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Mark Seaton with his new 18" subs. Nice design for my room since they have a 20" face such that two fit perfectly in the back wall out of the projection room.

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Here is Rick Reeves my builder with the heavy duty enclosure he built to accommodate the Seatons. Sony 5000es just above his head.

















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Finally, the last upgrades are completed after the Sub install and calibration and room tuning by Mark this weekend. We were able to enjoy the Sony 5000 firing onto the 16' wide screen with some folks in for a party.







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Mark spent a great deal of time getting things to sound great with the Trinnov, his Submersives in the front and all of the new Atmos gear including the Harman/JBL surrounds , and ceiling and the new M2 mains.


Things sound very clean and power to spare. I still enjoy my dumb luck decision to put the theater on the second floor. The whole structure shakes under your feet ,visceral is an understatement.
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I do want to thanks Chris Cooley for getting me into the JBL gear ,new Stewart screen and the Sony 5000es....and the great great support after the fact getting the room torn out and back up in record time. I also want to thank Rick Reeves my builder, how he got the enormous Stewart up that narrow staircase still amazes me ! I also want to thank Ken Whitcomb for getting this running on site and the video calibration. Oh and Don Kellogg for helping get the network function to allow remote Trinnov access as needed.


I'll add some pictures of the progression later......
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Pictures aren't loading for me.

You alluded to the JBLs in another post. Was your desire to switch to JBL from hearing Rob Hahn's theater?
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congrats, Art. It looks like your visit to Rob Hahn had a significant influence on you - Sony projector and JBL M2s. And the Seaton subs must be killer! Looking forward to your pics.

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Yes he said so whilst deferring to Rob's Filmaker expertise, something to the likes of Good enough for this pro good enough for me.
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You alluded to the JBLs in another post. Was your desire to switch to JBL from hearing Rob Hahn's theater?

Yes, and Chris Cooley guided me along after my visit there.
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Yes he said so whilst deferring to Rob's Filmaker expertise, something to the likes of Good enough for this pro good enough for me.

Exactly ! I still have a hard on after visiting Rob's theater.


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congrats, Art. It looks like your visit to Rob Hahn had a significant influence on you - Sony projector and JBL M2s. And the Seaton subs must be killer! Looking forward to your pics.

Thanks very much !



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Yes, and Chris Cooley guided me along after my visit there.
That's great. The M2s are awesome speakers.

What speakers did you go with for the rest of the system?

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Mark Seaton with his new 18" subs. Nice design for my room since they have a 20" face such that two fit perfectly in the back wall out of the projection room.
What are the new 18" subs called, they don't look like the F18. Almost look like the Submersive with 18"?

I see after scrolling down the amps are on the back it looks like so just 1 18" per enclosure?

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Wow... just wow. I can only imagin the sound ( and yes, soon enough I'd like to see and hear)! Congrats!

Goodbye to a great audio and video genius and writer... JOHN GANNON. I enjoyed your friendship, wit and a nice long run we took around Indianapolis at CEDIA years back... and for buying my Runco 980 Ultra years back... you saved my ass! Rest in peace.
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That's great. The M2s are awesome speakers.

What speakers did you go with for the rest of the system?

The eight surrounds are JBL Harman SCL-3s the six ceiling speakers are the JBL Harman SCL-4s. I still have two 12" Triad subs in two of the columns and, of course, along with the two new 18s in the back I have four Seaton Submersives behind the screen with the M2s.


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What are the new 18" subs called, they don't look like the F18. Almost look like the Submersive with 18"?

I see after scrolling down the amps are on the back it looks like so just 1 18" per enclosure?

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The 18" subs you have are a model from our new Designer Series, the DS18-20, where the 20 indicates the 20" square face dimensions which allowed the pair to fit in the available space at the rear of the room. The 4,000W amplifier is located in your equipment rack.



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Congrats Art. Nice that Mark Seaton helped with the install. It would have been nice to have him
when his 6 F18 and Two Submersives were delivered to me in April 2016. So that left Adam to install and calibrate them. I'm sure Adam didn't mind the manufacturer no show ??
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Congrats Art. Nice that Mark Seaton helped with the install.
Ah ,yea ! I'm blessed. I talked him into staying for the party and show as well which was an added bonus.


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The eight surrounds are JBL Harman SCL-3s the six ceiling speakers are the JBL Harman SCL-4s. I still have two 12" Triad subs in two of the columns and, of course, along with the two new 18s in the back I have four Seaton Submersives behind the screen with the M2s.


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Wow, that is a full on Synthesis system.

Those SCLs do sound nice. My audiophile friend Steve thought the JBL demo with the SCLs last year were the best he listened to.

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I heard good things of that demo.
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Art,

What amps are you using for the M2s and the rest of your JBL (surround/ceiling) speakers?
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What amps are you using for the M2s and the rest of your JBL (surround/ceiling) speakers?


He is using JBL Synthesis Amps, both the SDA4600 and the SDA8300 models.

The M2 are driven with 2 - 600 watt channels each. (1200 watts per M2)

The SCL3s and SCL4s are driven with 1 - 300 watt channel each.




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He is using JBL Synthesis Amps, both the SDA4600 and the SDA8300 models.

The M2 are driven with 2 - 600 watt channels each. (1200 watts per M2)

The SCL3s and SCL4s are driven with 1 - 300 watt channel each.




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Thanks.

What are the differences (if any) between powering an M2 with the SDA 4600 vs. with the Crown iTech 5000HD?
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One end of the Stewart sitting in our front room. Rick had to remove a section of the wall going up the stairs to make the turn.
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Yes, a theater left in there some place.
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Position of new speakers, one of the SL3s in each of eight columns.


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The M2s in place sitting on their sand filled stands to raise them to proper height relative to the new screen.
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I hope to have a get together here later in the summer.
A visit to your place has been on my "ht bucket list". Jeff's place too. I think he's close to you. It would be awesome to knock 2 points off that ht bucket list at once.

When I saw the pic of your ht in construction mode it brought back memories of the last year where we did a whole house reno. I still haven't gotten back into the theatre to "finish up". Got some new stuff too, nowhere near as much new stuff as you but enough for some performance gains in various areas.

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I just wanted to add a couple things to your post. I think it's important to mention how well this room was constructed originally.

Art put significant thought and effort into the original theater build and that played a big role in helping get this upgrade done quickly and smoothly.

One of Art's stipulations when we started on this project, was the fact that he didn't want to pull any fabric. This was a big issue considering the entire room was wrapped in fabric from floor to ceiling.

After reviewing the photos of the original build, it became clear that his columns were constructed in a manner which would make this process extremely easy. His columns were basically two in one. One column was permanently attached to the wall which the speaker was attached to. A second column "cover" was built and wrapped in fabric. That column cover slid over the column which was permanently attached to the wall.

So all that had to be done was remove the sconce light and just slide off the exterior column cover. What a brilliant design!

His room has 8 columns. 3 on each side and 2 on the back wall. His original sound system was a typical 7.1 setup. He had 2 side speakers in his middle columns on each side of the room and he had 2 speakers in the two rear columns. We removed the 4 old Triad speakers and install the new JBL SCL3. The JBL speakers fit perfectly in the existing opening. We then added speakers to the 4 additional columns that didn't have speakers originally.

In addition to the wall speakers we added 6 JBL SCL4 speakers in the ceiling for 3D audio formats.

So we were able to take a room with a 7.1 system and go to a full 11.1.6 system without making a single cosmetic change.

Same goes for the work Mark Seaton did in adding the rear subwoofers. He was able to remove all wall material from the back side of the theater, only leaving the back of wall fabric exposed from the equipment room. Great job!

The front screen wall was also constructed in a manner to make it extremely easy to upgrade. He has two little columns that flank the screen. All they had to do was to cut those back slightly and the new 16' Stewart screen was able to perfectly slide into place of the old 14' wide Stewart screen. The 16' Vistascope now sits directly on the sand filled stage and just barely cleared the drop-down soffit.

I also want to mention how smart Art was when it came to buying a new projector. When we began to talk about the Sony 5000ES, the only way he would consider a purchase was to see what the unit could do in his room. I sent Art a unit to try out. He had Ken Whitcomb come in and measure the light output and to calibrate the unit so he knew exactly what he was getting. It was during this process that Art was able to determine that not only did he love the 5000ES, but that he had enough light output to consider moving to an even larger screen.

This was something Art had been considering for a long time, especially since he still watches a lot of 16:9 and even 4:3 content. By going to a 16' wide scope, since he was limited in ceiling height, this allowed him to put in the largest screen his wall would hold. His image now reaches from wall to wall and floor to ceiling. This gives him an even more immersive 16:9 and 4:3 image where he watches from the front row. He now watches scope images from the second row because of the massive size!

Here are a few more pictures of the work in progress and of the equipment. Congrats Art on your upgrade! I hope it brings you many many more years of happiness.







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Thanks Chris ! Without exaggeration, you've been one of the best people I've ever worked with. Getting this done with a minimal of down time, communicating with those involved here to keep the work flow in a logical efficient fashion, and providing all of us with what we needed as it went was quite impressive really.


One incredible thing was the deliveries. I was in on my way to Terre Haute for a visit with the football coach at Rose Hullman with Tyrus the day everything needed to be delivered .You said when you expected each of what I think were four large deliveries. Angela was sending me texts and pictures.... it was funny "oh there's a big truck", "oh look there is the next one" etc all before 11AM as you had said.


Maybe it's that southern drawl but just chatting with you would calm me down when I needed it.


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