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As has been said, I think it would be good practice to update to the latest 'official' version before applying 8.1.
I would definitely not make more updates than necessary. If Sony would recommend it, it would be on their website.
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I would definitely not make more updates than necessary. If Sony would recommend it, it would be on their website.
Whilst that is sound advice to minimise the risk of bricking, the latest 'official' update is 8.004. So that is what you should go from 8.001/2 to and what you would have to do if you wanted the latest official firmware.

The 8.1 software is not officially public facing and has no release notes, so there may actually be a proviso somewhere internally that says do not update from 8.001/2 to this firmware but we are not privy to it.
So I personally would not risk it, but others may want to give it a go and it will highly likely be okay, but I would not have done that myself.
(I went from 8.004 to 8.100 and it went very smoothly and quickly).

We KNOW that 8.004 to 8.100 works as many have done it. I was only stating a best practice due to lack of official directions.

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Whilst that is sound advice to minimise the risk of bricking, the latest 'official' update is 8.004. S

We KNOW that 8.004 to 8.100 works as many have done it. I was only stating a best practice due to lack of official directions.
Exactly. Minimizing the risk of bricking is always the top rule. I did not know that there were no official directions.

But I would then assume that this implies that Sony does not recommend to make prior updates.
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Exactly. Minimizing the risk of bricking is always the top rule. I did not know that there were no official directions.

But I would then assume that this implies that Sony does not recommend to make prior updates.
Agreed. But in this case it is entirely plausible that updating from say 8.001 to 8.100 could be more likely to brick the unit than doing two updates.

Back in days gone by I had an instance where I jumped from an early firmware to the latest one without reading any release notes and ended up bricking the item.

Some of Sony's updates for projectors in the past have said to update to xx version before applying the latest one so I would be inclined to follow that.

We know 8.001/2/3 updates to 8.004 okay.
We know that 8.004 updates to 8.100 okay.

So to me the choice is plain, but of course everyone is free to do as the so wish.
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I’d also like to have the link to the 8.100 firmware. Thanks!
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Uograded from 8.004 to 8.100 and measured before/after (Laser power minimun, D65):

Full black to full white:

Native: ~8700:1 (repeatable measurement result)
Laser dimming limited (@8.004): ~23000:1
Laser dumming limited (@8.100): ~11000:1

Looks like not an improvement at all but the opposite:-( Can anyone confirm? I also cant see an improvement by eye. So what are all of you seeing???
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Uograded from 8.004 to 8.100 and measured before/after (Laser power minimun[..]
Perhaps it’s better to test with laser power “actual viewing” setting? Maybe you just measured that the dimmer is better too now...

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Uograded from 8.004 to 8.100 and measured before/after (Laser power minimun, D65):

Full black to full white:

Native: ~8700:1 (repeatable measurement result)
Laser dimming limited (@8.004): ~23000:1
Laser dumming limited (@8.100): ~11000:1

Looks like not an improvement at all but the opposite:-( Can anyone confirm? I also cant see an improvement by eye. So what are all of you seeing???
Thanks for posting. Are you able to measure with laser dimming Full, but using a black pattern with a single lit pixel?
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Thanks for posting. Are you able to measure with laser dimming Full, but using a black pattern with a single lit pixel?
Not right now. But then I couldn't compare anymore anyway between the two firmwares... Do you think the improvement is mainly with the full laser dimming setting? I find it strange to see such a worsening in the limited mode...
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Uograded from 8.004 to 8.100 and measured before/after (Laser power minimun, D65):

Full black to full white:

Native: ~8700:1 (repeatable measurement result)
Laser dimming limited (@8.004): ~23000:1
Laser dumming limited (@8.100): ~11000:1

Looks like not an improvement at all but the opposite:-( Can anyone confirm? I also cant see an improvement by eye. So what are all of you seeing???
Those are some intriguing measurements. I didn't know contrast was ever that high (23,000:1) on minimum laser power, as 100% is required for maximum contrast.

I only ever use full dimming as I want the full effect.

It would be odd for them to reduce the contrast unless they have actually made the limited setting truly 'limited' now.
I am sure I remember reading that limited used to have a more pronounced effect than full in the older firmware.(?)

All I know is that what I am looking at on my screen is more 'dimensional' than before (is the best way I can described it).

I am most happy with the result and my wife has also pointed at bits of movies that are different/better 'painted' than before.
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Not right now. But then I couldn't compare anymore anyway between the two firmwares... Do you think the improvement is mainly with the full laser dimming setting? I find it strange to see such a worsening in the limited mode...
I gave up trying to measure contrast - too many issues encountered on my part. There have been quite large variations in calculated contrast in reviews as well. However given your results, it could simply be that Sony have done what they should have done all along - that is, limit dimming at Limited setting and go all out in Full setting.

From an anecdotal point of view, I previously didn't notice dynamic dimming cutting in during credits flashing on to the screen, but with 8.100 its quite noticeable now.

Apart from the dimming, comments from onlookers at my place have centred around how the image looks "crisper" and "better''. To my mind they were seeing more effective contrast. It's hard to analyse exactly without A-B comparisons but I have also noticed improved specular highlights on SDR material ( as well as HDR) without any crushing of black levels.
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I don't understand this but I agree with it. Almost like they flipped a bit that had been mistakenly off. I am going to try and measure contrast later today if I have time.

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Apart from the dimming, comments from onlookers at my place have centred around how the image looks "crisper" and "better''. To my mind they were seeing more effective contrast. It's hard to analyse exactly without A-B comparisons but I have also noticed improved specular highlights on SDR material ( as well as HDR) without any crushing of black levels.
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I was told after calibration these units can tend to drift after awhile. Im interested in learning how to use the sony pro software ( unfortunately i dont want too keep calling my calibrator ) what meter do the sony members use ? I know they mention two high end meters but do any use cheaper meters for the sony pro software ?


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I was told after calibration these units can tend to drift after awhile. Im interested in learning how to use the sony pro software ( unfortunately i dont want too keep calling my calibrator ) what meter do the sony members use ? I know they mention two high end meters but do any use cheaper meters for the sony pro software ?


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Won't any meter you get for calibration need profiling to the wavelength of the blue laser light or it will all be 'off'?

I think those are very expensive too.

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Ver. 8.1; don't have compare but here is current.

With Brightness 50; Contrast 96; Laser 80; Gamma 2.4 (through eeColor) Contrast calcs are LS so obviously there is some internal precision vs display rounded numbers.

0.0062 79.9874 12,916 (No dimming) Gamma 2.394

0.0067 81.4899 12,143 (Limited) Gamma 2.45

0.0026 83.3773 31,3773 (Full) Gamma 2.54

The gamma shift occurs mainly from 10% to about 40%.
I didn't do the single pixel as it wasn't handy.

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Uograded from 8.004 to 8.100 and measured before/after (Laser power minimun, D65):

Full black to full white:

Native: ~8700:1 (repeatable measurement result)
Laser dimming limited (@8.004): ~23000:1
Laser dumming limited (@8.100): ~11000:1

Looks like not an improvement at all but the opposite:-( Can anyone confirm? I also cant see an improvement by eye. So what are all of you seeing???
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Won't any meter you get for calibration need profiling to the wavelength of the blue laser light or it will all be 'off'?



I think those are very expensive too.


Im just curious as to what meters the members are using with the Sony pro calibration software. Are they using the ones that sony recoommend ?


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Won't any meter you get for calibration need profiling to the wavelength of the blue laser light or it will all be 'off'?



I think those are very expensive too.

It’s not the wavelength that’s the issue. Blue wavelength is blue wavelength (~450-485nm). It’s the optical bandwidth size (slice) that the meter can read. A cheaper Spectro like an i1Pro only reads a 10nm slice, but for blue laser they say it should be at about 5nm or below.
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It’s not the wavelength that’s the issue. Blue wavelength is blue wavelength (~450-485nm). It’s the optical bandwidth size (slice) that the meter can read. A cheaper Spectro like an i1Pro only reads a 10nm slice, but for blue laser they say it should be at about 5nm or below.
Gotcha. Was just trying to remember what I was told when I had my calibration done as the meter used (Klein?) needed profiling first or something like that.
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Hello 885 / 760 owners,

I have the opportunity to purchase an Ex-Demo Sony VW760ES with just over 400 hours of use for $15K AUD. As it is being sold by an authorised dealer it would come with full warranty which is great. I have a couple of questions that I hope you guys can help me with so that I can decide whether to go ahead with this purchase.

1. Do you feel that this is a good price for an ex-demo?
2. Do you know what the input lag measures in game mode?
3. Input or resolution switching time - has anyone measured how long this projector takes to switch inputs/resolution? for example my current JVC X5900 takes 9 seconds to go from SDR to HDR. I am hoping the Sony is much better than this.
4. Will this projector be a big step up from my current JVC X5900 (RS440 in the US)? better clarity, sharper image etc.
5. Anything else I should look out for before purchasing? I cant go and view the actual projector as they are in a different state but I can ask them to provide specific photos if there is something I should check out.

They sent me a couple of photos including one showing this info screen and to my disappointment it shows some purple fringing just like on my JVC. Is this as good as to be expected with these 3 panel devices?

Also could someone please PM the link to the 8.100 firmware so that I have it in the event that I purchase this machine.

Many Thanks in advance for your input.

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I have the opportunity to purchase an Ex-Demo Sony VW760ES with just over 400 hours of use for $15K AUD. As it is being sold by an authorised dealer it would come with full warranty which is great. I have a couple of questions that I hope you guys can help me with so that I can decide whether to go ahead with this purchase.



1. Do you feel that this is a good price for an ex-demo?

2. Do you know what the input lag measures in game mode?

3. Input or resolution switching time - has anyone measured how long this projector takes to switch inputs/resolution? for example my current JVC X5900 takes 9 seconds to go from SDR to HDR. I am hoping the Sony is much better than this.

4. Will this projector be a big step up from my current JVC X5900 (RS440 in the US)? better clarity, sharper image etc.

5. Anything else I should look out for before purchasing? I cant go and view the actual projector as they are in a different state but I can ask them to provide specific photos if there is something I should check out.



They sent me a couple of photos including one showing this info screen and to my disappointment it shows some purple fringing just like on my JVC. Is this as good as to be expected with these 3 panel devices?



Also could someone please PM the link to the 8.100 firmware so that I have it in the event that I purchase this machine.



Many Thanks in advance for your input.



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I would try haggle a bit. You could get a new one in Australia a couple years ago for only a few grand more than that.

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Thanks Mate, I'll see what I can do.

Any thoughts on my other questions?
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Hello 885 / 760 owners,

I have the opportunity to purchase an Ex-Demo Sony VW760ES with just over 400 hours of use for $15K AUD. As it is being sold by an authorised dealer it would come with full warranty which is great. I have a couple of questions that I hope you guys can help me with so that I can decide whether to go ahead with this purchase.

1. Do you feel that this is a good price for an ex-demo?
2. Do you know what the input lag measures in game mode?
3. Input or resolution switching time - has anyone measured how long this projector takes to switch inputs/resolution? for example my current JVC X5900 takes 9 seconds to go from SDR to HDR. I am hoping the Sony is much better than this.
4. Will this projector be a big step up from my current JVC X5900 (RS440 in the US)? better clarity, sharper image etc.
5. Anything else I should look out for before purchasing? I cant go and view the actual projector as they are in a different state but I can ask them to provide specific photos if there is something I should check out.

They sent me a couple of photos including one showing this info screen and to my disappointment it shows some purple fringing just like on my JVC. Is this as good as to be expected with these 3 panel devices?

Also could someone please PM the link to the 8.100 firmware so that I have it in the event that I purchase this machine.

Many Thanks in advance for your input.

Scott
Hi there.

That fringing may be chromatic aberration or just from the unit not being properly warmed up. If you get close enough to the screen you will always see slight evidence of such things with three chip devices.

There are plenty of ways to improve convergence on these but it all needs to be done after a good hour or more of operation to allow everything to settle. This includes focussing etc.

Many on here can give you certain tips and tricks to help you out with that kind of thing.

Shame you cannot demo the unit as that would always be the best way, but then it can be a crap shoot buying new as well. You never get pictures of the image on brand new machines!

If you are getting the full 3 year warranty then make sure you get evidence of any issues as soon as they arrive.

Can you not negotiate with the dealer to return it if it is unacceptable as you cannot view it before hand?

Also I would try to get the price down a bit if you can, as has been mentioned.


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I have the opportunity to purchase an Ex-Demo Sony VW760ES with just over 400 hours of use for $15K AUD. As it is being sold by an authorised dealer it would come with full warranty which is great. I have a couple of questions that I hope you guys can help me with so that I can decide whether to go ahead with this purchase.

1. Do you feel that this is a good price for an ex-demo?
2. Do you know what the input lag measures in game mode?
3. Input or resolution switching time - has anyone measured how long this projector takes to switch inputs/resolution? for example my current JVC X5900 takes 9 seconds to go from SDR to HDR. I am hoping the Sony is much better than this.
4. Will this projector be a big step up from my current JVC X5900 (RS440 in the US)? better clarity, sharper image etc.
5. Anything else I should look out for before purchasing? I cant go and view the actual projector as they are in a different state but I can ask them to provide specific photos if there is something I should check out.

They sent me a couple of photos including one showing this info screen and to my disappointment it shows some purple fringing just like on my JVC. Is this as good as to be expected with these 3 panel devices?

Also could someone please PM the link to the 8.100 firmware so that I have it in the event that I purchase this machine.

Many Thanks in advance for your input.

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Input lag is around 35ms if I recall correctly. Should be sufficient for all but the most ardent gamer. I am not sure if that is with the 'input lag reduction' setting on or not however.
Also, HDMI switching is pretty rapid on the Sony's and faster than the JVC's.

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Van you share fw link to me also?

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Hello 885 / 760 owners,

Will this projector be a big step up from my current JVC X5900 (RS440 in the US)? better clarity, sharper image etc.


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I upgraded from the JVC X9900 (RS640) and there was a substantial overall improvement in picture quality , including aspects that i was not expecting. 8.100 firmware just makes it better still.
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So after a week, HDR looks indeed better but it’s not night and day. As I said, i’m only using native HDR with games (PC and PS4) and that’s not the content I’m the most using. But it looks brighter. For example Red Dead Redemption 2 on PS4 looked very dark, now it looks brighter and better overall. For movies I’m using madVR tone mapping so I couldn’t tell. As for dimming I don’t see any change honestly. I was always using Full.
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