaters...

And yes lately I have been favoring 4K over 3D but it's movies like this that still remind us there are still kick butt presentations in 3D. Combining the eye candy with the butt kickers (which made us feel like we were in the Mellinium Falcon with them) reminds us how fun 3D can be!
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