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While interesting I'm leary about buying a separate box for these types of things also since it would be locked down to one source and only analog outputs.
Swanlee - what amps are you using now? And how many speakers of what type?
And are you still using Lexicon Logic 7?

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Swanlee - what amps are you using now? And how many speakers of what type?
And are you still using Lexicon Logic 7?

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I have an MC-12 as my main system, using a Lexicon 512 amp and a wireless amp for rear speakers so 7 channels and 2 sub woofers.

Still use Logic7 for everything and the issue with that product is it would only take audio from one source. I need my Pre/Pro to take in all my sources and deliver Logic7 quality sound.
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I have an MC-12 as my main system, using a Lexicon 512 amp and a wireless amp for rear speakers so 7 channels and 2 sub woofers.

Still use Logic7 for everything and the issue with that product is it would only take audio from one source. I need my Pre/Pro to take in all my sources and deliver Logic7 quality sound.

Oh - I don't understand that. Looking at pictures of the back of an MC-12 there seem to be 5 pairs of RCA inputs, plus a bunch of optical/SPDIF inputs. Can you not plug various sources into these, like your stremaer, DAC, Turntable, TV, Satellite dish, bluray player, etc?
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Oh - I don't understand that. Looking at pictures of the back of an MC-12 there seem to be 5 pairs of RCA inputs, plus a bunch of optical/SPDIF inputs. Can you not plug various sources into these, like your stremaer, DAC, Turntable, TV, Satellite dish, bluray player, etc?
My MC-12 does Logic7 I'm fine with it as is. However if I ever want to move to something else I want something that either does Logic7 or a newer DSP mode that is as good as logic 7.

This add on product would only be useful if I could route all my sources through it and attach it to a newer Pre/Pro if i ever decide to move on from my MC-12.

I want all my sources to enjoy the benefit of a logic7 like DSP not just music.
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While it's not even close to the same league as Lexicon, I won't be replacing my Harman Kardon AVR-3600 anytime soon. I use Logic 7 all the time when listening to 2 channel music. I don't find PL2x to be even close. I was sorely disappointed when Harman stopped manufacturing receivers.
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This add on product would only be useful if I could route all my sources through it and attach it to a newer Pre/Pro if i ever decide to move on from my MC-12.

I want all my sources to enjoy the benefit of a logic7 like DSP not just music.

Ah, yes - you're referring to the Surround Master. I'm now thinking of following your solution of getting something like an MC4/8/12 or an RV-5/8.
My issue is how that will wire up to my existing system - which is a Naim 2-channel Preamp/DAC/streamer and a Naim 2-channel power amp and 2 Naim speakers.

As the Lexicons seem to need an analogue input, I guess I'd have to run my Tidal music stream as well as my TV satellite feed and Turntable into my Naim Preamp/DAC/streamer as I do now.
Then take analogue outputs from those into the Lexicon for upsampling to 5.1.

Then take the front 2 channels of that to my Naim power amp as pre-out signals, and the other channels to the remaining speakers.
Does that sound like it would work?
And should the 2 rear speakers be the same type as the 2 front speakers?
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My MC-12 does Logic7 I'm fine with it as is.
Swanlee - do you just leave it in one Logic-7 sound mode for everything? Or do you still play with the different algorithms and options like Dolby, Panorama, etc?
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Swanlee - do you just leave it in one Logic-7 sound mode for everything? Or do you still play with the different algorithms and options like Dolby, Panorama, etc?
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With Logic7 and the MC series it will use the last DSP you used for the source. So for audio the source is always analog and I use Logic7 Music mode for that, For my Xbox which is my 4k player, Video game system and I route my Cable through the Xbox it will be on a dolby digital Version of logic 7.

Every source and every different codec within a source can have a different version of Logic7 attached to it and each one can have about a dozen different parameters set for it that stay in place.
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This thread (and title) reminds me of an 85 year old, half-deaf enthusiast asking if anything beats cassette tape yet for audio (in a digital, 32 discrete ch world)?

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This thread (and title) reminds me of an 85 year old, half-deaf enthusiast asking if anything beats cassette tape yet for audio (in a digital, 32 discrete ch world)?
So does anything beat logic7 yet? The evidence so far seems like nothing does. Since 99% of my music is sourced from 2 channels and always will be and still the vast majority of video sources are still 5.1 or 7.1, upmixing is a pretty big deal and nothing so far seems to work as good compared to Logic7.

I'd jump all over a newer DSP codec that could take 2 channel audio and 5.1 channel audio and up mix it using frequency steering in realtime to 32 channels and sound as good or better and be as adjustable as Logic7.
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This thread (and title) reminds me of an 85 year old, half-deaf enthusiast asking if anything beats cassette tape yet for audio (in a digital, 32 discrete ch world)?
Yes but then you would say that because your profile says:
Occupation: Alpha Certified home theater (acoustics).
So you make your living convincing people to buy wildly expensive hardware and software.
Your income relies on making people feel unhappy about their existing kit.
Remember a few years ago when you were selling the hardware we are discussing here as the best thing since sliced bread?
But now it's suddenly terrible.
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Hey Bland - how about using your specialist knowledge of wiring and audio to tell me how to connect my Naim system to a Lexicon, using my Naim speakers as front L and R?
That would be positive and extremely helpful
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Yes but then you would say that because your profile says:
Occupation: Alpha Certified home theater (acoustics).
So you make your living convincing people to buy wildly expensive hardware and software.
Your income relies on making people feel unhappy about their existing kit.
Remember a few years ago when you were selling the hardware we are discussing here as the best thing since sliced bread?
But now it's suddenly terrible.
Heck I'm literally begging for someone to sell me something as good or better than Logic7. I love my MC-12 but would like some modern features like 4k HDR HDMI pass through and built in DLNA network audio playback etc. I'm not willing to give up Logic7 though until something better comes along.

If any salesman could produce something that would work and sound better than what I'm doing with my MC-12 and logic7 I'd gladly pay up.

Even the new MC-10 has a new version of logic7 but it is only an on/off option while the MC-12 has dozens of different parameters you can adjust so even the MC-10 would probably not work for me.
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Replying to an old thread. Just wanted to reminisce about the good ol' days and agree about Logic 7.

I'm looking to get back into HT as my kids are heading out of the house and I can have good equipment again. Plenty of options out there. I'm dismayed to see that Harmon hasn't kept Lexicon at the forefront. Looking at everything available now makes me miss Logic 7 and my MC-12. I have an older HK receiver with Logic 7, but as others have mentioned it's not the same. Surprisingly good, but not the same (tilt control!).

Looking back the MC-12 was way ahead of it's time. I still don't hear many HTs that sound as good as my 7.1 set up from 2004 (Lexicon + Aerial Acoustics). Have to acknowledge that room correction has gotten much better.

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Replying to an old thread. Just wanted to reminisce about the good ol' days and agree about Logic 7.

I'm looking to get back into HT as my kids are heading out of the house and I can have good equipment again. Plenty of options out there. I'm dismayed to see that Harmon hasn't kept Lexicon at the forefront. Looking at everything available now makes me miss Logic 7 and my MC-12. I have an older HK receiver with Logic 7, but as others have mentioned it's not the same. Surprisingly good, but not the same (tilt control!).

Looking back the MC-12 was way ahead of it's time. I still don't hear many HTs that sound as good as my 7.1 set up from 2004 (Lexicon + Aerial Acoustics). Have to acknowledge that room correction has gotten much better.
I wish the MC-10 had a more robust version of Logic Immersions that carried over the same adjustable tweaks as the pervious versions of Logic 7. If they did that i would have bought the MC-10 day one
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I arrived at this thread via google & see this subforum is for very high end systems. Well I've only used Logic 7 from regular H/K receivers but still greatly prefer it to everything else I've heard. I wonder how long into the future I can rely on using older 2000s H/K receivers as a surround processor just for Logic 7.
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