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There is a new FW out for the 885, and I believe thoughts were the tone mapping was improved... likely similar to the 995’s tone mapping improvements.

Hopefully this means we are getting closer to the new 5000 FW with more substantial improvements. If anyone has heard anything on this or has an updated eta, please post.
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I also get the left green line very rarely, maybe once every 3-4 weeks at most. I simply power off and back on the projector and all is fine! I do have a Radiance Pro but I don't know that its the issue at all.


I have Lumagen Pro and I’ve believed the green line to be Lumagen related. Off/On seems to remedy for me also.


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I'm curious. Can everyone who gets a green line please post a pic? I think if enough of us document this perhaps Sony can address it in a firmware update.
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I have Lumagen Pro and I’ve believed the green line to be Lumagen related. Off/On seems to remedy for me also.


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Of the Lumagen or the Sony ?

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I thought it was a result of something the Lumagen was doing not the 5000. That was just my perception didn’t really investigate as it happened pretty infrequently and on/off of my system always fixed.


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I get the green line periodically with my 5000 and my Lumagen. I can get rid of it by either switching inputs or do an HDMI resync with the Lumagen.

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It comes with a temp probe that I placed directly behind the rear exhaust fans of Sony . You can set the temp on the fan controller to turn them on and off based on temp but I set the temp high enough that they are always on .
Thanks so much!! I originally had the probe at the front where the air intake happens but moved it to the rear where the exhaust happens and now the projector never gets above 80c! Gotta love this forum!!
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Thanks so much!! I originally had the probe at the front where the air intake happens but moved it to the rear where the exhaust happens and now the projector never gets above 80c! Gotta love this forum!!

I hope you mean Fahrenheit.


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VW5000 arrived

My VW5000 arrived yesterday, wow this thing really is a beast! Funny that I knew the size and weight, yet it still seems bigger than my minds eye expectations. Fortunately this is going on a dedicated shelf at the back of my room long throw instead of my usual mid theater ceiling mounts of the past . I cannot image having to mount this on the ceiling .


Can anyone offer the best start up settings to start when coupled with a Lumagen Pro ? I do have a Paladin DCR but will not use this initially , just want to set up for now to check the convergence and lens focus to ensure all is in good order.

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There is a new FW out for the 885, and I believe thoughts were the tone mapping was improved... likely similar to the 995’s tone mapping improvements.

Hopefully this means we are getting closer to the new 5000 FW with more substantial improvements. If anyone has heard anything on this or has an updated eta, please post.

Hey @G-Rex , what is the most current firmware ? I set mine up today just to check panel convergence and for lens focus only, didn't think about checking the firmware version on board. This is a new unit but it's probably a couple years old , the firmware could very well be an older version. I have to update the Lumagen as well , I'm sure the dynamic tone mapping adds a significant level of improvement for HDR content. Bloody thing is a beast, putting this high on a shelf alone was not an easy task .

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Hey @G-Rex , what is the most current firmware ? I set mine up today just to check panel convergence and for lens focus only, didn't think about checking the firmware version on board. This is a new unit but it's probably a couple years old , the firmware could very well be an older version. I have to update the Lumagen as well , I'm sure the dynamic tone mapping adds a significant level of improvement for HDR content. Bloody thing is a beast, putting this high on a shelf alone was not an easy task .

Latest firmware version is 4.700

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I am one FW behind, as the last FW was an incremental improvement, (mainly for Apple 4k TV). I am waiting for the imminent release of the next FW, which should have additional improvements. Perhaps another member could post the last FW #, as many decided to do the last update.
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I am one FW behind, as the last FW was an incremental improvement, (mainly for Apple 4k TV). I am waiting for the imminent release of the next FW, which should have additional improvements. Perhaps another member could post the last FW #, as many decided to do the last update.
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I hope you mean Fahrenheit.


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My VW5000 arrived yesterday, wow this thing really is a beast! Funny that I knew the size and weight, yet it still seems bigger than my minds eye expectations. Fortunately this is going on a dedicated shelf at the back of my room long throw instead of my usual mid theater ceiling mounts of the past . I cannot image having to mount this on the ceiling .


Can anyone offer the best start up settings to start when coupled with a Lumagen Pro ? I do have a Paladin DCR but will not use this initially , just want to set up for now to check the convergence and lens focus to ensure all is in good order.
Hey there.

Congrats on the 5000. That thing is a beast.

They should be releasing a pretty decent firmware for those soon I would say, with some decent improvements.

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Hey there.

Congrats on the 5000. That thing is a beast.

They should be releasing a pretty decent firmware for those soon I would say, with some decent improvements.

Enjoy it in your new theatre.

It's a beast indeed , at least double the size of the VW885 , but what was surprising, that it is nearly as quiet too . I didn't go above 80% laser, in fact had to turn this down to 60% in the end to match the levels I had with the VW885 . Obviously brighter overall though on a small screen it's nearly identical image wise and appears to have the same level of performance . Even with the DCI filter in place it's so much brighter, once I get this on a 150" diagonal scope reference screen ( 1.0 gain) , mounted long throw, calibrated and the lumagen upgraded with dynamic tone mapping I should see another level of improvement . First I need a theater, currently a work in progress .



For those that have the VW5000 I have a question . Can you disable the auto convergence in the service menu like the VW885/995? I was trying to view 4K patterns, with panel convergence set to auto the moire pattern shows up in 4K patterns . Can someone explain how to turn this off? I assumed it was the same as the method with the VW885 but I cannot seem to access the service menu .


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I was very skeptical when I put that Sony5000 beast in a tight hush box , but so far never had a thermal shutdown even with non stop 10 hr viewing of hdr content
Just wondering what the ideal temperature is for inside the hush box? What would be the ideal intake air temperature range for the projector.

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It's a beast indeed , at least double the size of the VW885 , but what was surprising, that it is nearly as quiet too . I didn't go above 80% laser, in fact had to turn this down to 60% in the end to match the levels I had with the VW885 . Obviously brighter overall though on a small screen it's nearly identical image wise and appears to have the same level of performance . Even with the DCI filter in place it's so much brighter, once I get this on a 150" diagonal scope reference screen ( 1.0 gain) , mounted long throw, calibrated and the lumagen upgraded with dynamic tone mapping I should see another level of improvement . First I need a theater, currently a work in progress .



For those that have the VW5000 I have a question . Can you disable the auto convergence in the service menu like the VW885/995? I was trying to view 4K patterns, with panel convergence set to auto the moire pattern shows up in 4K patterns . Can someone explain how to turn this off? I assumed it was the same as the method with the VW885 but I cannot seem to access the service menu .


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Why don't you just shut off convergence in the main Sony menu? This should be similar to setting the convergence to 0,0,0,0... regardless.

I see no reason you need to go into the service menu.

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For those that have the VW5000 I have a question . Can you disable the auto convergence in the service menu like the VW885/995? I was trying to view 4K patterns, with panel convergence set to auto the moire pattern shows up in 4K patterns . Can someone explain how to turn this off? I assumed it was the same as the method with the VW885 but I cannot seem to access the service menu .
That is a good question.
As they all use the same panels etc, it is logical to assume that Sony apply the same zone convergence in the factory as the other models.

I would want to turn that off too as it has improved the image on every 4K Sony I have had.

Does the normal procedure for getting into the service menu not work then?

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There is a new FW out for the 885, and I believe thoughts were the tone mapping was improved... likely similar to the 995’s tone mapping improvements.

Hopefully this means we are getting closer to the new 5000 FW with more substantial improvements. If anyone has heard anything on this or has an updated eta, please post.

Multiple sources, including Sony reps have suggested a substantial firmware update is coming for the VW5000, now that I own one I certainly hope they are accurate , fingers crossed this rumor pans out.The rumor the iris may be activated is highly unlikely, realistically, it will have very little impact anyway . Maybe the DFO feature will be added and most of the other improvements as provided to the latest model the VW995. These projectors already have great contrast , but depending on the scene it's not always consistent the way algorithms are applied . Hoping they have improved the way contrast is manipulated that being more dynamic in nature with a little more aggressive emphasis on some intermediate scenes. Personally, I expect DTM from the Lumagen to address most of this , the current algorithms of all the Sony lasers to me is inconsistent, the lumagen should substantially help out in this area .



I understood this update was forthcoming earlier in the new year, if it doesn't materialize soon it may not show up at all . If a new model to replace the VW5000 was coming we may never see any update otherwise they are shooting themselves in the foot . Well, I have not heard rumors of a new projector , with CEDIA only 3 1/2 months out you would think something would have leaked by now. Something is not adding up .

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That is a good question.
As they all use the same panels etc, it is logical to assume that Sony apply the same zone convergence in the factory as the other models.

I would want to turn that off too as it has improved the image on every 4K Sony I have had.

Does the normal procedure for getting into the service menu not work then?

I cannot access the service menu like the VW885/995 but there is an option to turn off the auto convergence . I though it was turned off but combined with the firmware update it may have been cycled back on . I'll have to check turning off auto convergence

again when I get a chance, with it left on the same moire pattern is visible within 4K test patterns . I'll have another look later today, I expect the menu option will disable auto convergence .



Auto convergence has never affected dynamic content, on or off the image is the same. It does throw off 4K "static" patterns though, once I have tested as necessary, leaving this on or off has never impacted the dynamic image in any way I could realize and I looked very critically back and forth . Now if convergence is off for any reason the image will be softer, that would be the only reason I would notice a difference . Triple panels will always be softer than a single chip regardless how well convergence is set up
and single chip projectors like the LK990 will always be perceptibly sharper .

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Does the 5000es support 3D SBS?
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Does the 5000es support 3D SBS?
NVM, I found it in the manual (who ever reads those things anymore?!!). So yes, the 5000 supports side by side 3D which puts my ATV into play for my 3D collection on Vudu!!
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NVM, I found it in the manual (who ever reads those things anymore?!!). So yes, the 5000 supports side by side 3D which puts my ATV into play for my 3D collection on Vudu!!

Well now I know what SBS stands for , just don't understand what you are doing . Is this a so called dual projector setup like Arts , just SBS instead of a stack where one is on top the second below ? I personally have about fifty 3D titles that I still
enjoy from time to time. HDR with appropriate tone mapping is a close second to great 3D , problem is there is not a lot of "great" 3D nowadays. At least with this new VW5000 I should have , finally, enough light to overcome the

shortfall once the glasses go on. With previous projectors , 3D has been underwhelming, brightness wise that is, the VW5000 should provide enough to make up for the losses that all other could not .

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Well now I know what SBS stands for , just don't understand what you are doing . Is this a so called dual projector setup like Arts , just SBS instead of a stack where one is on top the second below ? I personally have about fifty 3D titles that I still
enjoy from time to time. HDR with appropriate tone mapping is a close second to great 3D , problem is there is not a lot of "great" 3D nowadays. At least with this new VW5000 I should have , finally, enough light to overcome the

shortfall once the glasses go on. With previous projectors , 3D has been underwhelming, brightness wise that is, the VW5000 should provide enough to make up for the losses that all other could not .
Sorry, SBS stands for Side by Side. Up to now, I've had to use my Blu Ray player to watch my Vudu 3D collection but now, I can watch them on my Apple TV. Not a biggie but now I can replace my Sony Blu Ray player with the Panasonic (which doesn't support Vudu).
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I cannot access the service menu like the VW885/995 but there is an option to turn off the auto convergence . I though it was turned off but combined with the firmware update it may have been cycled back on . I'll have to check turning off auto convergence

again when I get a chance, with it left on the same moire pattern is visible within 4K test patterns . I'll have another look later today, I expect the menu option will disable auto convergence .



Auto convergence has never affected dynamic content, on or off the image is the same. It does throw off 4K "static" patterns though, once I have tested as necessary, leaving this on or off has never impacted the dynamic image in any way I could realize and I looked very critically back and forth . Now if convergence is off for any reason the image will be softer, that would be the only reason I would notice a difference . Triple panels will always be softer than a single chip regardless how well convergence is set up
and single chip projectors like the LK990 will always be perceptibly sharper .
Have to disagree there. I saw a cyan colour fringing on some content (admittedly you had to be right up at the screen) with my 550 and switching between on and off made it obvious. Once seen it can't be unseen, but it does indeed do things to content however slight it may or may not be be per unit.
Needless to say I left it off as the picture was better that way.

So the 5000 allows defeating of the auto convergence settings via the user menu then? Why can't they do that for all of them?

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I also get the left green line very rarely, maybe once every 3-4 weeks at most. I simply power off and back on the projector and all is fine! I do have a Radiance Pro but I don't know that its the issue at all.
I imagine its the projector. I've never seen a green line with my Pro.
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I imagine its the projector. I've never seen a green line with my Pro.
I can't imagine it's not the projector. It seems that there's a few owners getting the green line in spite of differing source equipment.
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Latest firmware version is 4.700

*released 2/21/19

Thanks, I did the update from 4.5 , not sure the differences yet, just want to start fresh just in case the additions are significant .

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Have to disagree there. I saw a cyan colour fringing on some content (admittedly you had to be right up at the screen) with my 550 and switching between on and off made it obvious. Once seen it can't be unseen, but it does indeed do things to content however slight it may or may not be be per unit.
Needless to say I left it off as the picture was better that way.

So the 5000 allows defeating of the auto convergence settings via the user menu then? Why can't they do that for all of them?

Sure you are not seeing chromatic aberration ? I have never seen any changes switching between convergence on or off , certainly nothing in dynamic content .

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