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Hello, everyone. I'm thinking of upgrading a new projector to use with my new home theater. I have had a Sony VPL-VW285ES and Screen research ClearPix 4k white gain 1.0 with black blocking 16:9 161 inches in diagonal.
I know that AT screen 16:9 161 inches needs a lot of lumens, so RS4500 is my choice. I have a few questions to ask about RS4500.

1.Will RS4500 get a firmware update to support HDR auto tone mapping like RS3000 and RS2000?
2.I play video games sometimes. What is the input lag of RS4500 with latest firmware?
3.If I would like to buy a used, B-stock or demo RS4500, should I be worried about convergence issues everyone is talking about or any other problems?

Thank you for all your help.
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Hello, everyone. I'm thinking of upgrading a new projector to use with my new home theater. I have had a Sony VPL-VW285ES and Screen research ClearPix 4k white gain 1.0 with black blocking 16:9 161 inches in diagonal.
I know that AT screen 16:9 161 inches needs a lot of lumens, so RS4500 is my choice. I have a few questions to ask about RS4500.

1.Will RS4500 get a firmware update to support HDR auto tone mapping like RS3000 and RS2000?
2.I play video games sometimes. What is the input lag of RS4500 with latest firmware?
3.If I would like to buy a used, B-stock or demo RS4500, should I be worried about convergence issues everyone is talking about or any other problems?

Thank you for all your help.
In answer to number (1), I would be willing to bet a large amount of something that auto tone mapping in the 4500 will NOT happen. Mike Garrett or Craig Peer might have more information; For number (2), @markmon1 would probably be your best choice since he does use his system for gaming; (3) Any new projector has the possibility of something not being correct. A used or B-stock may as well. If you buy the B-Stock from a reputable JVC dealer (e.g. AVS) and there is an issue, they will handle the exchange and/or repair. My first B-Stock unit had an issue (not convergence) and I got a replacement that is absolutely perfect.

Conclusion: Buy the B-Stock 4500. Buy a Panamorph Paladin. Use AVS to do so. There are other ways to get improved tone mapping: One of the newer BR players or, the more expensive Lumagen. You won't look back.

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1.Will RS4500 get a firmware update to support HDR auto tone mapping like RS3000 and RS2000?
No or so I've heard.
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2.I play video games sometimes. What is the input lag of RS4500 with latest firmware?
Very good in low lag mode about 40ms at 4k. I went from a 285ES to 675ES to the RS4500. All felt about the same.
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3.If I would like to buy a used, B-stock or demo RS4500, should I be worried about convergence issues everyone is talking about or any other problems?
I'd always be worried about those things even if you buy new. My "new" RS4500 has terrible red convergence correctable via zone only. JVC would probably consider it in spec. Luckily projector is being swapped next week due to another issue via advanced exchange warranty so no worries for me. Still looks great even considering!
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Yes, JVC has said they will not be adding any new features like HDR auto tone mapping via firmware updates. If you get a Lumagen Radiance Pro you can have dynamic HDR tone mapping which is superior anyway.
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Yes, JVC has said they will not be adding any new features like HDR auto tone mapping via firmware updates. If you get a Lumagen Radiance Pro you can have dynamic HDR tone mapping which is superior anyway.
Isn't the least expensive model of the Lumagen (4 in, 2 out) like $6000?

I'm more than willing to spend a few thousand but not 6 !!

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Isn't the least expensive model of the Lumagen (4 in, 2 out) like $6000?

I'm more than willing to spend a few thousand but not 6 !!
No. Unless you insist on paying MSRP for everything. You didn't pay MSRP for your RS4500, did you ?

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No. Unless you insist on paying MSRP for everything. You didn't pay MSRP for your RS4500, did you ?
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Hello, everyone. I'm thinking of upgrading a new projector to use with my new home theater. I have had a Sony VPL-VW285ES and Screen research ClearPix 4k white gain 1.0 with black blocking 16:9 161 inches in diagonal.
I know that AT screen 16:9 161 inches needs a lot of lumens, so RS4500 is my choice. I have a few questions to ask about RS4500.

1.Will RS4500 get a firmware update to support HDR auto tone mapping like RS3000 and RS2000?
2.I play video games sometimes. What is the input lag of RS4500 with latest firmware?
3.If I would like to buy a used, B-stock or demo RS4500, should I be worried about convergence issues everyone is talking about or any other problems?

Thank you for all your help.

As already mentioned, the 4500 likely won't see auto tone mapping added via new firmware. But also a moot point for those with Lumagens which also have the added benefit for scope screen people like myself and Craig of handling the anamorphic with the Paladin DCR lens. On top you also get a great platform to calibrate your 4500 via the Lumagen and bonus stuff like auto aspect ratio abilities.



I reckon games look superb on the 4500. Have recently played through a bit of Red Dead Redemption II and more recently Ace Combat 7 via PS4 Pro. Both were fantastic on it. I don't play any FPS games on it though as that's what my more power gaming PC is for and I'm sure lag will factor in somewhere slightly if you're pedantic about it @40ms.



I'd also give nod towards the advice already given on B-stock. I can't personally comment though as B-stock isn't a thing over here like it is in US.
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Watched maybe my 2nd movie on the RS4500 since I've owned it (450 hours on it now), Aquaman. My wife watched with us and commented "the picture is so sharp". It's interesting because my wife spends maybe 5 hours a year in the theater with me and doesn't care about technology. It must have been super significant for her to feel to comment on that.
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Watched maybe my 2nd movie on the RS4500 since I've owned it (450 hours on it now), Aquaman. My wife watched with us and commented "the picture is so sharp". It's interesting because my wife spends maybe 5 hours a year in the theater with me and doesn't care about technology. It must have been super significant for her to feel to comment on that.

Only 2 movies in 450 hours???
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Only 2 movies in 450 hours???
Yea I'm probably good for 3 hours a day of games, 2 hours a day of desktop and arguing with people on AVS forums on my projector, and another 1-2 hours of tv.
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Is anyone here controlling their RS4500 via RS232 commands/input port?

If so, can you confirm whether or not changing modes/lens memories causes the pop-up "Changing Lens Memory . . ." message box to appear on screen or not?

We've established that this pop-up appears when using IR, but not when sending the command over IP - but I'm interested to know what happens when using RS232?
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With not too much new going on with the 4500, let me ask an off-topic question: How large will OLED, QLED, etc, have to get before one will give up on projectors? I think they are already up to 95" diag for a price of ~ $10K, which seems to be getting close. My screen is ~150" diag (in 16x9 config), so still some way to go for that. For me, if the size could be attained at a price </= that of the 4500, I would be happy to go that route.
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Yea I'm probably good for 3 hours a day of games, 2 hours a day of desktop and arguing with people on AVS forums on my projector, and another 1-2 hours of tv.

Wow, do you have a job/career, spouse, kids, outside interests, etc.?

I’m wondering why you have such a blacked out home “theater” and watch so few movies?
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With not too much new going on with the 4500, let me ask an off-topic question: How large will OLED, QLED, etc, have to get before one will give up on projectors? I think they are already up to 95" diag for a price of ~ $10K, which seems to be getting close. My screen is ~150" diag (in 16x9 config), so still some way to go for that. For me, if the size could be attained at a price </= that of the 4500, I would be happy to go that route.
It will need to be the 13' wide 2.00:1 version of " The Wall : Luxury " for me. Currently beyond too expensive !
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Wow, do you have a job/career, spouse, kids, outside interests, etc.?

I’m wondering why you have such a blacked out home “theater” and watch so few movies?
Different strokes for different folks. I only watch movies and never game myself ( except rarely on a PC ). We're all different.

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I’m wondering why you have such a blacked out home “theater” and watch so few movies?
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Different strokes for different folks. I only watch movies and never game myself ( except rarely on a PC ). We're all different.

Situations change too. I finally got to build another dedicated HT to my specs in my current house a few years ago after having a mixed use HT used pretty much daily. However, since doing that my wife doesn't like watching anything in the home theater at all and I end up watching a huge amount of content that I'd rather view in the HT on the 65" ZD9 in the living room and listening through the Sonic Carrier sound bar . I then cop grief I attempt to go off and view anything on my own in the HT. So my hours on my Z1 are barely all this time later as one of, if not the earliest adopter, barely cracking 500 hrs!
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It will need to be the 13' wide 2.00:1 version of " The Wall : Luxury " for me. Currently beyond too expensive !
Is your current screen 13' wide? Mine is 12', and that's larger than many people here seem to have.
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Is your current screen 13' wide? Mine is 12', and that's larger than many people here seem to have.
No, but it would fit ( I measured ). And if I'm giving up projection for a fixed display after all these years, it has to be a pretty damn good display. Anyway, they come in certain sizes / aspect ratios, and that one would be larger / better than my current screens. Otherwise, why bother ?

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Situations change too. I finally got to build another dedicated HT to my specs in my current house a few years ago after having a mixed use HT used pretty much daily. However, since doing that my wife doesn't like watching anything in the home theater at all and I end up watching a huge amount of content that I'd rather view in the HT on the 65" ZD9 in the living room and listening through the Sonic Carrier sound bar . I then cop grief I attempt to go off and view anything on my own in the HT. So my hours on my Z1 are barely all this time later as one of, if not the earliest adopter, barely cracking 500 hrs!
Ask your wife what you can do in your theater to entice your wife to want to go there. Since the addition of the 4500, we are now watching a few of our favorite Netflix/Amazon series in the theater that we use to watch on our TV. Not only is the image far superior, up mixing the audio to use all of the theater speakers really improves the experience, including for my wife. We still probably won't hit 600 hours in a year !!
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Situations change too. I finally got to build another dedicated HT to my specs in my current house a few years ago after having a mixed use HT used pretty much daily. However, since doing that my wife doesn't like watching anything in the home theater at all and I end up watching a huge amount of content that I'd rather view in the HT on the 65" ZD9 in the living room and listening through the Sonic Carrier sound bar . I then cop grief I attempt to go off and view anything on my own in the HT. So my hours on my Z1 are barely all this time later as one of, if not the earliest adopter, barely cracking 500 hrs!
It's a shame your wife doesn't like it. Sat. night we had a packed house to watch " A Star is Born " on 4K BR. We like to have movie nights when we can with friends. Maybe get a few of her favorite chick flicks, open a nice bottle of wine, and make it a movie date night ? My wife loves La La Land, Interstellar, Contact, Inception, Hell - I'll watch The Notebook with her.
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No, but it would fit ( I measured ). And if I'm giving up projection for a fixed display after all these years, it has to be a pretty damn good display. Anyway, they come in certain sizes / aspect ratios, and that one would be larger / better than my current screens. Otherwise, why bother ?
Craig,
If and when I go with the 'Wall' I would like to turn the Home Theater on its head - I envision a space - where you don't have to go away like we do in our home theaters today - which flows into the living space.
There will be compromises - say with audio - but the utility will be huge and more of a social place to meet and watch movies and shows - than going to a bat cave.
Sight lines will not be a issue as no only cutting the image as in a projector.
To each his own though..
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Ask your wife what you can do in your theater to entice your wife to want to go there. Since the addition of the 4500, we are now watching a few of our favorite Netflix/Amazon series in the theater that we use to watch on our TV. Not only is the image far superior, up mixing the audio to use all of the theater speakers really improves the experience, including for my wife. We still probably won't hit 600 hours in a year !!
We watch shows like " Homeland " in the theater, and there are even some fun summer network shows my wife loves watching - everything from " Under The Dome " to " Salvation " to " Seal Team ". And the Winter Olympics when they are on ( we don't watch sports other than Iron Man Kona and Tour de France ).
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We watch shows like " Homeland " in the theater, and there are even some fun summer network shows my wife loves watching - everything from " Under The Dome " to " Salvation " to " Seal Team ". And the Winter Olympics when they are on ( we don't watch sports other than Iron Man Kona and Tour de France ).
I'm a college football addict so many of our theater hours in the past were on Saturday for about 12 hours !! That won't change this coming season.

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If and when I go with the 'Wall' I would like to turn the Home Theater on its head - I envision a space - where you don't have to go away like we do in our home theaters today - which flows into the living space.
There will be compromises - say with audio - but the utility will be huge and more of a social place to meet and watch movies and shows - than going to a bat cave.
Sight lines will not be a issue as no only cutting the image as in a projector.
To each his own though..
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If and when giant displays like that are affordable ( my dream 13' wide one is currently $350K ), people may re-design their theaters.
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If and when giant displays like that are affordable ( my 13' wide one is currently $350K ), people may re-design their theaters.
The original 42" flat panel was $20,000 and today (~20 years later), they are $200 (or less). So envisioning that screen size at $35,000 in 10 years in not unimaginable.

But probably not for this guy !!

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Ask your wife what you can do in your theater to entice your wife to want to go there. Since the addition of the 4500, we are now watching a few of our favorite Netflix/Amazon series in the theater that we use to watch on our TV. Not only is the image far superior, up mixing the audio to use all of the theater speakers really improves the experience, including for my wife. We still probably won't hit 600 hours in a year !!
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It's a shame your wife doesn't like it. Sat. night we had a packed house to watch " A Star is Born " on 4K BR. We like to have movie nights when we can with friends. Maybe get a few of her favorite chick flicks, open a nice bottle of wine, and make it a movie date night ? My wife loves La La Land, Interstellar, Contact, Inception, Hell - I'll watch The Notebook with her.

Yeah, she just doesn't enjoy at it all it seems, doesn't want to watch any content on it. I can partly blame fact we used to have cats and there is a bit a residual issue there that I need to get the pro carpet guys in for. Otherwise there's nothing in my opinion to prevent anyone enjoying it way more than sitting in the living room. Mind you when I had the small custom basement HT in my city duplex, I don't recall her wanting to use that to view her choice of content either. No pleasing some I guess! Yet on the other hand she'll very occasionally want to go out and pay to sit in 'gold class' a theatrette to watch a new release.



Funny you mention A Star is Born, I recall watching that once again down in the living room. Unfortunately, if even a star is born isn't tempting enough I don't know what would be. The only other time she wanted to entertain a visitor was to watch Bohemian Rhapsody while I was away, but I think in the end I hadn't fixed some harmony automation issues and she didn't get around to it anyway.
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Yeah, she just doesn't enjoy at it all it seems, doesn't want to watch any content on it. I can partly blame fact we used to have cats and there is a bit a residual issue there that I need to get the pro carpet guys in for. Otherwise there's nothing in my opinion to prevent anyone enjoying it way more than sitting in the living room. Mind you when I had the small custom basement HT in my city duplex, I don't recall her wanting to use that to view her choice of content either. No pleasing some I guess! Yet on the other hand she'll very occasionally want to go out and pay to sit in 'gold class' a theatrette to watch a new release.



Funny you mention A Star is Born, I recall watching that once again down in the living room. Unfortunately, if even a star is born isn't tempting enough I don't know what would be. The only other time she wanted to entertain a visitor was to watch Bohemian Rhapsody while I was away, but I think in the end I hadn't fixed some harmony automation issues and she didn't get around to it anyway.
Well, I do watch my share of very loud action movies ( John Wick 1 &2 etc. ) and war movies with " the boys ", so you might need to branch out with theme nights for your friends ( Goldfinger / martini night ! ). My wife and I watch just about all new films in our theater. The last time we went to a commercial theater together to watch a movie was 2008. And we've both been to a commercial theater exactly once since then.

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Since I have made the most recent cosmetic changes as well as moving to the 4500/Panamorph, my wife enjoys using our theater more so than ever before. I'm still working on getting it a bit more spouse friendly to operate, and am hopeful this next small thing I am doing will get me there. Then she can have more "girl's movie nights" and I don't need to be involved. I have most of the key functions operational via "Alexa" and that really helps as well.

I have ONLY been to see a movie in a commercial theater on a very few occasions in the last 5 to 10 because we were out of town visiting my grand kids and they wanted to go see a movie.

I do like the idea of a "guy's movie night" and will be putting one of those together. Thanks for the idea.

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Well, I do watch my share of very loud action movies ( John Wick 1 &2 etc. ) and war movies with " the boys ", so you might need to branch out with theme nights for your friends ( Goldfinger / martini night ! ). My wife and I watch just about all new films in our theater. The last time we went to a commercial theater together to watch a movie was 2008. And we've both been to a commercial theater exactly once since then.

Believe me Craig, I'd love to invite people over to watch stuff but unless I am having friends down to stay on a weekend, as I don't tend have many local friends visit, this scenario is a rare one as well. Not helping as the fact I don't have as many local friends as Sydney friends (1hr 20 drive essentially) these days on top of a lack of convenience issue with some 'local' friends now living 20 minutes away from where I used live in my area. Then there's the scenario when she invites people over (usually her friends) where she wants it to be more of a social 'chit chat' party and doesn't want people going off to watch a movie (mind you in my HT we run out of room fast as well if there's too many).All of this conspires to effectively kibosh my attempts to get more use out my HT. It's getting to the stage where I actually am getting to use my weekender's HT more only being there twice a month at best than my main HT lol. Best shot I get for an 'acceptable' movie viewing scenario is to invite my bro in law and possibly teenage nephews over (mind you 14-16s are so fickle, even the best HT experience does keep them there!) who live 5mins down the road! My best opportunities tend to arise when I'm home alone, then I practically move into the HT lol. The excuse to go to commercial HT arises now only when we are both staying in Sydney on a weekend with no child at our current 'HT-less' place ironically. With that said last time was 'Blackkklansman' last August.
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