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post #2881 of 2896 Old 08-11-2019, 04:17 PM
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"There is a quirk in the VW5000. It is internally a DCI projector with a HDMI to Display Port adapter. The DCI input inside the projector at the DCI interface is 8 bits and so whatever is sent to the VW5000 is truncated (I believe) to 8 bits at the DCI interface. Because of this I have been suggesting people set the Dither in the Output->Styles->Style->HDMI Setup->Dither to 8 bits. With this setting there is no need to 18 GHz output at all. Unfortunately so far no one has responded with a thumbs up or thumbs down for this. To see if this is better you would find a scene using the 12-bit 4:2:2 output that shows a bit of contouring due to the truncation to 8-bit. Then try dithering it to 8 bits to see if it mitigates the 8 bit limitation."
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Since the VW5000 has been out several years yet remains the top model in the Sony consumer projector line, this begs the question whether newer VW500s might have a newer board, etc so that its more of a true 10 bit or even 12 bit processing. I am particularly interested because my projector is down off its ceiling mount and new cabinetry and enclosure for upgright projector won't be done for awhile, so now it'd be easy to bring it to a Sony service center for any "upgrade"!

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No new processing board I am aware of. Only the HDMI board update they did early on. Definitely still has the banding/uniformity issues that plague the entire line unfortunately.

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Is the Sony still the go-to projector for large screens given the age and banding issues discussed? I’ll have a 16’ wide 16:9 screen and a 30’ throw distance. I’ll use the room for movies as well as tv/sports where some low lights will be on.
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No new processing board I am aware of. Only the HDMI board update they did early on. Definitely still has the banding/uniformity issues that plague the entire line unfortunately.
When you say HDMI board update do you mean firmware or a new board? Thanks.

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When you say HDMI board update do you mean firmware or a new board? Thanks.
I believe the first run of 5000ES units had a different HDMI input board. Others here may be able to chime in as a few may have had the swap done. I don't know the specifics as I'm not an owner. Sorry.

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Is the Sony still the go-to projector for large screens given the age and banding issues discussed? I’ll have a 16’ wide 16:9 screen and a 30’ throw distance. I’ll use the room for movies as well as tv/sports where some low lights will be on.

Likely. Other then much more expensive Barco, Christie, etc... Projectors.

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Is the Sony still the go-to projector for large screens given the age and banding issues discussed? I’ll have a 16’ wide 16:9 screen and a 30’ throw distance. I’ll use the room for movies as well as tv/sports where some low lights will be on.

The VW5000 and the BenQ970/990 are the only projectors with even close to the available ligtht necessary, a 16' wide screen is a tall order. The VW5000 is as modern as anything sold today regardless of the age, the performance unrivaled when it was introduced and still is today, especially considering what is available to purchase currently, light output performace remains unrivaled. I've owned plenty of JVC and Sony neither are imune to issues, artifacts will indeed show up with both, they have strengths and weaknesses without question. Is any artifact all consuming to the detriment of your viewing experience ? I personally viewed a JVC RS600 and VW675 side by side for 400 hours of a/b testing, when I saw/noted banding on one it was in the other, the vast majority of occurrences were source or equipment related . If one was the winner or looser it was bloody close , overall it didn't take away from the experience enough to be detrimental overall . Someone is always out there to point out the fly in the ointment but flies are in ointments of all brands , some only mention those in certain brands, regularly. In the projector world all ointments have a fly or two, fortunately for most brands there is a lot more of the ointment than flies, that is a good thing.


I mentioned the BenQ simply becasue it is a much cheaper alternative , has the lumens for larger screen and being DLP has the sharpest image of all 3 chip projectors. Oh, and the BenQ also has ANSI in the 500 range if I recall, for 85% of all movies above 2% ADL, ANSI matters . I have some charts to share direct if you want to see them, this is not the place .



I looked at all the alternatives , picked up a VW5000 for what it does exceptionally well , an easy choice for a larger screen venue. Used pricing is also very good BTW, I've seen plenty of low time sub 1000 hour units go for less than half , that is a spectacular deal considering the alternatives.



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Is the Sony still the go-to projector for large screens given the age and banding issues discussed? I’ll have a 16’ wide 16:9 screen and a 30’ throw distance. I’ll use the room for movies as well as tv/sports where some low lights will be on.

Yes, the 5000 is still the go to projector for large screens. The banding issues are terribly blown out of proportion and usually source related. See the projector for yourself then decide.
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Since the VW5000 has been out several years yet remains the top model in the Sony consumer projector line, this begs the question whether newer VW500s might have a newer board, etc so that its more of a true 10 bit or even 12 bit processing. I am particularly interested because my projector is down off its ceiling mount and new cabinetry and enclosure for upgright projector won't be done for awhile, so now it'd be easy to bring it to a Sony service center for any "upgrade"!
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No new processing board I am aware of. Only the HDMI board update they did early on. Definitely still has the banding/uniformity issues that plague the entire line unfortunately.
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I believe the first run of 5000ES units had a different HDMI input board. Others here may be able to chime in as a few may have had the swap done. I don't know the specifics as I'm not an owner. Sorry.
I just called Sony service/support, gave them my model and serial #, and they advise the current HDMI board is unchanged from mine.

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Any speculation on when this model will be refreshed ? Going on 4 years now !

Need a good PJ that can light a 12.5’ wide (163” diagonal) scope screen in light controlled room. Not many options out there that are not DLP (want to avoid due to RBE and poor contrast).
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Any speculation on when this model will be refreshed ? Going on 4 years now !

Need a good PJ that can light a 12.5’ wide (163” diagonal) scope screen in light controlled room. Not many options out there that are not DLP (want to avoid due to RBE and poor contrast).

Nothing official only speculation. Many thought this would be the year , apparently not , likely next year something will materialize. I'd say the next big marketing push will be native 8K, although I have not heard any rumblings in the rumor mills. Sony introduced native 4K years before others and long before the market could provide the material. Their up-scaling for 1080 to 4K was really remarkable indeed ,but IMHO native 4K way too far ahead of the market. I was into my second 4K projector before 4K BD source material was available on disc, this time I'll wait it out. But I'm simply speculating, could be other interesting new features to lure potential customers . Would be even better for all if several other manufactures have similar offerings in the 5000+ lumens range,for acceptable HDR on larger screens, brightness is priority # 1 .

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I just called Sony service/support, gave them my model and serial #, and they advise the current HDMI board is unchanged from mine.
I called Sony support at ((877) 619-7669 and the guy had no clue about what I'm talking about regarding the HDMI board. The serial no. of my unit is 1100211. Would this one of the later units with the current HDMI boards?
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I called Sony support at ((877) 619-7669 and the guy had no clue about what I'm talking about regarding the HDMI board. The serial no. of my unit is 1100211. Would this one of the later units with the current HDMI boards?
As my serial # 1100526 is only a tad later than yours, I can only assume our HDMI boards are the same with no changes available.

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As my serial # 1100526 is only a tad later than yours, I can only assume our HDMI boards are the same with no changes available.
Thanks; so, which Sony no. did you call to get a good answer?

Also, can any one else who has an SN of less than 1100211 confirm if their HDMI board didn't need to be swapped?
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Thanks; so, which Sony no. did you call to get a good answer?



Also, can any one else who has an SN of less than 1100211 confirm if their HDMI board didn't need to be swapped?


To my knowledge there has never been an HDMI board swap required. My first 5000ES was serial #033 . It is full 18Gbps, and is just as capable as the one I have with serial number in the #400s .







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Thanks; so, which Sony no. did you call to get a good answer?

Also, can any one else who has an SN of less than 1100211 confirm if their HDMI board didn't need to be swapped?
Whatever # I found on the Sony support website! And the support person took my question and then checked with someone before she told me there has been no HDMI board change to the VW5000 applicable at least to my #ed unit.

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