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joerod 10-08-2016 10:26 AM

The Official 5000ES 4K Laser Sony Advanced Owner's Thread
 
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Besides getting more than a few requests to start a new Owner's thread which will focus mainly on just the 5000ES alone it just seems like there is more and more banter in the other thread. And yes I am guilty of some but I promise to stay on point in this one. This thread of course is open to everyone but as we add more owners this will be an easier point of reference for them to go to. We will update it frequently with settings and firmware info. We can also add measurements both start up and every 500 to 1000 (approximately) which will also benefit prospective owners. And we can add links to Reviews. I plan to update this first post with firmware info as we go...

Without further ado...

Link to my Review:

http://hstrial-jrodriguez996.homeste...=1462841668379

Projector Reviews (Art):

http://www.projectorreviews.com/arti...-home-theater/

Hardware Zone (nice pics of the 5000ES):

http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/featu...ater-projector



Current Firmware- 4.7 support for ATV 4K- no more dropouts! :)

https://www.sony.com/electronics/sup...loads/00015874

This utility updates the system software to version 4.404 and provides the following changes and benefits-

Improvements over version 4.301:

Adds Hybrid Log Gamma compatibility which allows the user to enjoy Hybrid log Gamma content with high dynamic range quality by changing HDR mode to HLG manually.

Reduces the time for an image to appear when a 4K 60p HDR signal is received

Reduces the transport delay time with 1920x1080p signals when the Input lag reduction mode is set to On

Reduces acoustic noise when switching the color filter in/out

Reduces acoustic noise during firmware updates

Adds the light source timer to the Information menu

Benefits provided by previous updates and included in version 4.404-

Further improvement of HDR-related functionality:

Adds the HDR Contrast function to the Picture Menu (when viewing HDR content) to allow adjustment of the average screen brightness

Add automatic selection of BT2020 color space when receiving such content

Adds an HDR indicator in the Information Menu when HDR content is being received

Adds Lens Center Return function

Improves overall picture quality

Minor bug fixes

Picture quality and noise reduction improvements

Improved HDR tone mapping

Improvement for 3D crosstalk

Support for SNMP

Sony Premium Home:

http://www.sonypremiumhome.com/proje...L-VW5000ES.php

Sony.com:

http://www.sony.com/electronics/projector/vpl-vw5000es

Sony VPL-VW5000ES Video:



The following procedure from Mayer (big thank you to him) who is definitely a pioneer when it comes to Sony projectors and other brands will definitely help until we get the HDR slider firmware. This might be considered an "Advanced" owner's thread move just make sure you are careful. Whenever I go into any service menu I always take pics with my phone just in case. Here is his post:

As many people that use a Sony VW5000 complain especially those that have a large screen over 5 meter that UHD HDR Material looks too dark here is the solution for all that not like to wait till Sony will have their promised HDR Slider with a new Software till end of this year for the VW5000.

The following procedure allows to increase overall brightness with UHD HDR material.
The trade of is that you reduce the HDR when you doing it.
Most UHD Disc are mastered for 1000 nit but many of them are have only few sequence’s that have 1000nit on.
So the tradeoff is not so big as 99% of the movie is just show a much brighter picture.
As the trues is that with today’s pr. technology HDR is “almost” impossible this can be a nice solution as you can select how much brightness you like to see any how much HDR you like to see depends on your taste and your screen size.
For those with small screens may 500nit is a good clipping point for those with screen like my one 7 meter 300nit is may a good number.

Please note that going into the service menu is under your risk.

-go into the service menu by hit “Enter,Enter,left Enter”
-go full down to “Device” one step more down from information
-under “W/B” you found the RGB Gain.
-make sure you select custom3 (its D65 from factory)
-go inside custom3
-adjust RGB to a higher level (factory was 128)
-try 200 for each color or max. that is 255

The more you increase the less HDR you see as picture clips sooner but the more brightness you will see.
Use the Sony UHD Disc with the nit Test pattern to see when you clip see also 2 pictures i add now with the cliping at 300 nit.

-when you found the right number don’t forget to use “Safe to memory” before you leave the service menu.

Report how you like it.

joerod 10-08-2016 10:27 AM

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Having Ken Whitcomb out was a lot of fun and was definitely a good learning experience. He is a professional and can improve any Home Theater experience within minutes. As you can see from his findings the 5000ES when paired with a High Gain (super high) will require sunglasses. With his suggestion we ended up ordering the Studiotek 100 from Stewart. The results next post.

:)

joerod 10-08-2016 10:27 AM

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Ken ended up making his way back here right after the screen install. He also was very impressed with the difference the Studiotek 100 makes. He measured 10,775:1 contrast ratio using his Minolta LS-100 luminance meter with a Klein Instruments diffuser. He also measured 46 fl with the laser at 60 in Reference mode. Periodically he plans to come back and take new measurements. Again it has been a pleasure learning and just hanging out with Ken. He's a serious Home Theater aficionado! You can see him at work (pic) below...

We were extremely happy with the results!

:)

joerod 10-08-2016 10:27 AM

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Some quick sport pics...

joerod 10-08-2016 10:27 AM

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Some more... purpose of the basketball images show how great the motion is. You can follow the ball through the crowd after a long 3 point attempt. In hockey you can follow the puck surprisingly easier!
Football also looks better! Smooth Low or High depending on broadcast works excellent. Seeing the laces on the ball as it is chucked down field has never looked better!

joerod 10-08-2016 10:28 AM

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Some various pics... please feel free to add whatever you like. Screen shots are not frowned upon here.

joerod 10-08-2016 10:28 AM

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As you can see (last pic) even my German Shepard Hondo is enthusiastic about the 5000ES! Many times we have to tell him down in front! Life of Pi is amazing in UHD Blu-ray.

:)

Art Sonneborn 10-08-2016 11:34 AM

Thanks Joe for starting the thread !


Art

joerod 10-08-2016 11:39 AM

No problem Art. Excited to do it. This will be educational as well as a fun thread. Settings coming soon.

:)

joerod 10-08-2016 12:08 PM

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A couple request pics besides the fed ex freight one which is the best way to ship them! It comes packaged very well. The remote is like previous Sony models and still lights up a cool blue... And a pic of it in action hanging.

:)

joerod 10-08-2016 02:46 PM

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Also the 5000ES has that extra sweet spot when bringing into focus. Letters on menus or GUIs looks very sharp. The DIRECTV guide and info screens are the best we've ever seen. It's hard to tell from a screen shot. The larger you make it the blurrier it gets.

Micke_ 10-08-2016 04:40 PM

I just got my VPL-VW5000 and some questions




1. I have an 2.00 screen which i can mask both on sides and bottom/top so can get any size i Want. I have started to use the lenspostion to
save for 2.35.1, 16.:9, what is the best aspect to use when installing for 2.35.1 and 1.85.1? should i use normal aspect or 2,35.1 in the projector?
When I had the 2.35.1 aspect selected the Picture filled my screen corectly but is it better picturequlity using nomal aspect?




2. My ceiling is lower over the seats then were the screen is so the screen is a bit higher then the ceiling over the seats. When i have the
projector in 16:9 lens position no problem but when i zoom out for 2.35.1 the Picture in the upper hits the celing but this is only the black bars and
i have blanked the Picture, could this be a problem? I could lower the projector but it is right over the seats so you really dont want to do this.


3. I have the Panasonic UHD player DMP-UB900, tried HDR but was not so impressed. What are the latest firmware version for the projector?
What are they recommended settings for the VPL-VW5000 and the Panasonic for HDR?

joerod 10-08-2016 05:51 PM

I have always favored 1.85.1. It makes the image bigger without sacrificing much at all. As for your sitting issue with black bars don't forget there is a Blanking feature which would clear that right up. Experiment with it.

Latest firmware is 4.206. I am adding a link to the first post. We are expecting a "magic bullet" which will add a cool HDR slider for brightness. As for now Mayer (who we all highly respect) has a bandaid which does wonders for it. I will add that to the first post as well.

:)

Micke_ 10-08-2016 06:39 PM

thanks, i tried blanking and works great. So you should use the aspect ratios 1.85.1 and 2.35.1 in the projector insteed of only normal setting for aspect?
Me to have a big screen and the brightness is to low in HDR for my taste

joerod 10-08-2016 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micke_ (Post 47346705)
thanks, i tried blanking and works great. So you should use the aspect ratios 1.85.1 and 2.35.1 in the projector insteed of only normal setting for aspect?
Me to have a big screen and the brightness is to low in HDR for my taste

Aspect Ratios definitely experiment with. It's a personal choice but after many hours flipping back and forth and forth and back we picked our favorite. As for HDR ch check out the Mayer trick in the first post of our Owner's thread. It will definitely improve it.

:)

KRGM1 10-08-2016 10:42 PM

Thanks for the owners thread Joe.


Seems to me that for 1.85 movies Normal mode would be preferred with no scaling. The 1.85 mode should be a bit brighter since it is using more of the panel but I don't need more brightness and the picture is zoomed(scaled).

joerod 10-09-2016 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KRGM1 (Post 47349553)
Thanks for the owners thread Joe.


Seems to me that for 1.85 movies Normal mode would be preferred with no scaling. The 1.85 mode should be a bit brighter since it is using more of the panel but I don't need more brightness and the picture is zoomed(scaled).

No problem. Glad to do it.

We just like the more "in your face" look we get with 1.85. I will admit it's been awhile since I experimented with it though.

ARROW-AV 10-09-2016 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joerod (Post 47350761)
No problem. Glad to do it.

We just like the more "in your face" look we get with 1.85. I will admit it's been awhile since I experimented with it though.

Great job Joe! And thank you for your absolutely fantastic review of the Sony 5000ES! Brilliant! :)

And those screenshots... I know some people (killjoys) pooh-pooh the accuracy and/or usefulness of screenshots for all the various reasons (I love your "Screen shots are not frowned upon here" BTW :)) , but seriously WOW!!! :eek::eek::eek: Given how those look absolutely amazing on the display I am looking at, the mind boggles at to how even more amazing they must look in person! :cool:

.

RS3771 10-09-2016 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joerod (Post 47338441)
Besides getting more than a few requests to start a new Owner's thread which will focus mainly on just the 5000ES alone it just seems like there is more and more banter in the other thread. And yes I am guilty of some but I promise to stay on point in this one. This thread of course is open to everyone but as we add more owners this will be an easier point of reference for them to go to. We will update it frequently with settings and firmware info. We can also add measurements both start up and every 500 to 1000 (approximately) which will also benefit prospective owners. And we can add links to Reviews. I plan to update this first post with firmware info as we go...

Without further ado...

Link to my Review:

http://hstrial-jrodriguez996.homeste...=1462841668379

Projector Reviews (Art):

http://www.projectorreviews.com/arti...-home-theater/

Hardware Zone (nice pics of the 5000ES):

http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/featu...ater-projector



Current Firmware- 4.206:

https://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model...3#/downloadTab

Sony Premium Home:

http://www.sonypremiumhome.com/proje...L-VW5000ES.php

Sony.com:

http://www.sony.com/electronics/projector/vpl-vw5000es

Sony VPL-VW5000ES Video:

https://youtu.be/pyLO-WC5Lwg


The following procedure from Mayer (big thank you to him) who is definitely a pioneer when it comes to Sony projectors and other brands will definitely help until we get the HDR slider firmware. This might be considered an "Advanced" owner's thread move just make sure you are careful. Whenever I go into any service menu I always take pics with my phone just in case. Here is his post:

As many people that use a Sony VW5000 complain especially those that have a large screen over 5 meter that UHD HDR Material looks too dark here is the solution for all that not like to wait till Sony will have their promised HDR Slider with a new Software till end of this year for the VW5000.

The following procedure allows to increase overall brightness with UHD HDR material.
The trade of is that you reduce the HDR when you doing it.
Most UHD Disc are mastered for 1000 nit but many of them are have only few sequence’s that have 1000nit on.
So the tradeoff is not so big as 99% of the movie is just show a much brighter picture.
As the trues is that with today’s pr. technology HDR is “almost” impossible this can be a nice solution as you can select how much brightness you like to see any how much HDR you like to see depends on your taste and your screen size.
For those with small screens may 500nit is a good clipping point for those with screen like my one 7 meter 300nit is may a good number.

Please note that going into the service menu is under your risk.

-go into the service menu by hit “Enter,Enter,left Enter”
-go full down to “Device” one step more down from information
-under “W/B” you found the RGB Gain.
-make sure you select custom3 (its D65 from factory)
-go inside custom3
-adjust RGB to a higher level (factory was 128)
-try 200 for each color or max. that is 255

The more you increase the less HDR you see as picture clips sooner but the more brightness you will see.
Use the Sony UHD Disc with the nit Test pattern to see when you clip see also 2 pictures i add now with the cliping at 300 nit.

-when you found the right number don’t forget to use “Safe to memory” before you leave the service menu.

Report how you like it.

Presume "Enter" here: “Enter,Enter,left Enter”refers to the round button in the center of the remote?

joerod 10-09-2016 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RS3771 (Post 47353505)
Presume "Enter" here: “Enter,Enter,left Enter”refers to the round button in the center of the remote?

Yes. Sure does.

:)

Art Sonneborn 10-09-2016 09:53 AM

Found at about 170 only losing one bar on the ramp so quite acceptable for 6fL gain in light output. At 200 clips at least three bars on the ramp.


Art

joerod 10-13-2016 04:51 AM

Very pleased to see the new Ghostbusters UHD version came with both the regular Blu-ray and 3D versions as well. Would be a cool trend if this becomes the new norm. As for the movie, she is having a girls night Friday so can't say how it looks or if it truly is terrible. Maybe I can bribe them to do half in 3D and the other half in 4K. I'm more interested in checking out Margot Robbie in Tarzan UHD.

:)

LJG 10-13-2016 06:43 AM

I've had the chance to take some light meter readings with a Minolta LS100.

Stewart Film screen 100 solid material. 2.08 aspect ratio. Throw distance approximately 19 Feet.

Settings:

Laser Output: 100
Contrast : 87
Brightness: 52.

Fully calibrated to Rec 709.

12' wide, 1.78 Image, Peak ft-L 32.50, Peak Black level .003, On/Off 10,800:1.

14' wide, 1.78 Image masked down to 2.35 Image area, Peak ft-L 24.64, Peak Black Level .002, On/Off 12,320:1

Ash Sharma 10-13-2016 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LJG (Post 47446649)
I've had the chance to take some light meter readings with a Minolta LS100.

Stewart Film screen 100 solid material. 2.08 aspect ratio. Throw distance approximately 19 Feet.

Settings:

Laser Output: 100
Contrast : 87
Brightness: 52.

Fully calibrated to Rec 709.

12' wide, 1.78 Image, Peak ft-L 32.50, Peak Black level .003, On/Off 10,800:1.

14' wide, 1.78 Image masked down to 2.35 Image area, Peak ft-L 24.64, Peak Black Level .002, On/Off 12,320:1

LJG
Could you measure FTL on 14 foot wide 2:35 Screen also?
And please advise the throw from lens face to center of the acreen.
Thanks in advance.
Ash

LJG 10-13-2016 12:06 PM

Ash:

14' wide 1.78 is same as 2.35, it is masked on top and bottom....this produced 2.35 image- lens throw is 19' appx

Ash Sharma 10-13-2016 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LJG (Post 47455345)
Ash:

14' wide 1.78 is same as 2.35, it is masked on top and bottom....this produced 2.35 image- lens throw is 19' appx

Thanks..my throw is 25 feet - this will make the picture 20 FTL on a 14 foot wide 2:40 screen - I am guessing :-)

Art Sonneborn 10-13-2016 02:43 PM

I can see that I'm going to hate to give up my Studiotech 130 but the bullet must be bitten.


Art

LJG 10-13-2016 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn (Post 47459281)
I can see that I'm going to hate to give up my Studiotech 130 but the bullet must be bitten.


Art

Art:

I guarantee that you will be very happy moving from 130 gain to 100. You will not miss the texture

thebland 10-13-2016 04:38 PM

How do these newcomers compare to the tried and true 1.0 gain StudioTek 100 / SnoMatte?

thrang 10-13-2016 08:19 PM

Those looking at a screen should give the Seymour Screen Excellence Enlightor 4K AT a serious look, especially with this projector's high light output. Zero artifacts, great accuracy, sharpness and contrast. I am 100% happy with this screen, and it passes the hockey torture test flawlessly.


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