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Thanks for extra info. If I'm reading this correctly, then, I'll need to choose between the Auto-Tone Mapping functionality or my calibrated settings when I watch something?
Yes, that's what I do now.
I should mention that it seems to me the New/Latest firmware for the RS4500 works really nicely.

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Yes, that's what I do now.
I should mention that it seems to me the New/Latest firmware for the RS4500 works really nicely.

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Gotcha. It's kind of a bummer that all of those calibration settings will turn out to be essentially moot if I use the auto-tone mapping! I'm planning a major remodel of my theater, though, so when the new theater is all set up, I'll need to recalibrate the PJ anyway. If I understand it correctly, once I install the new firmware, whoever calibrates the PJ will be able to take into account the auto-tone mapping. Is that correct? Sorry if I'm not understanding how it works correctly.
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Yes, that's what I do now.
I should mention that it seems to me the New/Latest firmware for the RS4500 works really nicely.

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Gotcha. It's kind of a bummer that all of those calibration settings will turn out to be essentially moot if I use the auto-tone mapping! I'm planning a major remodel of my theater, though, so when the new theater is all set up,

I'll need to recalibrate the PJ anyway. If I understand it correctly,
once I install the new firmware,
whoever calibrates the PJ will be able to take into account the auto-tone mapping.

Is that correct?
Sorry if I'm not understanding how it works correctly.
Just so you know I'm not one of the Pros on this site.
I have been into the custom home theaters for maybe 25 plus years.
So I've had a great many different projectors and supporting gear.
But ............
All the H/T was set-up by professional A/V shops over those years not by me.

Let me see if I can answer you to where what I say makes sense.
The "Auto-Tone-Mapping" new firmware once loaded and confirmed it's working ???
You will know by simply looking at the picture below I posted earlier to where it says in the Menu (Auto Tone Mapping) it's on.



So, once that is "ON" and you see it is, it's going to stay activated until you choose to Turn-it-Off in the settings.
That's ^^^ regarding the JVC RS4500 "Auto-Tone-Mapping" firmware.

Now,
If you were to change screens or change seating positions in your H/T ???
Then whomever your using for your "Custom-Calibrations" might be needed to go back through the Custom-Calibrations they did earlier "Before" you changed Screens or Seating-Distance.

I'm trying to say to you that it is two completely different things you are looking at.

(1) The JVC RS4500 "Auto-Tone-Mapping" and that my friend is not going to change no matter what Screen, Seating Position etc. you do.

(2) The "Custom Calibrations" will change No-Doubt to some degree according to what New Changes you make to your H/T like Screen, Seating Distance as examples.

Keep in mind that you are talking about two completely separate things, JVC "Auto Tone Mapping" and also "Custom Calibrations" they are separate things.

I hope maybe this makes more sense to you now.
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Just so you know I'm not one of the Pros on this site.
I have been into the custom home theaters for maybe 25 plus years.
So I've had a great many different projectors and supporting gear.
But ............
All the H/T was set-up by professional A/V shops over those years not by me.

Let me see if I can answer you to where what I say makes sense.
The "Auto-Tone-Mapping" new firmware once loaded and confirmed it's working ???
You will know by simply looking at the picture below I posted earlier to where it says in the Menu (Auto Tone Mapping )it's on.



So, once that is "ON" and you see it is, it's going to stay activated until you choose to Turn-it-Off in the settings.
That's ^^^ regarding the JVC RS4500 "Auto-Tone-Mapping" firmware.

Now,
If you were to change screens or change seating positions in your H/T ???
Then whomever your using for your "Custom-Calibrations" might be needed to go back through the Custom-Calibrations they did earlier "Before" you changed Screens or Seating-Distance.

I'm trying to say to you that it is two completely different things you are looking at.

(1) The JVC RS4500 "Auto-Tone-Mapping" and that my friend is not going to change no matter what Screen, Seating Position etc. you do.

(2) The "Custom Calibrations" will change No-Doubt to some degree according to what New Changes you make to your H/T like Screen, Seating Distance as examples.

I hope maybe this makes more sense to you now.
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I see. Yes, that helps a lot! Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me! I'm going to give it a shot tonight.
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I see. Yes, that helps a lot! Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me! I'm going to give it a shot tonight.
Go back and carefully read my above Post again as I just Revised some of it's content you may have Missed.

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Thanks for extra info. If I'm reading this correctly, then, I'll need to choose between the Auto-Tone Mapping functionality or my calibrated settings when I watch something?

Incorrect. They work together.
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Incorrect. They work together.
Oh, ok. Good to know.
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Does this AutoTone Matching in the new firmware only affect HDR, or does it also effect SDR?
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Does this AutoTone Matching in the new firmware only affect HDR, or does it also effect SDR?
HDR only.

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I'm confused. The new firmware (with automatic tone mapping) is not supposed to be for the RS4500 (only the newer models) and if I look at the available firmware for the RS4500, the latest one (Aug 1) only lists an improvement to Chinese characters on the menu display.

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Thanks for extra info.
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Incorrect. They work together.
Chuck,

My thinking was if I was streaming say from Amazon Prime or Netflix as examples and the content was HDR or 4K HDR then the RS4500
Auto-Tone-Mapping would be doing it's thing.

Now if I was using the Panasonic UB9000 that has the Auto-Tone-Mapping and of course I choose the Custom Calibrated setting that Chad B. did.
Then the JVC wouldn't be doing the Auto-Tone-Mapping because I chose to use either the Panasonic UB9000 or the Custom Calibration, 4K HDR BD.

I could really use some Help on this if you know specifics, please.

I guess in my mind I was thinking that the RS4500 doing it's Auto Tone Mapping was going to be good for Streaming.

Then if I was using the Panasonic UB9000 I would be using it's Auto Tone Mapping and if that's true would the RS4500 still be doing it's Auto-Tone-Mapping also ???
If the RS4500 would also be doing it's Auto-Tone-Mapping it seems I would need to Turn-Off the RS4500 Auto-Tone-Mapping ???

Or if I didn't turn it off wouldn't both the UB9000 and the RS4500 BOTH be doing the Auto-Tone-Mapping ???
If that's ^^^ true seems a person would not want that to take place ........... twice ???



This fellow is right now lost to be honest ..........



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I'm confused. The new firmware (with automatic tone mapping) is not supposed to be for the RS4500 (only the newer models) and if I look at the available firmware for the RS4500, the latest one (Aug 1) only lists an improvement to Chinese characters on the menu display.
Read the information below,
http://pro.jvc.com/pro/pr/2019/consu...00_update.html


They are separate things.
One, RS4500 is what I think is termed, Static auto-tone-mapping.

The new JVC lamp based projectors have what I think is termed, Dynamic-Tone-Mapping which is I think similar to a Lumagen and the way it processes.
The much-much preferred method ...........

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Will the RS4500 have JVC's dynamic tone mapping firmware in the future? It wouldn't make sense for JVC's top of the line projector not to have it, while the NX5, 7, and 9 will.
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Will the RS4500 have JVC's dynamic tone mapping firmware in the future? It wouldn't make sense for JVC's top of the line projector not to have it, while the NX5, 7, and 9 will.
In a prior post it was said that JVC was working on something for the RS4500 laser projector.
What they (JVC) did not say was what they are working on ???

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Chuck,

My thinking was if I was streaming say from Amazon Prime or Netflix as examples and the content was HDR or 4K HDR then the RS4500
Auto-Tone-Mapping would be doing it's thing.

Now if I was using the Panasonic UB9000 that has the Auto-Tone-Mapping and of course I choose the Custom Calibrated setting that Chad B. did.
Then the JVC wouldn't be doing the Auto-Tone-Mapping because I chose to use either the Panasonic UB9000 or the Custom Calibration, 4K HDR BD.

I could really use some Help on this if you know specifics, please.

I guess in my mind I was thinking that the RS4500 doing it's Auto Tone Mapping was going to be good for Streaming.

Then if I was using the Panasonic UB9000 I would be using it's Auto Tone Mapping and if that's true would the RS4500 still be doing it's Auto-Tone-Mapping also ???
If the RS4500 would also be doing it's Auto-Tone-Mapping it seems I would need to Turn-Off the RS4500 Auto-Tone-Mapping ???

Or if I didn't turn it off wouldn't both the UB9000 and the RS4500 BOTH be doing the Auto-Tone-Mapping ???
If that's ^^^ true seems a person would not want that to take place ........... twice ???



This fellow is right now lost to be honest ..........



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Guys,

I just found out what I needed to know from the June 20th 2019 JVC Firmware up-date.

The V2.0 upgrade, to be available on June 27, 2019, includes:

http://pro.jvc.com/pro/pr/2019/consu...00_update.html

Auto Tone Mapping – The Auto Tone Mapping function automatically adjusts settings for optimum HDR10 images. The HDR10 mastering information MaxCLL (Maximum Content Light Level) / MaxFALL (Maximum Frame Average Light Level) varies greatly depending on content. To achieve the best HDR10 experience it is necessary to set the appropriate brightness settings for each piece of programming. The Auto Tone Mapping function automatically adjusts settings based on the mastering information. Various HDR images with different brightness can be viewed optimally without manual adjustment of the settings. In cases where content does not contain mastering information, a fixed value will be set or it can be manually adjusted.

Dedicated Color Profiles for the Panasonic DP-UB9000 UHD Blu-ray Player – Users can select one of two dedicated color profiles developed specifically for the Panasonic 4K UHD player. The projector’s profiles work in conjunction with the player’s HDR Optimizer, which tone maps HDR content based on the metadata to match the capabilities of the projector.
The result is the best possible HDR images.

Expanded Screen Adjustment Modes – The projector offers settings that correct the color balance for a wide range of screen characteristics and materials. The firmware upgrade expands the number of screens settings from 135 to 165.

Terry

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Will the RS4500 have JVC's dynamic tone mapping firmware in the future? It wouldn't make sense for JVC's top of the line projector not to have it, while the NX5, 7, and 9 will.
Hopefully. They might have to drop something from the menu to free up space in the memory - like keystone correction. Who uses that ?
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What am I doing wrong?

I installed the firmware update:

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The installation instructions say that Gamma has to be set to HDR(ST.2084) for the option to show up, and it is.

Any ideas? FWIW, I'm trying to test it using the Captain Marvel 4K disc. I might try some other discs, but I can't imagine they'd be any different.
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Never mind. It worked when I tried a different disc!
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Never mind. It worked when I tried a different disc!
It works based on the disc's baked in HDR metadata for MaxCLL and MaxFALL, so if the disc doesn't have metadata, or zero values for those parameters, it will revert to tone mapping with the default curve.
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Is there any way to know which discs have that info? Captain Marvel UHD has HDR10 support, so I just assumed it would be a safe bet. I guess I'll just check on a disc-by-disc basis?
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To RS4500 owners: just curious what your reasons were in purchasing this unit over the NX9/RS3000 ?
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To RS4500 owners: just curious what your reasons were in purchasing this unit over the NX9/RS3000 ?
For me, it was @woofer influence that got me to test it. The main issue for me was the dynamic iris vs dynamic laser dimming. I was pretty fed up with dynamic iris systems. My sony 675ES DI actually broke and had to be repaired. My RS640 dynamic iris was intermittently acting up and showing pumping when it shouldn't to the point that I had to disable it often. There are lots of folks in the RS640 thread with similar issues. When the iris is implemented with a moving part like this, its just a matter of time until it dies. I decided I was done with dynamic iris. Dynamic laser dimming is solid state so no moving parts and should be much more reliable. Plus it works so much better.

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Hi Blake,

In my case I was really-really afraid my Runco VX-11d 1080p projector might break.
And if it did it would have placed me in the position to have possibly made a rash/rushed decision on what to replace it with.
Also it would have probably placed me in the position to have to pay Full-Retail for that replacement.
Seriously, if Runco had not totally been dropped by the Chinese Corporation I would not have gotten rid of it prematurely.
I had purchased from Runco the extended Factory Warranty so I still had 2-years remaining on that warranty.

Regarding the reason you ask as to why in my decision the JVC RS4500 versus the NX9/RS3000 ???

The RS4500 as you know is a laser and we (Cathy & I) both agreed that the next projector was not going to have a lamp !!!
Done been down that expensive road for a great many years and replacing each year the $1,099.00 US dollars lamp assemblies.

Plus and lastly, none of the new Lamp Based 3-Projectors were even out yet for purchase.

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In my case I was really-really afraid my Runco VX-11d 1080p projector might break.

And if it did it would have placed me in the position to have possibly made a rash/rushed decision on what to replace it with.

Also it would have probably placed me in the position to have to pay Full-Retail for that replacement.

Seriously, if Runco had not totally been dropped by the Chinese Corporation I would not have gotten rid of it prematurely.

I had purchased from Runco the extended Factory Warranty so I still had 2-years remaining on that warranty.



Regarding the reason you ask as to why in my decision the JVC RS4500 versus the NX9/RS3000 ???



The RS4500 as you know is a laser and we (Cathy & I) both agreed that the next projector was not going to have a lamp !!!

Done been down that expensive road for a great many years and replacing each year the $1,099.00 US dollars lamp assemblies.



Plus and lastly, none of the new Lamp Based 3-Projectors were even out yet for purchase.



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Two things worry me about the RS4500:

1- JVC does not seem committed to their flagship unit. There is no word of dynamic tone mapping firmware update, even though for the NX series it is developed and will be released any day now. And there is no anamorphic Panamorph DCR lens support, which is built into all of the NX series.

2- using the color filter drops the brightness by a staggering 1000 lumens. Whereas the filter drops NX7/9 lumens by only 10%. I am not sure if this is a hardware issue or can be fixed by firmware (doubt the latter, as it’s been like this for 3 years since rs4500 release). I know you can simply not use the filter, but this defeats the purpose. Content will be using bt2020 in the foreseeable future.
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Two things worry me about the RS4500:

1- JVC does not seem committed to their flagship unit. There is no word of dynamic tone mapping firmware update, even though for the NX series it is developed and will be released any day now. And there is no anamorphic Panamorph DCR lens support, which is built into all of the NX series.

2- using the color filter drops the brightness by a staggering 1000 lumens. Whereas the filter drops NX7/9 lumens by only 10%. I am not sure if this is a hardware issue or can be fixed by firmware (doubt the latter, as it’s been like this for 3 years since rs4500 release). I know you can simply not use the filter, but this defeats the purpose. Content will be using bt2020 in the foreseeable future.
I don't find either of those to be a problem. But if you do, buy an RS3000 instead. Every projector has some level of compromise. I feel that in my theater ( with smaller screens than you were planning ) that the RS4500 ticks all my boxes. The fact I need a Lumagen ( or a HTPC ) for 4096 x 2160 with the DCR lens also gives me their DTM for HDR. I'm so satisfied with the video I'm seeing at this point I'm moving on to working on audio improvements again.
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JVC has not said it positively can't / won't add the DTM to the RS4500. It is possible. It's a bit more difficult for one reason or another than the new projectors.
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I'm so satisfied with the video I'm seeing at this point I'm moving on to working on audio improvements again.
Funny you mentioning this....

I have been spending less and less time browsing these very forums as i am 100% happy with the image i am achiveing with my Z1 and madVR .... Truthfully , i coudnt care less with what is or isnt happening with the current series of projectors...be it JVC , Sony or whoever else .

i just sold my classic Duntech Soverign speakers ( huge monsters ) to make way for a smaller footprint speaker , and so i have just purchased a pair of Wilson Sasha DAW,s..... my plan is to also upgrade my screen to a 168" 16:9 ...( looking like a Stewart at this stage) .

Room mods/upgrades again.....
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i just sold my classic Duntech Soverign speakers ( huge monsters )
Oh no!! Am I the last one here to still be using the Sovereigns??

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Hi Blake,

In my case I was really-really afraid my Runco VX-11d 1080p projector might break.
And if it did it would have placed me in the position to have possibly made a rash/rushed decision on what to replace it with.
Also it would have probably placed me in the position to have to pay Full-Retail for that replacement.
Seriously, if Runco had not totally been dropped by the Chinese Corporation I would not have gotten rid of it prematurely.
I had purchased from Runco the extended Factory Warranty so I still had 2-years remaining on that warranty.

Regarding the reason you ask as to why in my decision the JVC RS4500 versus the NX9/RS3000 ???

The RS4500 as you know is a laser and we (Cathy & I) both agreed that the next projector was not going to have a lamp !!!
Done been down that expensive road for a great many years and replacing each year the $1,099.00 US dollars lamp assemblies.

Plus and lastly, none of the new Lamp Based 3-Projectors were even out yet for purchase.

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Two things worry me about the RS4500:

1- JVC does not seem committed to their flagship unit. There is no word of dynamic tone mapping firmware update, even though for the NX series it is developed and will be released any day now. And there is no anamorphic Panamorph DCR lens support, which is built into all of the NX series.

2- using the color filter drops the brightness by a staggering 1000 lumens. Whereas the filter drops NX7/9 lumens by only 10%. I am not sure if this is a hardware issue or can be fixed by firmware (doubt the latter, as it’s been like this for 3 years since rs4500 release). I know you can simply not use the filter, but this defeats the purpose. Content will be using bt2020 in the foreseeable future.
Blake,

I am what I think would be termed a, End-User, meaning I don't fall into the camp that can and do address what your concerns are on a more professional level.
I Do-Not have that ability .......

What I can share with you about the RS4500 is the following in layman terms only.
From all the different projectors I have personally owned for like 30 plus years.
And they were not cheap units for sure.
The last 3 or 4 were all Runco 1080p units.
And those were in the $20K US Dollars range just for the projector not including Set-Up and here locally Taxes.

Maybe if I just post like we were sitting with one another at a restaurant having coffee will work better for both of us.
Speaking only for myself I will be as BLUNT as this AVS Internet Site will allow me to be per there guidelines.
If you knew me you would know when a person ask me a legit question they will get a Matter-of-Fact-Response from me.

I personally was "Scared-to-Death" when looking at two primarily different laser projectors to replace the last Runco VX-11d.
And when I say to you that I did research .............
I spend more time researching something than the hours most people spend working Full-Time.
I am Anal and I will keep researching until IMHO I have exhausted All avenues that provide information on a product like in this case the RS4500.
Being retired since 2008 I can and will spend the time to make sure I don't make a "Mistake" if at all humanly possible.

Moving forward with what I would really want to know if I was asking someone what your asking.
The RS4500 when I had it 1st installed and the tech sized the image to my 16x9 screen.
I was 100% Totally-Blown-Away buddy.
It was without any doubt Super-Bad-Ass !!!
And in my case as I said above I was Scared-to-Death that it might not be an Honest-to-Goodness improvement from the Runco ???
Well, as soon as all the Sconce lights were totally turned-off in the H/T and the picture was the right size to the screen.
And keep in mind the techs that did the install were told by me not to even think/consider changing any adjustments.
All FEARS went away instantly as I said above and I knew right then I did make the right decision.
The picture when we went to YouTube and viewed 4K HDR content were to me BEYOND-AWESOME !!!
And believe me there was No-Issue with Piss-Poor Colors !!!
I should probably mention I don't have any Lumagen, or other product to do Calibrating.
I also don't have any additional lens like the Panamorph.
What I do have to improve the overall picture was Chad B. from Ohio that did both Audio & Video Custom-Calibrations.
But ............
Keep in mind what I said above was simply when the RS4500 was initially installed out of the box before Chad B. did his thing.

Speaking of DTM from my perspective ..........
I am hopeful that JVC will be able to add that for sure like anyone would that's spent the monies we have for the RS4500.
However, and I know you are going to have to just believe me in what I say and have some level of trust to a stranger on an internet site.
If JVC Never-Ever does add because they simply can't the DTM.
The RS4500 on a more Modest-Screen-Size like my 123" 16x9 Stewart Firehawk is not going to suffer any I'll effects at all.
It would be great to have it but to me it's not at all a necessity !!!
I'm saying Blake if you came here in person and saw with your own eyes my H/T with the RS4500 showing 4K Ultra HDR you would instantly be {Smiling} and Totally-Blown-Away IMHO buddy.
It's that Bad-Ass I promise you ............

If I had known for a FACT that the RS4500 Laser projector was what it is I would have gotten a unit a hell of a lot sooner buddy.

I sincerely hope the above helps you with what you really want to know from an End-User.
You are welcome to come here in person and see for yourself if you like.
I just looked and I see your Location is: Edmonton, AB, Canada

















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Funny you mentioning this....

I have been spending less and less time browsing these very forums as i am 100% happy with the image i am achiveing with my Z1 and madVR .... Truthfully , i coudnt care less with what is or isnt happening with the current series of projectors...be it JVC , Sony or whoever else .

i just sold my classic Duntech Soverign speakers ( huge monsters ) to make way for a smaller footprint speaker , and so i have just purchased a pair of Wilson Sasha DAW,s..... my plan is to also upgrade my screen to a 168" 16:9 ...( looking like a Stewart at this stage) .

Room mods/upgrades again.....
I'm working on room treatments ( bass traps / diffusion panels etc. ). I feel like everything else is as good as it can be now ! I'm down in the weeds looking for other neglected home theater improvements !
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