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What brand/model of 3D glasses are best with the 5000ES?

I'd appreciate if someone could reply. Thx
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I'd appreciate if someone could reply. Thx


I'm not ignoring you, I just have no use for 3D.


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Sony TDG-BT500A / TDG-BT400A Active 3d Glasses for 2013 or Later Sony TV

These work fine with the VW5000.


Amazon sells them, prices ranges from 30 - 40.00USD each. They have a replaceable battery, which I like better than rechargeable ones.
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I'm not ignoring you, I just have no use for 3D.


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I also don't have much interest in 3D but want to try how it looks with the 5000

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Sony TDG-BT500A / TDG-BT400A Active 3d Glasses for 2013 or Later Sony TV

These work fine with the VW5000.


Amazon sells them, prices ranges from 30 - 40.00USD each. They have a replaceable battery, which I like better than rechargeable ones.

Thank You. I buy a few of those and try.
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Anyone has experience or knowns the min distance to a wall in the back?

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I'd appreciate if someone could reply. Thx
I have ordered and received these:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=ATVPDKIKX0DER

and these:
https://www.amazon.com/Hi-SHOCK-rech...+glasses&psc=1

but I didn't have time to try them. I will revert.
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Happy Thanksgiving to all. I am hoping another 5000ES owner can help me with what I have been noticing frequently lately.

On certain Bluray 1080P and 4K Discs I am noticing what appears to be video noise, or possibly film grain. I am not sure if the 5000ES digitalizes the film grain look to appear more like video noise. For instance I watched the Infiltrator Bluray and certain scenes such as chapter 7 the background was filled with appeared to be video noise all throughout the image. I also noticed some video noise around the faces in the 4K UHD disc Central Intelligence. The actual playback sources are Oppop 103 and Panasonic UHD respectively.

Other sources such as Roku Ultra 4K 60, Netlix House of cards is clear as a whistle with 0 video noise.

Perhaps I need to adjsut some of the settings in the 5000ES based on source ?

I am really puzzled by this. I did not notice this with my Titan 660 3D DLP 1080P.
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So who else is checking out Suicide Squad Ultra 4K on the 5000?

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Happy Thanksgiving to all. I am hoping another 5000ES owner can help me with what I have been noticing frequently lately.

On certain Bluray 1080P and 4K Discs I am noticing what appears to be video noise, or possibly film grain. I am not sure if the 5000ES digitalizes the film grain look to appear more like video noise. For instance I watched the Infiltrator Bluray and certain scenes such as chapter 7 the background was filled with appeared to be video noise all throughout the image. I also noticed some video noise around the faces in the 4K UHD disc Central Intelligence. The actual playback sources are Oppop 103 and Panasonic UHD respectively.

Other sources such as Roku Ultra 4K 60, Netlix House of cards is clear as a whistle with 0 video noise.

Perhaps I need to adjsut some of the settings in the 5000ES based on source ?

I am really puzzled by this. I did not notice this with my Titan 660 3D DLP 1080P.

Two questions:


1) Can you get images that are closer to the screen and or higher resolution ?
2) Did you watch these titles in UHD on your Titan to compare ?
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Two questions:


1) Can you get images that are closer to the screen and or higher resolution ?
2) Did you watch these titles in UHD on your Titan to compare ?
Sorry about my photography skills. I am downloading a few shots from Star Trek Into Darkness that I just watched. I can point to a specific scene for instance at 1:48:49 against the lavender background either really bad video noise or grain, then another scene starting 1:51:20 look at left great panel it's filled with noise/banding. I'll include photos but I'm not very good at screen shots.

Titan has not been in use for 8 months and is packed up and sold so never actually compared UHD just from memory
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I see grain but also quite a bit of posterization going on there as well. Interestingly, I see many instances where a 4K has it and many that have none anywhere . Not sure if it is peculiar to the Sony or the transfer.






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Has any one matched up a new Oppo model 203 to the Sony 5000 projector yet?
What can you report?

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Sorry about my photography skills. I am downloading a few shots from Star Trek Into Darkness that I just watched. I can point to a specific scene for instance at 1:48:49 against the lavender background either really bad video noise or grain, then another scene starting 1:51:20 look at left great panel it's filled with noise/banding. I'll include photos but I'm not very good at screen shots.

Titan has not been in use for 8 months and is packed up and sold so never actually compared UHD just from memory
That looks a lot like the banding and posterization that all the other 4K SXRD projectors have. From what I've been told, it's a limitation of the panel driver, aka the device that feeds the SXRD panel information. I've personally seen it on the 1000ES, 1100ES, a 600ES, and two 665ES units. It isn't there on their 1080p .61" SXRD projectors. It's not always visible from a normal seated distance (~1.5-2.0 screen widths away), but it can be with the right material. This is one of the big deal breakers for me with these 4K units. Once I noticed it, I couldn't stop noticing it. It's something that is always present in the image with some types of content looking worse than others and certain picture modes make it look worse than others too. But there is no combination of menu settings or image mode that will completely get rid of it. I'm really hoping to see Sony fix this issue. Some reports say they've switched to new adhesives with the SXRD panels in the 665ES and 675ES to halt issues with panel degredation so I hope they tackle this issue next.
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Anyone having very long load times with the new Oppo 203 4K player and the Sony 5000ES projector.
I get sound about 12 seconds after starting a 4K discs, but no picture until an additional 45 seconds just to the main menu, select play, and wait another 30 to 45 seconds to get picture and sound.?
I have latest firmware on both units.
once picture and sound is playing the picture is very good with no issues.
Just very long start times, also tried several 4K discs. same results.
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I'll be trying the 203 shortly, hooking it up later today, but that is much longer than the already long delay when changing inputs (that is supposed to be reduced in a future update). I'll see what I get and report back.




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I admit I haven't been in the theater much as of late but will definitely be hanging out in it this entire weekend with family coming in this afternoon. I will experiment more with the 203. I have it and the Sammy connected right now. With the twins theater movie nights have come to a screeching halt.

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I'll be trying the 203 shortly, hooking it up later today, but that is much longer than the already long delay when changing inputs (that is supposed to be reduced in a future update). I'll see what I get and report back.




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Jim,
What are your 4K UHD disc load times, sound and picture?
Mine are terrible long, round 45 sec.
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I'd be interested most in comparisons to the Panasonic since I've found it to be a great UHD player all around.


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I've had the new Oppo in my system for about a week now. I give the Oppo a slight preference for UHD HDR.I prefer the out of box default settings on the Oppo over the Panasonic. For SDR conversion and Rec2020 the Panasonic is tops as the Oppo has some significant HDR to SDR conversion issues which will be addressed with a future firmware upgrade. I am running both players through The Radiance Pro. The Radiance Pro will shortly be able to perform what appears to be some very intricate HDR Tone Mapping, and also HDR to SDR conversion. I anticipate the Radiance Pro and the Oppo 203 will be a perfect match come January.
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Jim,
What are your 4K UHD disc load times, sound and picture?
Mine are terrible long, round 45 sec.
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I'm experiencing 52 to 56 seconds, pressing Play to image appearing on screen, with the 203. I get the audio portion playing at 43 seconds. Appears to be both the 5000 and the 203 affecting these times. The 52 to 56 times are based on playback of 3 4K movies (Mag.7, Mrs. Peregrine's Home for PC, and Lucy). Hopefully we'll get an update to the 5000 that will reduce that somewhat, but I think much of the delay is in the 203.

Art, I also played the same movies through the Panny, tough call, I thought The Mag. 7 looked a little better on the Panny, and the others were about even. My feeling is that, at least in regards to the 203, Oppo hasn't really separated itself from the competition (Panny only, haven't seen the Samsung), but perhaps future updates will improve their image quality.


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That looks a lot like the banding and posterization that all the other 4K SXRD projectors have. From what I've been told, it's a limitation of the panel driver, aka the device that feeds the SXRD panel information. I've personally seen it on the 1000ES, 1100ES, a 600ES, and two 665ES units. It isn't there on their 1080p .61" SXRD projectors. It's not always visible from a normal seated distance (~1.5-2.0 screen widths away), but it can be with the right material. This is one of the big deal breakers for me with these 4K units. Once I noticed it, I couldn't stop noticing it. It's something that is always present in the image with some types of content looking worse than others and certain picture modes make it look worse than others too. But there is no combination of menu settings or image mode that will completely get rid of it. I'm really hoping to see Sony fix this issue. Some reports say they've switched to new adhesives with the SXRD panels in the 665ES and 675ES to halt issues with panel degredation so I hope they tackle this issue next.
Has anyone else noticed this? Considering that this is the 5000 thread, does the 5000 have it? I would be shocked if it did!
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Has anyone else noticed this? Considering that this is the 5000 thread, does the 5000 have it? I would be shocked if it did!
I have talked to one other owner. He says he's seeing the same thing LJG is on his unit. The SXRD panel is 12 bit, but from I was told the display driver feeding the panel information is what's causing the issue. That is what seems to be the limiting factor here. It isn't something you can clearly see from a normal seated distance. But on occasion, if you have decent vision, you can make it out, especially the banding and not so much the posterization. The former occurring less often from what I've seen compared to the latter. If you were to walk up to your screen however you should be able to see it pretty easily if you pause a movie and look. It's especially apparent anytime there are swaths of similar colored content on screen in the same area of the picture. If they have indeed fixed the degradation issue, I hope they tackle this next.
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I have both the Oppo and the Panny model and will publish my report soon. I also need to say Magnificent 7 UHD looked terrific. I think it is safe to say we have crossed the movie illusion affect since the image looks so good you pretty much see or feel the set as they are filming. My family was very amazed just how well the 5000 performed with both movies and some of the NFL games we had on earlier on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. Great weekend for the 5000ES.
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I have both the Oppo and the Panny model and will publish my report soon....
I look forward to your report. Can you please pay special attention to Seegs108's comments? I am surprised that Doug Blackburn did not mention it in his review, which I assume he would have, had he noticed it. I can't imagine spending $50k on the 5000 and having to deal with this..
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I look forward to your report. Can you please pay special attention to Seegs108's comments? I am surprised that Doug Blackburn did not mention it in his review, which I assume he would have, had he noticed it. I can't imagine spending $50k on the 5000 and having to deal with this..
I don't generally pay special attention to any of his comments. It usually leads to trouble and I am sure he would be the first to agree with me. My 5000ES has been rock solid and we have never noticed any anomalies. Motion, sharpness, convergence and colors are beautifully rendered. I only regret we haven't been down there as much lately taking care of the twins. Can't wait to watch Disney movies with them one day.

Lastly, I am sure the 5000ES is not the end all be all of projectors but to our eyes it comes pretty darn close...
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I look forward to your report. Can you please pay special attention to Seegs108's comments? I am surprised that Doug Blackburn did not mention it in his review, which I assume he would have, had he noticed it. I can't imagine spending $50k on the 5000 and having to deal with this..
It's there it's not just my unit, hopefully Sony will address this.
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Did you just notice it after the last firmware then?

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Yes before and after firmware.
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I don't generally pay special attention to any of his comments. It usually leads to trouble and I am sure he would be the first to agree with me. My 5000ES has been rock solid and we have never noticed any anomalies. Motion, sharpness, convergence and colors are beautifully rendered. I only regret we haven't been down there as much lately taking care of the twins. Can't wait to watch Disney movies with them one day.

Lastly, I am sure the 5000ES is not the end all be all of projectors but to our eyes it comes pretty darn close...
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