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I’d also like to have the link to the 8.100 firmware. Thanks!
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Sooooo, what version does you unit currently have on it?

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hmmmm good question, my EU unit is still with the very first Software version (i got one of the first shipment in germany 2017) - should be version 8.001


....so i must update first the 8.004, then 8.100 - right?



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hmmmm good question, my EU unit is still witth the very first Software version (igot one of the first shipment in germany) 8.001 [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/cool.gif[/IMG]


....so i must update first the 8.004, then 8.100 - right?



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Whilst I wouldn't have thought it would be strictly necessary to update to 4 first, it might be a good idea just to be sure.
It will also give you practice on the procedure.
Only you can decide how you want to go about it.
Might I ask why you haven't updated to 8.xx4 yet?
Whilst I realise it is up to you, each release sorts and refines different aspects and thus is usually a good idea.

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It's good to see so many owners of this projector popping into this thread, if only for the firmware. Seems like a popular model.
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Where it's posted is a website that Sony Australia use to provide firmware and software for not just home end users but a lot of commercial companies.
I've got PM. Thank you very much.
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In case you are using a current Panasonic Player for HDR playback:

I have designed 4 HDR curves that can be loaded into gamma 7-10 using Sony's Image Director 3.1. software. I am using the Panasonic UB9000 that offers various display types, including Projector with moderate luminance (350 nits) and Projector with bright luminace (500 nits). For each of these 2 types I have designed 2 curves. These curves were made with an Arve tool for Sony projectors and are clipping at 350 and 500 nits (bh).

So on the Panasonic players side I give out HDR/2020. It's very important to use the Optimizer since these curves clip either at 350 or 500 nits in order to work best with the display type that you have selected.

On the projector side: HDR off, 2020 and one of those curves loaded into gamma 7-10. Brightness about 50 and Contrast max (depending on calibration). Please check with both Sony info screen and the Pansonic playback info that you indeed are projecting HDR/2020.

Those curves were originally designed for my setup with about 180 Nits (screen 110", 16.9, gain 1.4). Yesterday I could test it on a friend's VW760 (with 180", 16:9 and gain 1) having only about 80 nits max. We compared the tonemapping with that of madVR used by my friend (dynamic version with latest build). To summarize this highly interesting mini shootout: We were both impressed and astonished that those curves worked so well even compared to madVR which we probably all agree is the bench mark. So one of my conclusions was that it looks like that those curves could be used with many very different setups (screens). So you may give it at try.

Here is the download link:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zkwr5zwgd...JWltfB0Ta?dl=0

P.S. unfortunatelly the UB820 does not offer a display type with 350 nits. I am using mainly the 350 nits curves.
P.P.S of course those curves can be used also with other HDR projectors from Sony (e.g VW295, VW695, VW995 and VW5000).
P.P.PS. I also did versions of these curves for JVC and I am going to test that with my old X7000 that I had sold a while ago. Its buyer is also using madVR and we already have fixed next Monday to give it a try. Great fun

Update: Since many people don't have a UB9004 and to simplify matters I removed the 350 nits curves. Now there are just 2 curves which should go fine with the Display Type "Projector with bright luminace (500 nits)". One curve has moderate brightness with a focus on contrast and highlight details and the other one on brightness.
Hello Mori.

I'm a user of VW760es in Korea and using a UB9000.
Yesterday I applied 500nit gamma curve you attached and the result was very satisfied. Thanks a lot.
Would you please send me 350nits curve?
Thank you.
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Hi derman

Thank you for your feedback. I updated my dropbox this morning:
4 files for Display Type 500 nits (Projector with basic luminance) and
2 files for Display Type 350 nits (Projector with bright luminance).
This is what I have finally ended up with.

I am using the 350 Nits profile and in nearly all cases the curve 350.2.4.

The Panasonic HDR Optimizer sets in at 100 Nits. Below the Optimizer hardly has an effect (just lowering brightness by about 0.1 Nits). As you will notice that curve is really bright as it lowers luminance by only 20% compared to the standard EOTF for signals up to 100 Nits. Clipping sets in first at 100 Nits (due to the HDR Optimizer) and additionally also due to the Soft Clipping point that I set at 230 nits for that curve. What I like about that curve is maintains the HDR look (contrast) in most cases. Only the very bright elements are compressed. I think that is about the best that you can get out of a static curve. To go one step further dynamic tone mapping needs to be applied (by madVR or Lumagen video processors). In my case I would get 20% more brightness for source material of 100 Nits max. resulting that dark scenes will benefit. Plus also better differentiation in the highlights (which is still very aceptable already).
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Hi derman

Thank you for your feedback. I updated my dropbox this morning:
4 files for Display Type 500 nits (Projector with basic luminance) and
2 files for Display Type 350 nits (Projector with bright luminance).
This is what I have finally ended up with.

I am using the 350 Nits profile and in nearly all cases the curve 350.2.4.

The Panasonic HDR Optimizer sets in at 100 Nits. Below the Optimizer hardly has an effect (just lowering brightness by about 0.1 Nits). As you will notice that curve is really bright as it lowers luminance by only 20% compared to the standard EOTF for signals up to 100 Nits. Clipping sets in first at 100 Nits (due to the HDR Optimizer) and additionally also due to the Soft Clipping point that I set at 230 nits for that curve. What I like about that curve is maintains the HDR look (contrast) in most cases. Only the very bright elements are compressed. I think that is about the best that you can get out of a static curve. To go one step further dynamic tone mapping needs to be applied (by madVR or Lumagen video processors). In my case I would get 20% more brightness for source material of 100 Nits max. resulting that dark scenes will benefit. Plus also better differentiation in the highlights (which is still very aceptable already).
I applied your new 350 & 500 nits curve and it looks very nice, especially in very bright HDR movie such as ‘the shallows’ and some HDR contents looks better when combined 350.2.4 curve with 500nits optimizer. I input all six curves and will use case by case.

I’m using on 135” Stewart firehawk G4 screen.

Thank you very much.

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I updated new firmware(8.1) yesterday.
I played some HDR movies with UB9000.
HDR seems to be better in auto mode even if not using Panasonic’s HDR optimizer. Sometimes I use HDR optimizer combined with dynamic range adjustment option 4-6 steps plus for boosting general brightness in some movie but after new(8.1) firmware updating, look similar without using dynamic range adjustment in the same movies.

My comparison between HDR auto without Panasonic optimizer(setting A) and 350nit custom gamma curve(made by *mori*) with Panasonic 350nit optimize(setting B)
1. general brightness : almost same
2. contrast : slightly more in setting A
3. white clipping : smoother and visible more in setting B
I think this update is a big step up in HDR handling.
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Watched the 4K HDR of Hereditary this afternoon, a very very dark film. It was fantastic. The new firmware is a huge step forward.
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I would be extremely grateful if someone could send my the link for the 8.1 firmware update. Thanking you in advance.

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I would be extremely grateful if someone could send my the link for the 8.1 firmware update. Thanking you in advance.
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I applied your new 350 & 500 nits curve and it looks very nice, especially in very bright HDR movie such as ‘the shallows’ and some HDR contents looks better when combined 350.2.4 curve with 500nits optimizer. I input all six curves and will use case by case.

I’m using on 135” Stewart firehawk G4 screen.

Thank you very much.
I'm having issues with the Image Director. I am able to network connect to my projector and indeed the bottom of the ImageDirector says "ready VPL-VW88ES". It is however not letting me "Send to Projector(S)" the MORI curve I opened. The selection is greyed out. I'm running Windows 10 Pro and adjusted unblocked the Firewall for the Image Director program.

Any suggestions?

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I'm having issues with the Image Director. I am able to network connect to my projector and indeed the bottom of the ImageDirector says "ready VPL-VW88ES". It is however not letting me "Send to Projector(S)" the MORI curve I opened. The selection is greyed out. I'm running Windows 10 Pro and adjusted unblocked the Firewall for the Image Director program.

Any suggestions?

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You need to have a source device connected and working to use the Image Director software to upload curves.

Save your original curves if you can.

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Would be very grateful for a link to the new firmware.
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Link sent to those who asked.

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You need to have a source device connected and working to use the Image Director software to upload curves.

Save your original curves if you can.
Thanks Archibald1 it worked!

Thanks Vollans for the firmware link. It should be safe to upgrade my US 885es assume.
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The email I had from Sony for the previous firmware release said that the 885 and 760 are the same device and use the same firmware globally.
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The email I had from Sony for the previous firmware release said that the 885 and 760 are the same device and use the same firmware globally.
Update worked... or at least it didn't brick my projector.

I won't have time to look at much content right now but at least it's still throwing a picture.
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Watched the 4K HDR of Hereditary this afternoon, a very very dark film. It was fantastic. The new firmware is a huge step forward.
I totally agree with you.
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Hi vollans,
Could you please send me the link.
Also, I'm at firmware 8.002.

Do I need to update to 8.004 before going to 8.1?
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Link sent, and I'm not sure. There are no release notes to tell you. Personally, I would (and already had).
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Ok, fine.
Thank You for the link.
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Might I ask why you haven't updated to 8.xx4 yet?

....because i was satisfied with my unit so far, thats why there was no need for me to update - till now ;D ...i also hoped the whole time for a real "iris update" - but with the 8.100 it seems like there are finally real improvements !

@*Mori*

....hast Du schon die neue Firmware getestet?



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Same here


Same for me. A link to this new firmware would be great !


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I have still 8.004 running so I haven't updated to 8.10.

For me I could not tell any changes from 8.001 to 8.004. It sounds like that the HDR EOTF curve is now different (better). The later I had criticized from the very beginning. Since I I am using my own EOTF curve designed for use with the Panasonic player I am not that keen to test it. Eventually I will however.
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....because i was satisfied with my unit so far, thats why there was no need for me to update - till now ;D ...i also hoped the whole time for a real "iris update" - but with the 8.100 it seems like there are finally real improvements !

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Fair enough.

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Thanks Archibald1 it worked!

Thanks Vollans for the firmware link. It should be safe to upgrade my US 885es assume.
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I have still 8.004 running so I haven't updated to 8.10.

For me I could not tell any changes from 8.001 to 8.004. It sounds like that the HDR EOTF curve is now different (better). The later I had criticized from the very beginning. Since I I am using my own EOTF curve designed for use with the Panasonic player I am not that keen to test it. Eventually I will however.
I think between 8.001 and 8.004 there was only some green hue and blue fringing that were mitigated and the ATV issue of course.

The step up from 8.004 to 8.100 is huge software wise. To me it is akin to the old Windows service packs or yore.

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Could you please send me the link.
Also, I'm at firmware 8.002.

Do I need to update to 8.004 before going to 8.1?
Thank You
As has been said, I think it would be good practice to update to the latest 'official' version before applying 8.1.

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