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Pay me to fly over there and we could have some beer and steak together... then i'll just help you toggle a few things on your projector's user menu!

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While I agree on the market share I don´t on the profit side. It is much more likely that they will add the 3000ES with 3500 lumens for 45.000$
This years models will (historically) have an x80 moniker and the next 870 will likely be the 890 unless they overhaul their line up due to JVC finally getting their sugar together.

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This years models will (historically) have an x80 moniker and the next 870 will likely be the 890 unless they overhaul their line up due to JVC finally getting their sugar together.
Yes, while I personally don´t believe in a successor of the 870 this year, 3500 lumens will probably not be compatible to the 760/870 housing regarding power and cooling.
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Yes, while I personally don´t believe in a successor of the 870 this year, 3500 lumens will probably not be compatible to the 760/870 housing regarding power and cooling.
I can just barely fit the current housing on the cabinet.. any bigger and it won't be an option for me in the future without really breaking apart my 'solid wood' build..

It is actually quite amazing that Sony could fit their laser engine into that cabinet.. although considered big, it's smallish compared to the Z1...
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Which is majorly disappointing from Sony in my book. At least even cursory improvements (that we all know they could make now, on current hardware) would be something. Treating multi thousand pounds devices like cheap gadgets with no support is shameful. Even my cheap TV gets pretty regular updates.
I just found this video that shed A LOT of light on what's happening within Sony...

This actually explains so many things.. why for instance, their tech in their TVs aren't shared on their projectors... or, why the product differentiations, etc..

They really need a CEO that's on top of things.. their departments are literally in-fighting, and no one's at the helm...

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Nope, looks better than ever. I know people chase these oled level blacks, mine isn't that but man does it look good now.
I know if I was a black level'ologist, it would be OLEDs all day long. Projection wouldn't even figure in the equation. I would save all the money I would have spent on numerous projectors and buy the biggest OLED out there.
Black's would be more important than ultimate image size and immersion if black levels were my raison d'etre.

However I too love how images look on my pj. I know things could be better about the image but when it is so colourful, bright and big, I can ignore small drawbacks for the sake of enjoyment. Which is why we buy these things is it not?

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This actually explains so many things.. why for instance, their tech in their TVs aren't shared on their projectors... or, why the product differentiations, etc..

They really need a CEO that's on top of things.. their departments are literally in-fighting, and no one's at the helm..
From what I can tell, their current CEO has only turned their fortune around by being a hatchet man. The in fighting doubtless stems from fear of being made irrelevant.
Imagine working in the relatively niche DSLR or projector divisions. Cheaper and more (relatively) effective tech snapping at your heels and stealing your market slowly and surely. My mate recently bought a Huawei mate Pro (or something) with the three lenses in it and declared 'Why would you need an SLR any more?' The pics he took were excellent and he had a point.
So the projector division by that logic might just be more than happy to receive a 3 generations old 4K processor to fit to their flagship devices as it means they still have a better processor than previously and they can keep their jobs!
I think that flagship products from any one company sound have the same tech. X1 ultimate in a pj? Yes please.

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I think that flagship products from any one company sound have the same tech. X1 ultimate in a pj? Yes please.
What about the same smart tv support as in their tv ranges? No need what so ever for external 4k streamers, if all the streaming apps were built into the projector like they are on a TV. Perfectly tone mapped and tuned to the projector, on top of that!

Ahh, the joys of dreaming!

This is probably/hopefully my last projector anyway! Crossing fingers for 150"ish MicroLED for $25k sooner rather than later..!
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From what I can tell, their current CEO has only turned their fortune around by being a hatchet man. The in fighting doubtless stems from fear of being made irrelevant.
Imagine working in the relatively niche DSLR or projector divisions. Cheaper and more (relatively) effective tech snapping at your heels and stealing your market slowly and surely. My mate recently bought a Huawei mate Pro (or something) with the three lenses in it and declared 'Why would you need an SLR any more?' The pics he took were excellent and he had a point.
So the projector division by that logic might just be more than happy to receive a 3 generations old 4K processor to fit to their flagship devices as it means they still have a better processor than previously and they can keep their jobs!
I think that flagship products from any one company sound have the same tech. X1 ultimate in a pj? Yes please.
Yep.... this video shows that there are no one capable of driving the giant ship that is Sony... they really need someone to steer it properly...

I used to think they may have reasons why they are choosing to do what they do with these projectors.. now i am not so sure...

Sony has so much tech within their company, if they are able to get i it all together, they would be able to make a projector far better than these...

The new CEO Hirai did improved their Bravia TV division until they are now back to profitability and their TV is now back to being competitive in quality...
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What about the same smart tv support as in their tv ranges? No need what so ever for external 4k streamers, if all the streaming apps were built into the projector like they are on a TV. Perfectly tone mapped and tuned to the projector, on top of that!

Ahh, the joys of dreaming!

This is probably/hopefully my last projector anyway! Crossing fingers for 150"ish MicroLED for $25k sooner rather than later..!
Stanger things has happened...

I believe it was a few years ago when Sony had the 1000ES for like $25K, i mentioned that perhaps in the near future we will see 4K projector for $4-$5K or so... guess what? I got blasted by everyone on this forum, all claiming that it was literally, i mean, literally impossible to make it that cheap because the glass / lens capable to resolve 4K is just too expensive and that part will never come down in price... guess what? Today we literally have $1K projectors with glass good enough to resolve 4K...
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Hi all
Any news regarding the Sony calibration software that was mentioned in this forum?
Just curious if anyone has had a chance of purchasing one.


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Received my new projector and it works well


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Finally! Congrats!
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I will have to mention how good Sony Pro In AUSTRALIA has been. The Sony agents where I lived helped me through the process allowing me to keep the other projector whilst waiting for the replacement. The product manager also called me after hours and apologised and stepped in to get it sorted. That is something unheard of these days but it’s good too see Sony still kept their quality of service.

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I will have to mention how good Sony Pro In AUSTRALIA has been. The Sony agents where I lived helped me through the process allowing me to keep the other projector whilst waiting for the replacement. The product manager also called me after hours and apologised and stepped in to get it sorted. That is something unheard of these days but it’s good too see Sony still kept their quality of service.

Well done !!



Nice to hear a positive story about a company stepping up and taking care of its customers. Congrats!
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@OMARDRIS first pointed out that LightSpace calibration s/w now has an export function that will create a Sony Image Director file available for import that can replace the in-built gamma curves. This functionality is reported in the new change log. For regular gamma curves like 2.2 or 2.4 as well as creating a BT2390 curve for slots 7 - 10 this is a real advantage. I created a quick BT2390 curve for slot 7 last night and it hands down beats what I was doing manually. You might want to check it out if you use these apps.
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Is that with the home cinema version, or does it require one of the more professional licences?

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Hey @Franin , how is the new example holding up?

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Is that with the home cinema version, or does it require one of the more professional licences?
I think my version is HTP so yes for that in the family of Home Cinema Display products.
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@OMARDRIS first pointed out that LightSpace calibration s/w now has an export function that will create a Sony Image Director file available for import that can replace the in-built gamma curves. This functionality is reported in the new change log. For regular gamma curves like 2.2 or 2.4 as well as creating a BT2390 curve for slots 7 - 10 this is a real advantage. I created a quick BT2390 curve for slot 7 last night and it hands down beats what I was doing manually. You might want to check it out if you use these apps.


Does lightspace do Autocal for Sony projector ?


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Just for giggles and to give an idea of what these 760's can produce when they work correctly, here are a few of pics from various 4K Blu-Ray movies.

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Does lightspace do Autocal for Sony projector ?
Sony does not have an autocal like JVC or the tone mapping capability like you see in Panasonic or the new JVCs (as I have read about it anyway). Sony Calibration Pro does have a step-through process where, if you hook your pc up to the projector, it will manually step you through gamma and colorspace and upload that to the projector. You can also use their advanced gamma tool in Calibration Pro or Image Director to manually adjust the gamma. You can use LightSpace similarly with the new added export function where it will generate a 1D LUT that you can then import through Image Director to the Sony. That is what we are talking about here. So you need to use LS to characterize or do a limited profile, create the LUT, export that in ID format and then import that to Sony. All in all once you know what you are doing it goes pretty fast (ten to fifteen minutes).
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Right you are! WW and JL were the first movies I watched after doing the LS 1DLUT thing and they looked spectacular. Better than anything I have done by hand by a very wide margin.
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I think my version is HTP so yes for that in the family of Home Cinema Display products.
Excellent - once I’m back on my feet in a week or two, and can actually physically get downstairs to my home theatre, I’ll give it a go.

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Sony does not have an autocal like JVC or the tone mapping capability like you see in Panasonic or the new JVCs (as I have read about it anyway). Sony Calibration Pro does have a step-through process where, if you hook your pc up to the projector, it will manually step you through gamma and colorspace and upload that to the projector. You can also use their advanced gamma tool in Calibration Pro or Image Director to manually adjust the gamma. You can use LightSpace similarly with the new added export function where it will generate a 1D LUT that you can then import through Image Director to the Sony. That is what we are talking about here. So you need to use LS to characterize or do a limited profile, create the LUT, export that in ID format and then import that to Sony. All in all once you know what you are doing it goes pretty fast (ten to fifteen minutes).
Hi, is there any tutorial explaining how the gamma settings are working with image director or calibration pro ?
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Hi, is there any tutorial explaining how the gamma settings are working with image director or calibration pro ?
Not really but it is pretty simple to figure out. Once you connect the s/w shows you a graph with a gamma curve on it and you grab and pull/push or use the arrow keys to move the dots, each dot representing a gamma point. Select whatever curve you want to adjust from the drop-down box. You can always reset to the f/w in-built curve but once you start tweaking it is good to back things up when you get to a point you like what you see but want to tweak a bit more; there is no auto backup and there is a setting to do everything in real time so you can write over what you have done if you aren't careful. I found Image Director harder to use from a GUI perspective but it will give you better results once you start using it as it has more adjustment points; it will also let you adjust Gamma 7 - 10 which Cal Pro will not do.
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Official Sony VW885ES / VW760ES Owner's Thread

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Could someone please point me to right direction regarding the latest Sony pro calibration software that is compatible with the Sony Vpl 885/995 ?

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