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Nice to hear you got that sorted out Lon.....




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It was nearly 8 months old with about 1100 hours, It had to due with color tones and some very bad digital noise, I believe the problem was present from the start just very hard to identify correctly.
Wow - this is really interesting. I have really bad digital noise on my unit as well - most of the 1080p blurays I throw at it using Oppo-103 or the Panny UHD player look worse than a DVD (relative to how they looked using 1100ES) - while some look really good. Now, Sully and Shallows 4K UHD playback was flawless - so, is all 3D stuff - digital noise occurs only in 1080p blurays (including 1080p playback from Strato) and many UHD blurays. Anyways, I've scratched my head enough over this and having a calibrator come down to look at it in a week - will let you guys know how that goes. I don't think I've put even 100 hours on mine.....
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This is a question for Lon, do you have Asphalt Jungle BD. If yes, it is quite grainy in places but has some grain almost everywhere. Take a look at it with your present settings and tell my what you see on your 5000. Personally, I think it looks fantastic. Just a question since it is a great film.


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HI Art:

Just watched this last night, very grainy indeed, but all in all looks fantastic. Just curious what settings you use for such a grainy film? Did you happen to get the lawyers first name?
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HI Art:

Just watched this last night, very grainy indeed, but all in all looks fantastic. Just curious what settings you use for such a grainy film? Did you happen to get the lawyers first name?

Lon,
Sorry I missed this I'm in the middle of renovating one of my offices and my theater is torn up so I was not only crazy busy but also no way to check the settings. I'm glad you had the chance to watch Asphalt Jungle since as I watched it I noticed that it was quite grainy and not everywhere but I saw nothing that looked like video noise so I was hoping this would help distinguish what was happening. Now that you got it straightened out anyway at least it was a decent film.
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Roland, can you give us the executive summary? Just curious how the Epson made out as it is the only one that would be a match for my smallish screen. It's no secret the Sony is awesome and it sounds like the JVC is pretty good too on certain size screens.

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To test the 5000's sharpness and to ensure it is devoid of producing excess noise, (other than the tried and true Oblivion and Lucy), Bone Tomahawk is one of the most consistently sharp, noise free images I have seen.

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Watched The Accountant in 4K on the 5000 and noticed video noise from time-to-time - bypassing the Radiance Pro - similar problem as with Jason Bourne 4K and the Magnificent Seven 4K while Sully 4K was flawless. Deepwater Horizon 4K PQ also seemed fine - not sure if others have observed this as well. Not sure what makes the 5000 show video noise with certain content and not others. I don't recall seeing video noise even once with the 1100ES I enjoyed for 3 years...
Did the noise go away bypassing the Lumagen? I watched a movie recently and it was very noisy on the VW675ES I have, the noise did not appear on my JVC RS600 switching back and forth. Wish I could remember the movie , regardless it was the only time his ever happened.

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HI Art:

Just watched this last night, very grainy indeed, but all in all looks fantastic. Just curious what settings you use for such a grainy film? Did you happen to get the lawyers first name?
Hey Lon,

I haven't watched Asphalt Jungle yet on my 5000 (great film) but have noticed a lot of the Criterion Blu-rays have an inordinate amount of mosquito noise, which drives me _crazy_! Takes me right out of the movie. It's definitely not film grain either. Anyway, I find that turning on both MPEG NR & NR either to Low or sometimes Middle (though Middle is too aggressive most times) and then increasing sharpness to about 60 or 65, makes the issue bearable. (I run sharpness at 40 as my reference, btw).

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Just about finished with the upgrades after visiting Rob I felt I needed something better. Due to ceiling height constraints and some appreciated advice from Gary Lightfoot I decided to go with a 16' wide vistascope rather than a directors choice. I will use the second row for 2.35:1 and the front row for 1.33:1 and 1.78:1. Atmos with the Trinnov processor and JBL synthesis speakers including the M2 LCRs. I'm not audiophile but good enough for Rob good enough for me.

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Room Looks bigger too.Congrats Art.Enjoy.
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Room Looks bigger too.Congrats Art.Enjoy.

Thanks very much Peter ! As I said, this was an interim change that allowed a pretty big improvement without total gutting and starting over as you and I had chatted about.


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I'd like to know which value of RC some of you have set. I set Resolution 30 , Noise 10...The effect is just visible but not disturbing, if I set 40 or 50 the image becomes over-processed and excessively grainy (artificially grainy).
Shouldn't RC works to scale lower resolution stream to fill 4K panel? Why DVD or BD signal fill 4K panel if I set RC to OFF?
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I'd like to know which value of RC some of you have set. I set Resolution 30 , Noise 10...The effect is just visible but not disturbing, if I set 40 or 50 the image becomes over-processed and excessively grainy (artificially grainy).
Shouldn't RC works to scale lower resolution stream to fill 4K panel? Why DVD or BD signal fill 4K panel if I set RC to OFF?

I hate to say this but Wolfgang knows more about this than the rest of us and he left the forum unfortunately. I think that, as you have noted, some trial and error is needed to find the most appealing level. Wolfgang did say, in his other thread, that off is too low and that something around 30 for reality creation resolution is optimal. The noise reduction value is also given in that thread some place.




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Just about finished with the upgrades after visiting Rob I felt I needed something better. Due to ceiling height constraints and some appreciated advice from Gary Lightfoot I decided to go with a 16' wide vistascope rather than a directors choice. I will use the second row for 2.35:1 and the front row for 1.33:1 and 1.78:1. Atmos with the Trinnov processor and JBL synthesis speakers including the M2 LCRs. I'm not audiophile but good enough for Rob good enough for me.
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The big deal for me Rob is the incredible clarity. I noticed in the first few second that the dialog intelligibility was significantly superior to anything that I'd experienced in my theater before.



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The big deal for me Rob is the incredible clarity. I noticed in the first few second that the dialog intelligibility was significantly superior to anything that I'd experienced in my theater before.

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Exactly. And without any harshness too. With the Trinnov you can also design separate curves and save them as presets which is really helpful for some movies that have aggressive soundtracks. These presets can be recalled on your phone really easily. But that's for another thread.

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Hi Art,

Are they cutting through that new screen material with out much degradation? What's the gain on that material? I don't have my Seymour EN4K up yet. Happy with the tune job and light output on the 16'? Room looks great by the way!


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Are they cutting through that new screen material with out much degradation? What's the gain on that material? I don't have my Seymour EN4K up yet. Happy with the tune job and light output on the 16'? Room looks great by the way!

Thanks !Yes, in fact this is the best audio so far from my theater. I decided for now to go with Studiotech 130 so I'm getting 27fL on the 16' wide screen. Quite remarkable ! Not a great deal of experience yet only had it up for two evenings so far.


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Exactly. And without any harshness too. With the Trinnov you can also design separate curves and save them as presets which is really helpful for some movies that have aggressive soundtracks. These presets can be recalled on your phone really easily. But that's for another thread.

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Thanks Rob, no doubt lots to learn yet.



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Exactly. And without any harshness too. With the Trinnov you can also design separate curves and save them as presets which is really helpful for some movies that have aggressive soundtracks. These presets can be recalled on your phone really easily. But that's for another thread.

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I was fine with the Datasat RS20i but I have been very happy with the McIntosh MX160 and the flexibility it brings to my set up. I will say I am very intrigued with the new Trinnov 16 model coming out later this year.

As for the 5000 we watched Arrival this weekend at it was top notch!


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Are they cutting through that new screen material with out much degradation? What's the gain on that material? I don't have my Seymour EN4K up yet. Happy with the tune job and light output on the 16'? Room looks great by the way!
Great! How far away are those M2's from the back of the perf?
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I was fine with the Datasat RS20i but I have been very happy with the McIntosh MX160 and the flexibility it brings to my set up. I will say I am very intrigued with the new Trinnov 16 model coming out later this year.

As for the 5000 we watched Arrival this weekend at it was top notch!

We almost went with the Datastat which is an excellent unit. But the Trinnov 32 and a bunch of Lakes ended up as the winners.

We also just saw Arrival on the 5000 (with a 19' screen) - pretty impressive!

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Great! How far away are those M2's from the back of the perf?

Not sure actually. We moved the screen forward a bit this time so I'll have to get back to you on that.


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Art, congrats on an excellent upgrade - I might have to finally make a trip up to see and hear it all!! So much new for you... I'm sure you're way happy!

Goodbye to a great audio and video genius and writer... JOHN GANNON. I enjoyed your friendship, wit and a nice long run we took around Indianapolis at CEDIA years back... and for buying my Runco 980 Ultra years back... you saved my ass! Rest in peace.
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As for the 5000 we watched Arrival this weekend at it was top notch!

I watched The Arrival(4K) last weekend and thought the movie was too dark with poor shadow detail. I checked the Blu-Ray and thought it looked about the same. I also thought the movie was a bit of a ripoff from Slaughterhouse-Five which was a much better movie.

Watched Nocturnal Animals last night on standard Blu-Ray and thought the cinematography was much better and overall a much better looking transfer. It was also a very good movie with 2 endings.
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The big deal for me Rob is the incredible clarity. I noticed in the first few second that the dialog intelligibility was significantly superior to anything that I'd experienced in my theater before.



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See - you are an audiophile! Lol, congrats on your upgrades. I can't see your pictures, just a little placeholder. Or maybe it's my web browser.

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