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I saw some posts that Sony plan an IMAX picture mode. Does anybody has more information?

Can we expect something similar like the new JVC with autotonemap curves, which would be a big benefit for HDR compared to the static one in our VW760??
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I saw some posts that Sony plan an IMAX picture mode. Does anybody has more information?

Can we expect something similar like the new JVC with autotonemap curves, which would be a big benefit for HDR compared to the static one in our VW760??
I doubt that Sony will release any update on our model, from the Support I've been told there are no such plans anyway.

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The weird thing is the 760ES was specifically mentioned as one of those with IMAX enhanced support in the press release.
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The weird thing is the 760ES was specifically mentioned as one of those with IMAX enhanced support in the press release.


Exactly that was my point....

Let’s hope, that they really have done some brainwork to implement something like JVC
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Exactly that was my point....

Let’s hope, that they really have done some brainwork to implement something like JVC
Very very doubt that.

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After Sony’s dismal track record in this, I’m inclined to agree with Soul.

Like I said, I was surprised to see the 885/760 in the list.
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Would be so much easier for them to retool the dynamic iris code from 995ES and release it on our 885ES, than to start new development for an HDR optimizer.

If you compare how a company like Oppo worked with firmware to improve the customer experience, I believe Sony is in the other camp where they will not improve on old customers' experiences but will rather want them to pay by upgrade to a new model instead. To be fair, I think JVC did some holdouts on FW as well between some models.

I think this model can only work in markets that are this limited, but only time will tell if there will be more CX-minded companies breaking in. Or maybe MicroLED will have made the market obsolete before then!
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After Sony’s dismal track record in this, I’m inclined to agree with Soul.

Like I said, I was surprised to see the 885/760 in the list.
Even though it is still being sold, the 760 is old hat now and I doubt Sony will do any more for it in any way shape or form.

Which is a shame, as they will lose me to JVC as they have taken that stance.

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Would be so much easier for them to retool the dynamic iris code from 995ES and release it on our 885ES, than to start new development for an HDR optimizer.

If you compare how a company like Oppo worked with firmware to improve the customer experience, I believe Sony is in the other camp where they will not improve on old customers' experiences but will rather want them to pay by upgrade to a new model instead. To be fair, I think JVC did some holdouts on FW as well between some models.

I think this model can only work in markets that are this limited, but only time will tell if there will be more CX-minded companies breaking in. Or maybe MicroLED will have made the market obsolete before then!

Indeed it would!

If the market were larger, they would doubtless pay a little more heed to their paymasters/customers. At the moment they operate like they think people owe them money instead giving product and support that are truly worth something.


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From what I read these projectors already support whatever mode it ends up being. However how that could be known before time is beyond me. They knew HLG was coming but couldn't allow/code for it until it had been finalised. Why is IMAX mode any different?

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Hi all. I'm experiencing some wierd clicking noises coming from my pj. It occurs when I go from a hdr image to a non hdr one. For example when I flip my oppo over to tone map and send a sdr image. When the pj switches modes I hear a succession of 4 or 5 rapid mechanical sounding clicks from the pj. As far as I can tell the picture is fine, just had not heard that sound before, nor can I figure out what would be mechanically changing when that happens. Any ideas?

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Hi Guys
Im considering the 760es with all this talk about the JVC being the ultimate are you guys still happy with your unit or are you considering moving to next level up ? Im hoping to get one barnd new with the price reduction but we shall see.

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Im considering the 760es with all this talk about the JVC being the ultimate are you guys still happy with your unit or are you considering moving to next level up ? Im hoping to get one barnd new with the price reduction but we shall see.
I am very happy. Of course I would prefer the new lens but stepping up really just for this (given how Sony prices in the U.S.) doesn't make sense to me at this time. Also, I am waiting for JVC to bring laser down in their line or the next rev of the 4500 before peeking again.
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I am very happy. Of course I would prefer the new lens but stepping up really just for this (given how Sony prices in the U.S.) doesn't make sense to me at this time. Also, I am waiting for JVC to bring laser down in their line or the next rev of the 4500 before peeking again.
I like the idea of the laser, calibrate it once and then leaving it never have too worry about it. Ive seen them in action and they look incredible.

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To your point my experience is that the laser in my 885/760ES does take a moment or so to settle in but the drift is very low. It is scary how bright it can get and yet the shutoff time is nearly instantaneous.
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I like the idea of the laser, calibrate it once and then leaving it never have too worry about it. Ive seen them in action and they look incredible.
I remember reading a post from Kris Deering, that said that was not the case. Still had drift and needed periodic calibrations. I looked for that post, but could not find it. @Kris Deering .
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They do drift. I've already re-calibrated the 885 here at least twice now and both times it was off more than I would have expected since the last time. But it could also be the panel, not the light engine (JVC's weird gamma spike in the center is panel more than lamp).

Also, when I attended the Sony event before CEDIA they mentioned the IMAX stuff and said it meant they met the minimum display specification for IMAX's certification so they were part of the program. They said it wasn't a picture mode or anything along those lines, just a performance spec. So I guess we'll have to wait and see how that all plays out.
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I remember reading a post from Kris Deering, that said that was not the case. Still had drift and needed periodic calibrations. I looked for that post, but could not find it. @Kris Deering .

Yes, they drift but in my case, compared to my lamp-based 350ES, the drift is much, much less (hence my comment) and to date each time I have checked it it is still within a pretty reasonable range.
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Does the 760/885ES have the built in auto calibration like the 550/675ES? Or was it removed because Sony thinks it's no longer needed on laser?

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I remember reading a post from Kris Deering, that said that was not the case. Still had drift and needed periodic calibrations. I looked for that post, but could not find it. @Kris Deering .
Thanks for that Mike, I did not know that.

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They do drift. I've already re-calibrated the 885 here at least twice now and both times it was off more than I would have expected since the last time. But it could also be the panel, not the light engine (JVC's weird gamma spike in the center is panel more than lamp).

Also, when I attended the Sony event before CEDIA they mentioned the IMAX stuff and said it meant they met the minimum display specification for IMAX's certification so they were part of the program. They said it wasn't a picture mode or anything along those lines, just a performance spec. So I guess we'll have to wait and see how that all plays out.
Thanks Kris, regarding the Imax Certification I'm curious to read what that is all about.
I thought the panels by know would of been improved on this new upcoming line up and the ones before it. Talking to people and seeing them in action they looked very impressive.

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Does the 760/885ES have the built in auto calibration like the 550/675ES? Or was it removed because Sony thinks it's no longer needed on laser?
It does there is a guy demonstrating it on you tube. I was told there is no need to use it. Calibrate it set it and leave it. I'm just getting lazy these days I just want sit back and watch a movie.

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Yes, they drift but in my case, compared to my lamp-based 350ES, the drift is much, much less (hence my comment) and to date each time I have checked it it is still within a pretty reasonable range.
Not arguing that laser does not need calibration as often as lamp based. I was just responding to:

"I like the idea of the laser, calibrate it once and then leaving it never have too worry about it."
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I agree.

There was a "discussion" a while back on what the proper dE to use would be for JND as well as how Sony specs panels and electronics; I haven't looked to see how much more that would relax the parameters around drift/time but it might be significant. What I did see for my unit was that if you wanted a really good picture a LUTBox is far more important than just tweaking the 6-point and gamma from time to time.

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Not arguing that laser does not need calibration as often as lamp based. I was just responding to:

"I like the idea of the laser, calibrate it once and then leaving it never have too worry about it."
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Interesting last few months for all of us with the new upgraded 995 projector from Sony. Have mixed feelings (saw the 995 at CEDIA). Shame on Sony for all of this, but understand the business perspective I think. We all knew the lens opening in the 885 was too large. Lol. Would have paid for the 995 if offered at the time and would likely write a check today to upgrade if offered which I think they should, but gosh, the picture from my 885 is simply amazing especially with my Lumagen Pro. Maybe time to just enjoy watching movies! . SJ
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Interesting last few months for all of us with the new upgraded 995 projector from Sony. Have mixed feelings (saw the 995 at CEDIA). Shame on Sony for all of this, but understand the business perspective I think. We all knew the lens opening in the 885 was too large. Lol. Would have paid for the 995 if offered at the time and would likely write a check today to upgrade if offered which I think they should, but gosh, the picture from my 885 is simply amazing especially with my Lumagen Pro. Maybe time to just enjoy watching movies! . SJ
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Amen! Think we go back to our Pronto days!
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