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Yeah we get some renders tonight, but he called me (as they say in Gangsta speak) A TIME VAMPIRE cause i keep on moving the ***** around. He committed to finishing everything this weekend, then if I come up next week to shootout B, we can review on site.
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Cool so faux wood stone floor needs color adjustment








The top front and rear are still misoriented, but I can see we have a small envelope, it will be tight. He probbaly has not gotten around to it, the spacing of the rear tops seems bigger, I will bheck again dimension in morning.

The detail on the crs-12 seems complete. Not so with the crms yet.

The left right asymmetric columns look good.
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that screen is too low, looks like 12-15 inches it should go up to 21-22..The next post gives instructions on this.

Also re orient to this now please and drop the speaker 5.7 inches into floating acoustical treatments dropped 6" soffit. To clarify the tweeters are located on the corners furthest away from the MLP but positioned vertically with the ribbon below.

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Carlos is on these 3 items

Speaker aim /orientation fix-3rd times the charm

Scan color of floor tile and clone

I spent 1/2 hour with the laser level and determined the correct screen height in this First American MINI-PLF should not be my traditional 33% point up screen but in the range of 35%-37% Vertcal position from bottom up.
He will change to 35% and we will review.

Carlos don't forget to flip the door of rack room so that it opens against the left speaker column.







I am still advising that the projector hushbox design be diffusive and angled down to redirect to ear level. Very important that that happens in the front as well, where it is the most beneficial. When those hushboxes are covered in absorption and fabric they leave a gaping soundfield hole, so please heed this point.

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Peter Chinese LASERS in NEC, is this the original 2x5K lumens NEC, the new 15K Lumens PTI source, or the IPG Photonics source?
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a company from ny but arent these made in china?

what is the difference mr encyclopedia displayca?
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Cool Maybe now I can stop getting in trouble with other threads

I have been standing by for 72 hours waiting for this. Surely managed to get in trouble looks good overal now time to verify angles. The set platform height is the first thing to see.

Cineak did 12 inches, but we had argued for 18 and i think we settled with Brad at Starbucks for 16. BRAD THIS IS FROM HIS NOTES FROM STARBUCKS.

Can you do your trig. When I told you we were doing 10 degree slope I was not talking aboutr angle to MLP, I was talking about ideal cinema slope also used fro TRINNOV unified layout.

Let's see how much.











Close but no cigar. we do not have chair height will go pickup prints and read with scale. The four tops he has not rotated and dropped-positioned like the front and back widths.

However this is super awesome: Many nmany theaters will need this schedule because of as built trusses are seldom perfect.

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Just an unsolicited comment, that front row seating looks awefully close to the screen. I am back about 16' from a 14' wide 2.01 Multi aspect screen and that's about how close I can be that is comfortable. What is the viewing distance for first row?
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Thanks Lon, It is precisely what I encourage in the early stages to have an intelligent goals, costs, benefits. we are close to 10 on a 13 footer, that was my mlp when i had the reald Barco 4k in the Miami PH, Very cinematic specially for 3d and quite frankly most great tentpoles are 3D. Maybe a better consideration wouyld be to add side masking then and we can rescale or zoom down for the cry bbaies, or in case the content is not up to par, dvd.

Since Brian has a bezel profile of 4.5 if he can fit the side rollers maybe that is the safest route. Thanks. Exactly I still don't know the distance to front heads.

I will let you know as I am picking the blueprints at fedex, the problem is with cinema dlp when you go to PLF imax, etx, dolby cinema lots of seats are closer to the screen lthan that, this is a mini-plf designed to engulf the 3 front seats. We will analyze fu cinemascoperther I am going to laser Imax with laser meter to conduct the tests. I will have veto power in that matter, don't want it too small in the mlp, this is a mostly zoomed to 2.0 on cinemascope.

LOGE is jealously optimized for one seat on the center back row, the rest can be a compromise, but at the Imax with the same class of laser projector I will report, good, better ,best here.
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LOGE is jealously optimized for one seat on the center back row, the rest can be a compromise, but at the Imax with the same class of laser projector I will report, good, better ,best here.
I love it . I assume this is Lasalle wearing his audiophile hat?

My room is "optimized" the same way - one seat only matters, the hot seat, in exact middle. Works perfectly because honestly no one in the family but the OCD guy cares! :-)
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I love it . I assume this is Lasalle wearing his audiophile hat?

My room is "optimized" the same way - one seat only matters, the hot seat, in exact middle. Works perfectly because honestly no one in the family but the OCD guy cares! :-)
I am sure of that although I always try push for the ME FIRST School of design alas the homeowners like to cuddle with their spouses.

In any event THIS ARTICLE egged on our selfishness factor by a lot too.



This is what cements my beloved 4th generation personalized STRATO HYPERION at the top of the immersive cinema food chain.



Disagree with 13 sounds great in dolby cinema.
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And doctor i just saw number 9. .



Great article no but not as good as mine a bit further into the rag; my first WSR authorship ever! If anyone wants the whole issue.Gary won't unfriend me.

peter at cineramax dot com, i'll send you 203 and 205. Which are my issues. Note to self write article by 16 for CES edition.
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Behold My Finest Most Ergonomic Channel Sufficient Atmos Friendly Creation. The AMG Version to the Cineak Strato Plus (that was my second design or a series of 4 iterations).
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Then it all makes sense
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Because these Strato with Hyperion head cushion, while a bargain compared to years ago due to the exchange, being themselves the THRONES of HT, they cost. I will have Mario of Jaymar and Alexandria of Cinematech compete for the design of an extremely simiar seating to MY Final STRATO PLUS EXCLUSIVE HYPERION MINI-PLF HEAD support revision in the hopes that By CEDIA they have an offering for more wider audience.

We went through a list of changes that Carlos did not complete, which is good on a couple because they would have to be moved anyways after last shops review with Brad.

Brad and I reviewed collisions, dimensions and optical angles impacting the platform, and position of the hush box.

I will detail a work programme for those interested in the project management of the BIM design for this PHASE completion. NO dollars though .

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Nice article. LOL at the center seat being in exact middle. Yes off-center MLP is a pet peeves that drives me nuts at demos, not just for audio but video as well, but I thought it was just audiophile me + OCD me .

Especially for smaller theaters, off-center MLP throws off L&R and surround sound lateral positioning too much for my taste/IMHO; what we try so much to preserve with our so-careful and exact-by-the-inches surround-speaker placement. A dual center seat throws everything off by 3 ft, and yet our SO couldn't care less. The only (partial) saving grace is that the ultra important center speaker does "anchor" the most important channel in the middle.

@Lasalle , the recessed "box"/space for ceiling speakers --> any problem with echo/boomy upper bass/etc.? Beautifully done for sure!
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Nice article. A dual center seat throws everything off by 3 ft, and yet our SO couldn't care less. The only (partial) saving grace is that the ultra important center speaker does "anchor" the most important channel in the middle.
Not any different to the magic channel sufficiency imparts to atmos circum-MLP enhanced spatial resolutions and augmented kinetics, when that crucial area's channel count is doubled or tripled!

The farther away from the screen and closer to MLPthe higher the required count was my conclusion at the 26 channel demo.
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Peter, ALL LEDS/(DIODE) LASERS are made in China-). Well some legacy production in Japan or German, perhaps an research/development line in the US, but all real production is in China.

You refer to NEC using lower quality LEDS, so I asked which NEC projector/light source you are refering to. The original NEC external source in the 1140(?) One or two times 5000 lumens. There was an announcement by NEC/Power Technology International (the one that showed green whites on tiny projector) of a single 15K lumens for this projector and the long promised follow-up for the smaller RGB projector. And the big 35K (or 2x stack) lumens is fed by IPG Photonics source. IPG had the booth next to NEC at Cinemacon, so I presume you have seen it there, unlike me.

IMAX was the first major cinema client NECSEL boasted about. But Christie(/Dolby) and Barco are also using USHIO lasers.
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Thanks Bud!

In the meantime calculating brightness for mutliple scenarios of 3d at minimum as opposed to excellent, is well very very complicated.

A wobbly thrown in finding ther best MTF Lens is thus what is going on here ATM.

So parking some info so I don't fVck up this thing.

The DCI 4K resolution standard, which has a resolution of 4096 × 2160 pixels (256:135, approximately a 1.9:1 aspect ratio).

In the lens calculator scope is understood to be in the above case.

UHD-1, or ultra-high-definition television (UHDTV), is the 4K standard for television and computer monitors. UHD-1 is also called 2160p[6][7] since it has twice the horizontal and vertical resolution of 1080p.[6] It has a resolution of 3840 × 2160 (16:9, or approximately a 1.78:1 aspect ratio). UHD-1 is used in consumer television and other media, e.g. video games.

Crop Chopping Gagsta " C " don't give a ***** about no cinema scope crap.(there yet again is the indispensable incorrect double negative in the streets proppa grammar ).

So Homies Gangsta "C" gets down with 2160 p

3,840*4096= .9375 is Gangsta "C" Chop Hack to Barco Cinema Calculator FACTOR ( which is yielding very little solutions for adequate 3d levels with the Prometheus
but I will post next for Brad To Choose option a or b. Im letting Alan entertain him with the ineferiro option c tests and recreation. Im going to the DCI CENTRAL Lab on Friday and then going with Alan to Loge for a gourmet outdoor LANAI dinner featuring xmas music in outstanding 7.2. Courtesy of Chef La Salle, but I perfere the salad dressing to take its time this time. He makes the most unbefreakinglievable Ceasars that Gangsta "C" has not tasted in no other zagat rated joints.
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The face of speakers and ports will be below the sound proofed ceiling. The boxes are part of the
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LITTLE CRYSTAL BALL TELLS ME ANYDVD MAY COME TO UHD.oR IT WILL BE DONE WITH DRM NEXT YEAR.

GOOD REASON TO JOIN SMPTE AND ATTEND THIS PODCAST

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Cool Final projector siting based on PLF Gangsta "C" lens selection

THE QUALITY SCALE GOES IN THIS RANK:
TURD
GHETTO
PROPPA
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PIMPIN'
GANGSTA


We gave a shout out to Gangsta "c"'s peeps and Shalimars globally for consensus on how to rate these optics for MTF and High Contrast Range Potential.



CARLOS LOWER THE PLATFORM TO 14"

Thank God we found the added lens range informally whilst leveling the screen height so that the MVP is straight to the 35% point from bottom up (picture height). not much leeway 35-37% Up only for true PLF wihtout any compromises.



Brad we do not center with bar door on projector box without lens, we center on sum of projector envelope:

3/4" LVL/rear-setback/projector box/lens/polarizer/3/4" LVL .


No need pay no attention to 1.73TD (for scope) above. "Gangsta Chops good! TD is always 1.69! Pimpin'!

22 Ftls BEFORE Alan's Max Contrast mod.



There are tons of variables we can discuss at shootout next Friday. Not enough juice for proppa 3D with Prometheus I, V6 and active glasses, forget that!

Ill show you numbers for all options, but this is such a clear case for option A when you see the calculation,that's how I would Roll.
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Exclamation MINI-PLF Gangsta "C" lens rule rules!

Welcome then to PLF GANGSTA "C"s new way of siting projectors in the completely not understood age of Maximum MTF maximum HDR DCI series 2 Pimped Projectors.

And remember PLF Gangsta "C" will pop a cap in your ass if you forget to lock the MOFO Lens Down with the correct Mysterious BARCO PROMETHEUS Lens Holder. THIS IS WHY GANGSTA "C" is Da' Pimp of MINI-PLF!



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Post Can't get (LASER RACK) junk into no Ballin' Bling-Gear Stash! WTF!





We have a lack of ACCESS flow in general GETTING into the Ballin' Bling-Gear Stash ($$$$$ SOTA KIT RACK ROOM) with the Revision 1.85 above, remember we need to roll in the cinemeccanica LUX Dishwasher sized unit .



So the shape of the column bulkheads will be contoured to the new reduced screen(13 wide final). A screen under 13' is Poh Niggas' under MINI-PLF Moon Universe.

The widths also move down the wall and in towards the MLP to swing the left width channnel on a pivot to clear door, bottom of these W speakers are 6'.

Here is the solution the dimensioning is being studied.



The screen facing bulkhead of the columns are now parallel to speaker box in lieu of parallel to the screen frame, the screen is almost 6 inchges narrower in total,5'.7something chaniging the shape of the columns so that they encroach buys yiou about 5 inches total, plus it creates a mini shadowbox that will need considerate detail design.

The installation requires careful design and installation planing as tolerances will be less than one inch.

BUT BASICALLY YOU SLIDE THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN INTO THE NOOK/SHADOWBOX THEN YOU SWING IN THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE FRAME NARROWLY MISSING THE RIGHT COLUMN, INTO THE SCREEN COVE.. THIS WILL REQUIRE SERIOUS COORDINATION WITH BRIaN AND cARLOS


Once the shops are finished we can have the brackets bespoke made by the same co. as in Proteus out of the UK.
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The face of speakers and ports will be below the sound proofed ceiling. The boxes are part of the
sound proofed structure and will have space for sound treatment behind and around the speakers.
Perhaps we are being optimistic that there is enough girth to clear direct aiming to MLP.

i Am eyeballing and there does not seem sufficient volume to the drop of the fabric (diffusion and top speakers concealing-rattle isolated) plenum.



Brad let's drop this from 6 down to 9.25 inches please. For Immersions sake!
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Perhaps we are being optimistic that there is enough girth to clear direct aiming to MLP.

i Am eyeballing and there does not seem sufficient volume to the drop of the fabric (diffusion and top speakers concealing-rattle isolated) plenum.



Brad let's drop this from 6 down to 9.25 inches please. For Immersions sake!
You need to factor 40 deg Verticle and 90 deg horizontal dispersion for the Tops and look a the coverage pattern. Aims at the near side MLP armrest (verticle plane at MLP height) will cover all seats. So the right side tops need to hit (with 40 deg spread) the right ears of all 3 seats. The further away the seat the greater the distance of the 40 degree dispersion. The 6 in drop is fine. If the tilt is > 20 (in current position) you miss the outside ear of the outside seat, unless you move the Tops closer to the outside wall.
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Cyberlink PowerDVD first player software certified for UHD Blu-ray playback

Last year I tried finding clues to the upcoming BDA 4K specs. and there was the option of non-disc play, but it would require a pairing with the device hardware. Not clear what the exact requirements are.

Intel did say at the end of August when launching its new Kabylake CPU/SOC generation of PC processors that these were designed for 4K and HDR support, with embedded HEVC encoder/decoder and VP9 encoder/decoder (for Youtube).
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