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Try your favourite parts from The Matrix 4K, Bladerunner 2049 and Ready Player One. All Great demos.

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It is funny that in less than a year the 760 has gone from high end status, to entry level model in the laser line up. The 270 of the laser projectors if you will, with all the lack of (or underperforming) features commensurate with such a position.

Last year Sony carped on about the effective laser dimming and superior infinite contrast.
And yet, here we are 9 months later, with all of the actual shortcomings of those features reported back to them and instead of fixing them, they release a new model in the 870 that magically addresses everything brought up. So the 870's version of infinite contrast must better than the 760's then. How is that possible?

So why not just get those features working 100% and properly on the 760 as well?

I would have more time for Sony at this point, if they had just released a 765 with the new lens and allowed me to upgrade my unit with that lens for a decent cost along with the software update.

They should have saved the 800/900 line for RGB lasers or dual lasers or something. Now that WOULD be worth 10k extra!

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It is funny that in less than a year the 760 has gone from high end status, to entry level model in the laser line up. The 270 of the laser projectors if you will, with all the lack of (or underperforming) features commensurate with such a position.

Last year Sony carped on about the effective laser dimming and superior infinite contrast.
And yet, here we are 9 months later, with all of the actual shortcomings of those features reported back to them and instead of fixing them, they release a new model in the 870 that magically addresses everything brought up. So the 870's version of infinite contrast must better than the 760's then. How is that possible?

So why not just get those features working 100% and properly on the 760 as well?

I would have more time for Sony at this point, if they had just released a 765 with the new lens and allowed me to upgrade my unit with that lens for a decent cost along with the software update.

They should have saved the 800/900 line for RGB lasers or dual lasers or something. Now that WOULD be worth 10k extra!
Just to note, there might be still a good offer coming to 760es owners to upgrade to 870es for less than 10k, I am still awaiting information from my supplier, so far he has no news yet, I believe we will know at the end of November. We just need to wait and see.

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Just to note, there might be still a good offer coming to 760es owners to upgrade to 870es for less than 10k, I am still awaiting information from my supplier, so far he has no news yet, I believe we will know at the end of November. We just need to wait and see.

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It will have to be a LOT less than 10k!! If it is dealer based that is one thing, but I want Sony to do something across the board about this.

I would remain happy with my 760 and its lens, but the DFO and iris being handed over would mean I will more than likely stay with Sony upon my next big ticket purchase.

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Having said that, if one CAN upgrade to an 870 for a relatively small amount, Sony will likely succeed in keeping me away from those very impressive looking JVC's!

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And now it seems they are saying that reality creation is improved on the 870, with an even bigger database etc etc. I don't believe it, I reckon it is just the digital focus thingy. No way to prove it anyway, so they can say what they want.

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Anyone here willing to share his settings for PS4 Pro in HDR mode? I’m still struggling to find the best settings, picture remains a bit dark.
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I don't use a PS4 but the only way I have found to get good HDR out of this machine is to build custom curves. I had a calibrator do four and I have done two using LightSpace. The in-built curves cannot compete with custom.



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Official Sony VW885ES / VW760ES Owner's Thread

So the new projector lineup gets IMAX enhanced certification yet we don't? Has this been confirmed? Even the low end one has it lol

"Here’s the full list of devices Sony has confirmed as being in line for IMAX Enhanced functionality: the upcoming A9F (AF9 in Europe) Master Series OLED TV and Z9F (ZF9) Master Series LED TV; the A8F (AF8) OLED TVs; the A1E (A1) OLED TVs; the X900F (XF900) LED TVs; and the new VW995ES (VW870ES in Europe), VW695ES (VW570ES) and VW295ES (VW270ES) 4K projectors."

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I asked about this over in the 995 anticipation thread but haven't yet seen a response from Arrow. It would be interesting to know what this requires and means/benefits on the display side.
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It is said here that the 760 is already certified. This is just a sticker guys.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300707902.html
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It is said here that the 760 is already certified. This is just a sticker guys.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300707902.html


Oh? So they are not pushing a new calibrated mode or something like we are use to seeing with thx certified displays?
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It is said here that the 760 is already certified. This is just a sticker guys.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300707902.html
It might turn out that you are right about it being just a sticker but according to the below it is something other than just HDR10 for an IMAX Enhanced display.

I had seen this from Batpig:

"The HDR actually won’t be proprietary as I initially assumed, rather it will be HDR10, but specially graded / mastered according to IMAX standards. If the display is also IMAX Enhanced, in addition to the performance certification stuff, it will also lock into a special IMAX picture mode when it detects IMAX enhanced content as the input signal... a non IMAX display will just display it as standard 4K HDR10."

And this:

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...l#post56771408
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It is said here that the 760 is already certified. This is just a sticker guys.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300707902.html
According to that article, there is an optimised picture mode involved. So how can the 760 be already certified if they haven't fully agreed the certification yet? Unless I read it wrong....

I am willing to bet that the 760 being IMAX certified is pure gumph and we won't see an update for that either.

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It is funny that in less than a year the 760 has gone from high end status, to entry level model in the laser line up. The 270 of the laser projectors if you will, with all the lack of (or underperforming) features commensurate with such a position.

Last year Sony carped on about the effective laser dimming and superior infinite contrast.
And yet, here we are 9 months later, with all of the actual shortcomings of those features reported back to them and instead of fixing them, they release a new model in the 870 that magically addresses everything brought up. So the 870's version of infinite contrast must better than the 760's then. How is that possible?

So why not just get those features working 100% and properly on the 760 as well?

I would have more time for Sony at this point, if they had just released a 765 with the new lens and allowed me to upgrade my unit with that lens for a decent cost along with the software update.

They should have saved the 800/900 line for RGB lasers or dual lasers or something. Now that WOULD be worth 10k extra!
I remembered when I said that the ONLY reason you don't have dynamic iris PLUS dynamic laser was because SONY wanted to sell a more expensive model and i got flag for it lolz... people were saying all sorts of things like, oh it's not necessary because sony knows what they are doing, etc...
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I remembered when I said that the ONLY reason you don't have dynamic iris PLUS dynamic laser was because SONY wanted to sell a more expensive model and i got flag for it lolz... people were saying all sorts of things like, oh it's not necessary because sony knows what they are doing, etc...
lol none of the rest of us do, though I hope I was one of the ones who agreed with you (or at least didn't disagree lol), was obvious what they would do...

A projector, some seats, a screen, oh a receiver and some speakers i guess, and a few consoles, an AT-AT, and a Millenium Falcon i need to unbox and have a display table made...
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Agreed. It was bound to be for that reason.

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I remembered when I said that the ONLY reason you don't have dynamic iris PLUS dynamic laser was because SONY wanted to sell a more expensive model and i got flag for it lolz... people were saying all sorts of things like, oh it's not necessary because sony knows what they are doing, etc...
That is just silly!

Sony currently sells a 285es for $5K and the 385es for $8K with the only major difference, a DI. Guess what they are both big sellers according to the industry analysts.

If they wanted to they could have a model with laser no dimming, another with laser dimming, and a 3rd with laser dimming and DI and sell all 3.
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That is just silly!

Sony currently sells a 285es for $5K and the 385es for $8K with the only major difference, a DI. Guess what they are both big sellers according to the industry analysts.

If they wanted to they could have a model with laser no dimming, another with laser dimming, and a 3rd with laser dimming and DI and sell all 3.
Honestly, I have no problem with Sony marketing pricing their projectors by the included feature set. Even if some of those feature exist and are crippled on low end projectors.

What I can't stand is the non-sensical $10K markup on the US version of the 760 and 870. Makes no sense other than Sony can and does get away with it. Don't they realize that their US customers do have a brain and can compare to the European pricing. It really is an insult and has definitely prevented me from making a purchase that I would have made if Sony priced the 885 at 760 prices.
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Anyone here willing to share his settings for PS4 Pro in HDR mode? I’m still struggling to find the best settings, picture remains a bit dark.
What do you need?
BTW are you saying it is dark in a game that supports HDR or on the dash / regular games - I ask because both the xbox and ps4 IIRC are not HDR other than in games that support HDR - i.e. you have to switch between say TV and TV bright between dash and HDR game.

A projector, some seats, a screen, oh a receiver and some speakers i guess, and a few consoles, an AT-AT, and a Millenium Falcon i need to unbox and have a display table made...

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Just got the Panasonic UB820

Anyone have settings for the Sony 760ES?

I set it to Low Luminance display or Projector and the dark scenes in Black Panther seem slightly less crushed. Looks sharper too.
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Just got the Panasonic UB820

Anyone have settings for the Sony 760ES?

I set it to Low Luminance display or Projector and the dark scenes in Black Panther seem slightly less crushed. Looks sharper too.

Here are my settings that I like to use:

UB820: SDR2020, HDR optimizer on, slider to +2

885: Laser at 80, D65, Gamma 2.4, BT2020, tune brighness and contrast with masciola disc (For me with masciola i get brightness on 50, contrast on max)

Youll get nice bright images. The HDR optimizer on in the SDR2020 setting will tone map according to each disc metadata. I think it works great. Much better details in dark scenes, and no clipping in the extra bright scenes (I can finally see the minister of magics face in harry potter goblet of fire quidditch scene). I just wish it had an HDMI input like oppo.
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What do you need?

BTW are you saying it is dark in a game that supports HDR or on the dash / regular games - I ask because both the xbox and ps4 IIRC are not HDR other than in games that support HDR - i.e. you have to switch between say TV and TV bright between dash and HDR game.


It is a bit dark even with the HDR contrast slider set to its max setting. Does anybody here test the HDR Reference preset? I was not aware that there was different settings.
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It is a bit dark even with the HDR contrast slider set to its max setting. Does anybody here test the HDR Reference preset? I was not aware that there was different settings.
For HDR gaming and streaming HDR, I use my old german custom gamma curves from my Sony 385 days. Its much brighter than the factory HDR curve. Im sure you could find them on the 285 or 385 thread if youd like to try them. I dont use the curves for uhd discs (I like the panny 820 SDR2020 tone mapping), but the German curves arent bad for gaming and netflix.

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It is a bit dark even with the HDR contrast slider set to its max setting. Does anybody here test the HDR Reference preset? I was not aware that there was different settings.
I have used the built in HDR modes Bright TV and Film 1 just fine.
I also have custom gamma curves from a calibration, if anything they make it a little dark.
I don't use HDR set to full IIRC (I am about to get on a plane for 4 weeks in EU so can't check, sorry).

One thing to check is the console actually outputting correctly - when on the info menu with HDR content from the console you should BT2020 as the signal format - though note you may see this on the dashboard when it is not in HDR - very confusing.

When I get back in 4 weeks if you are still seeing issues I can report back all my settings - also I note I have to use the games HDR calibration modes to gte things looking how I want (god of war on ps4 pro, ACdyseey and tombraider on xbox one x).

Only time it ever has looked too dark is when the projector is in a HDR picture mode and the console is outputting in standard REC 709 (or whatever it is).

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Two things to note on tone mapping for HDR games:

a) unlike movie which are mastered to a peak brightness which is generally limited to the peak brightness of the mastering monitor, and therefore does no use the full 10,000nit input range of ST2084, games are hard coded to use the full 10,000nit input range. This can mess up and confuse some tone mapping if it tries to render the entire 0-10,000nit range.

I use a Lumagen Pro, and set the clipping point to around 6,000nit input. In the absence of that you may need to implement a separate tone mapping curve.

b) Perhaps more conveniently for most users, most PS4 HDR games that I've played generally have a brightness slider in the video settings that allows adjustment of the HDR rendering to better suit the peak brightness of the display, so a suitably bright image should be achievable simply by adjusting that to taste.
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Two things to note on tone mapping for HDR games:



a) unlike movie which are mastered to a peak brightness which is generally limited to the peak brightness of the mastering monitor, and therefore does no use the full 10,000nit input range of ST2084, games are hard coded to use the full 10,000nit input range. This can mess up and confuse some tone mapping if it tries to render the entire 0-10,000nit range.



I use a Lumagen Pro, and set the clipping point to around 6,000nit input. In the absence of that you may need to implement a separate tone mapping curve.



b) Perhaps more conveniently for most users, most PS4 HDR games that I've played generally have a brightness slider in the video settings that allows adjustment of the HDR rendering to better suit the peak brightness of the display, so a suitably bright image should be achievable simply by adjusting that to taste.


Yes of course. I actually didn’t think about doing just that ;-) I’ll give it a try.
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Hi guys, I'm using my VW760ES for a few months now, only now I found time to read that thread almost entirely (on the page 95 now); I read many posts about blue streaking; unfortunately my pj also has this defect;
can you please check attached images; I see this defect from my seating position; obviously it is much more intense when I see it in few centimeters from the screen; but it is still noticable from my seating position as well;
do you think such defect worth trying to replace my unit ? defect is visible only under specific conditions (black background and bright white letters, such as opening or closing titles) - but I dont think I'm comfortable keeping so much expensive unit if the same units others owns, have that blue streaking defect in much lesser extent.

what do you guys think?


ps. when taking photos with my iphone I intentionally tried to overexpose them, because without that photos was not representing amount of blue streaking I see; so perhaps now defect is greater on the photos than in reality, but I think it is better represent actual defect I'm seeing.
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post #3359 of 4728 Old 09-14-2018, 04:28 AM
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Here are my settings that I like to use:



UB820: SDR2020, HDR optimizer on, slider to +2



885: Laser at 80, D65, Gamma 2.4, BT2020, tune brighness and contrast with masciola disc (For me with masciola i get brightness on 50, contrast on max)



Youll get nice bright images. The HDR optimizer on in the SDR2020 setting will tone map according to each disc metadata. I think it works great. Much better details in dark scenes, and no clipping in the extra bright scenes (I can finally see the minister of magics face in harry potter goblet of fire quidditch scene). I just wish it had an HDMI input like oppo.


OMG

THIS WORKED SO WELL FOR ME.

Tonight I decided to take the Oppo 203 out of the projector set up and replaced it with the 820.

And I used your settings

DAMN. After marveling at how good Black Panther looked on the ZD9 with Dolby Vision I had despaired at getting this title to work with projectors.

But with this new setting the terribly washed out scenes with the 760ES previously now look actually watchable.

Not sure why my Gamma was set to Gamma 7 so I left it there. It actually looks a lot like on my ZD9
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UB820: SDR2020, HDR optimizer on, slider to +2

885: Laser at 80, D65, Gamma 2.4, BT2020, tune brighness and contrast with masciola disc (For me with masciola i get brightness on 50, contrast on max)

Youll get nice bright images. The HDR optimizer on in the SDR2020 setting will tone map according to each disc metadata. I think it works great. Much better details in dark scenes, and no clipping in the extra bright scenes (I can finally see the minister of magics face in harry potter goblet of fire quidditch scene). I just wish it had an HDMI input like oppo.
Does the HDR optimizer not work in HDR mode? Do you manually have to change to SDR2020 for it to become available?

Otherwise I wonder why you're not running with HDR on and doing the HDR optimizer on top of the regular signal that's stored on disc?
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