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The DLA-VS3000 specification details says 1600 lumens: https://eu.jvc.com/pro/projectors/si...rs/DLA-VS3000/

The RS4500/Z1 replacement seriously need to be at least the same light output, namely 3000 lumens. 3500 lumens would be even better.

To be honest, I'd be happy if JVC simply took the RS4500/Z1 and simply swapped out the 2nd generation native 4K D-ILA chipset for the new 3rd generation one, as well as replacing the BT.2020 color filter with one that only loses 10 - 15% light output. This would produce the same performance as the RS4500/Z1 but with circa DOUBLE the contrast performance and a usable BT.2020 color filter to boot. This is what I was hoping we'd see; and personally I'd take this over a laser version of the RS3000/NX9 everytime

I suggested that to JVC - just improve the inside / performance and leave the rest alone ( it would seem to be easier to upgrade the projector that way ). We will see - someday.
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^^ While it is fun to contemplate what JVCs next high end projector will be, it only demonstrates to me further what a great decision I made to invest in the 4500. With the A-Lens and Lumagen, I really can not image ever needing to upgrade any time in the next 5 to 10 years (even considering the potential "improvements" in the 4500 follow on ---- and my current age). And with Jim's constant upgrades to the Lumagen AND being "agnostic" of either HDR10 or Dolby Vision, it is a nice position to be in --- for a change!!
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^^ While it is fun to contemplate what JVCs next high end projector will be, it only demonstrates to me further what a great decision I made to invest in the 4500. With the A-Lens and Lumagen, I really can not image ever needing to upgrade any time in the next 5 to 10 years (even considering the potential "improvements" in the 4500 follow on ---- and my current age). And with Jim's constant upgrades to the Lumagen AND being "agnostic" of either HDR10 or Dolby Vision, it is a nice position to be in --- for a change!!


Agreed. And at this point in time the RS4500 is hard to beat. Mine has worked flawlessly, and you can’t beat the price at this point in time. Any of the conjecture about new future models is totally subject to change anyway.


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help desperately needed:
I was trying to update the firmware of my Z1 to V2 and somehow it went wrong. So after 2 hours of waiting with nothing happening I rebootet the unit and now it keeps shutting off after the logo screen...
I know that there's a way to force a new firmware update with other JVC projectors (plugging in the powerplug while pressing on/off with the USB stick inserted), but this doesn't seem to help with the Z1...
Any idea?

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Problem solved - with the help of the service manual. So in case you happen to experience the same problem, let me know.
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I heard the Z1 has problems with 23.976 frames There he has micro-stutters
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Problem solved - with the help of the service manual. So in case you happen to experience the same problem, let me know.
Can you just say how you solved the problem? Even if you dont' give away how to get into service mode just say what you did once there? Useful for future reference.

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I heard the Z1 has problems with 23.976 frames There he has micro-stutters
All the content I view is 23.976 content. No micro-stutters. What issue are you having?
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All the content I view is 23.976 content. No micro-stutters. What issue are you having?
Nothing at All i heard about it.
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Can you just say how you solved the problem? Even if you dont' give away how to get into service mode just say what you did once there? Useful for future reference.
Sure. Have the USB stick with firmware on it plugged in. Press Menu and Back for five seconds to get into overwrite mode. Then have a coffee or two, as the update takes about 30 minutes...
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I heard the Z1 has problems with 23.976 frames There he has micro-stutters
You must have heard that from a Sony dealer I have had zero issues with that.
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You must have heard that from a Sony dealer I have had zero issues with that.
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The rs4500's motion is as good as Sony's as is the motion on the entire NX line released this year. The motion advantage for Sony is no longer a thing.

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Agreed. I didn’t see any motion issues on the NX series and definitely none on the RS4500.

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The rs4500's motion is as good as Sony's as is the motion on the entire NX line released this year. The motion advantage for Sony is no longer a thing.
Agree, before my NX7 I have own a NX5 and before that a Sony laser 885 and before that a JVC x770.

Before the JVC NX series, I also tought motion was better on the Sony. But since my NX it is so close one over the other that it’s not a Sony avantage anymore.

I could also say the same for an image that is clean and calm. All Sony avantage in the past but not anymore with the NX series.

When I compare the JVC x770 to the Sony 885 I tought if the Sony could have the black of my JVC, il will almost be the perfect projector. With the my JVC NX7 I am getting closer to my dream... It’s not laser but beside thats for everything else is very good combination of the forces from my Sony 885 and JVC x770. Native 4k, very good blacks, very good lens (better in my NX7 vs 885), great motion, great color and image is clean and calm.
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Agree, before my NX7 I have own a NX5 and before that a Sony laser 885 and before that a JVC x770.

Before the JVC NX series, I also tought motion was better on the Sony. But since my NX it is so close one over the other that it’s not a Sony avantage anymore.

I could also say the same for an image that is clean and calm. All Sony avantage in the past but not anymore with the NX series.

When I compare the JVC x770 to the Sony 885 I tought if the Sony could have the black of my JVC, il will almost be the perfect projector. With the my JVC NX7 I am getting closer to my dream... It’s not laser but beside thats for everything else is very good combination of the forces from my Sony 885 and JVC x770. Native 4k, very good blacks, very good lens (better in my NX7 vs 885), great motion, great color and image is clean and calm.
How does the NX5 and the NX7 compare? The NX5 even had better black performance than 885ES right?

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Agree, before my NX7 I have own a NX5 and before that a Sony laser 885 and before that a JVC x770.

Before the JVC NX series, I also tought motion was better on the Sony. But since my NX it is so close one over the other that it’️s not a Sony avantage anymore.

I could also say the same for an image that is clean and calm. All Sony avantage in the past but not anymore with the NX series.

When I compare the JVC x770 to the Sony 885 I tought if the Sony could have the black of my JVC, il will almost be the perfect projector. With the my JVC NX7 I am getting closer to my dream... It’️s not laser but beside thats for everything else is very good combination of the forces from my Sony 885 and JVC x770. Native 4k, very good blacks, very good lens (better in my NX7 vs 885), great motion, great color and image is clean and calm.
How does the NX5 and the NX7 compare? The NX5 even had better black performance than 885ES right?[/QUOTE

It is almost the same image but the black of the NX7 vs NX5 is really better. And I mean by that easily noticeable in almost every movies.

The Sony and the NX5 black are very close but the edge goes to the NX5.

I really do like Sony projectors and have own many in the past but I think for the price/performance this year JVC NX7 is very hard to beat. I hope Sony will try to replicate to JVC and make better price for North America and continue to improved their projectors... Competition is good for us 🙂

When I own the Sony 885, many user report improvement/suggestion to Sony team and they did nothing about it. Not even one firmware for all the time I own the Sony. But in the mean time for example the JVC RS4500 received firmware upgrade that really improve their performance. I was a bit fustrated by that because I invest a lot in the 885 (actually almost the double as the NX7) and tought Sony will do better than that.
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I got around to installing the new firmware just now. Piece of cake. I'll hit 1400 hours tonight after watching " Hotel Mumbai ".

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I got around to installing the new firmware just now. Piece of cake. I'll hit 1400 hours tonight after watching " Hotel Mumbai ".

Really like to hear your thoughts on the new Firmware to see if it adds anything at all - you have a very similar if not exact set up as me
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I pulled out some older 4K UHD movies last week - King Arthur legend of the sword and Criminal - pictures and sound on both were amazing.
Just have to find a way to fasten my Zero Edge Pro screen to the wall as my Paradigm Sub 2 along with my 4 addtl 15" paradigm subs rattle my screen
like a banjo under certain movie scenes. The side where the sub 2 sits is def the worst - tried earthquake putty as you suggested, it works for a little while
but shakes that stuff loose too - silly putty the extruded aluminum surround pieces with the black velvet are problems too - may have to take down the screen and use silicone to seal the frame permanently - which would suck if i ever have to take it apart.

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Really like to hear your thoughts on the new Firmware to see if it adds anything at all - you have a very similar if not exact set up as me
JVC RS4500 Lum Rad Pro and DCR lens - i have the Panasonic 9000 in the mix - i don't believe Chad B is using the optimizer with the current calibration
I pulled out some older 4K UHD movies last week - King Arthur legend of the sword and Criminal - pictures and sound on both were amazing.
Just have to find a way to fasten my Zero Edge Pro screen to the wall as my Paradigm Sub 2 along with my 4 addtl 15" paradigm subs rattle my screen
like a banjo under certain movie scenes. The side where the sub 2 sits is def the worst - tried earthquake putty as you suggested, it works for a little while
but shakes that stuff shakes loose too - silly putty the extruded aluminum surround pieces with the black velvet are problems too - may have to take down the screen and use silicone to seal the frame permanently - which would suck if i ever have to take it apart.
Maybe you need a big roll of velcro to attach the screen to the wall ? Hopefully I'll have a chance to play with / compare the new HDR tone mapping to the Lumagen DTM and Panasonic tone mapping. Where 3 or 4 years ago there were no great HDR solutions, now there are so many it's amazing.
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Maybe you need a big roll of velcro to attach the screen to the wall ? Hopefully I'll have a chance to play with / compare the new HDR tone mapping to the Lumagen DTM and Panasonic tone mapping. Where 3 or 4 years ago there were no great HDR solutions, now there are so many it's amazing.
I'll be curious why the new tone mapping on the 4500 will bring anything to the table given you have a Lumagen!
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I'll be curious why the new tone mapping on the 4500 will bring anything to the table given you have a Lumagen!
It won't, but I'd like to see what it could do for someone that doesn't have a Lumagen.

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It won't, but I'd like to see what it could do for someone that doesn't have a Lumagen.
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I hope all of you will continue to post about the latest RS4500 firmware up-date.
Especially for us poor AVS members that have the stand alone RS4500 and nothing else.

In my situation if you report it does make a noticeable difference then I'll have to get Chad B. to come back by and let him do the install.
And of course his Custom Calibrations with the new/latest RS4500 Firmware.


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You shouldn't need Chad to do anything for the new update. The update is as easy as plugging in the stick and letting it run. The base calibration should be identical but instead of using one of Chad's "curves" you would select the PQ/HDR gamma and let it do its thing. Set and forget it. Will definitely give you better results than a static curve. Only step up from there would be a Lumagen or MadVR. Chad, Mike or Craig (if you bought from AVS) should be able to walk you through the setup in just a couple minutes.

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You shouldn't need Chad to do anything for the new update. The update is as easy as plugging in the stick and letting it run. The base calibration should be identical but instead of using one of Chad's "curves" you would select the PQ/HDR gamma and let it do its thing. Set and forget it. Will definitely give you better results than a static curve. Only step up from there would be a Lumagen or MadVR. Chad, Mike or Craig (if you bought from AVS) should be able to walk you through the setup in just a couple minutes.
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You shouldn't need Chad to do anything for the new update. The update is as easy as plugging in the stick and letting it run. The base calibration should be identical but instead of using one of Chad's "curves" you would select the PQ/HDR gamma and let it do its thing. Set and forget it. Will definitely give you better results than a static curve. Only step up from there would be a Lumagen or MadVR. Chad, Mike or Craig (if you bought from AVS) should be able to walk you through the setup in just a couple minutes.
Kris, for now I've moved the Mapping slider all the way to the right. Stranger Things in HDR looks terrific, so does Lucy served from my K server. What is your suggestions on these setting? Thx.

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I'm not as big a fan of their slider. It seems to be a gamma lift rather than a change to the tone map. But it may help the image get a bit brighter if you find it too dark. But you'll probably see a loss of subjective contrast. For the most part, leaving it in the center is fine. If you have a Panasonic UB9000 or 820, you could try using their Optimizer in line with the JVC tone mapping and use their slider, it works a little better IMHO.

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Thx so much Kris. I wonder if the picture tone control is more like a tone map feature? I basically watch Netflix and material from my K system. Rarely watch blu-rays any more

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I've decided that if you feel the new HD10 gamma firmware is too dark (I do), raise the Contrast level on the main menu page. Leave the Gamma settings alone. Let me know if this works for you.

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Anyone using Kaleidescape with the 4500+2.0 firmware? I noticed several titles have no metadata which disables the offset slider.


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Anyone using Kaleidescape with the 4500+2.0 firmware? I noticed several titles have no metadata which disables the offset slider.


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A lot of the Kaleidescape metadata is incorrect also, and differs from the disc version. I raised this with them way back when I had the Strato, but they didn’t seem overly concerned and just stated it was the metadata given to them by the studios. Fortunately with Lumagen DTM it matters not.
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A lot of the Kaleidescape metadata is incorrect also, and differs from the disc version. I raised this with them way back when I had the Strato, but they didn’t seem overly concerned and just stated it was the metadata given to them by the studios. Fortunately with Lumagen DTM it matters not.
Not surprised. What I'm curious about about though is the offset slider should still be active. According to the firmware notes, if no metadata is available, you should adjust manually.

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