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I have one of these arriving next week. Upgrading from VW260ES/VW285ES to this, I have very little idea what to expect. Looking through the recent murmurs about firmware improvements, though, it looks like this was a great time to make the jump.
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Sorry, I didn't see this when I responded to the other post and PM. Sony makes it available thru the main site/electronics/support/download.



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There is a post in the thread mentioning that the software can be obtain from Sony Prime Support by providing the S/N of the PJ.

However in my region (Singapore) Sony support refuses to provide this software by citing reason that the SW is only provided to dealer for PJ calibration and NOT for end user.
My dealer has being ignoring me when I ask for this software.

If you manage to get your hand on a copy, I would love to find out how you get it.
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Sorry, I didn't see this when I responded to the other post and PM. Sony makes it available thru the main site/electronics/support/download.
would you mind PM me the exact URL ?
I am unable to find it on www.sony.com/electronics/support/download.
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This makes a lot of sense to me...that they have taken the outer data from entire RC image and allowed it to be manipulated on an independent basis.. If this is the case they may then be coming later with the ability to adjust it independently by area similar to panel alignment.

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This is my take. What you say makes sense. But I believe the DFO is just another RC in my opinion. I have tested it for hours. When I had the 870 and 760 together. On one i turned off RC and turned on DFO and on the other just with the RC I can get the picture to look almost exactly the same.

But we'll see.
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would you mind PM me the exact URL ?
I am unable to find it on www.sony.com/electronics/support/download.
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Sorry, I can't find your your PM in my inbox.
Not sure why.
Would you mind PM again or give me a hint me what's the exact URL?
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I don't know the rules on this forum about posting links but since it is an official Sony support and not marketing link.....https://www.sony.com/electronics/sup...loads/W0007813 is what works for me.

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Sorry, I can't find your your PM in my inbox.
Not sure why.
Would you mind PM again or give me a hint me what's the exact URL?
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I don't know the rules on this forum about posting links but since it is an official Sony support and not marketing link.....https://www.sony.com/electronics/sup...loads/W0007813 is what works for me.
THE URL points to Image Director SW

Sony Calibration Pro is a different SW
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I have one of these arriving next week. Upgrading from VW260ES/VW285ES to this, I have very little idea what to expect. Looking through the recent murmurs about firmware improvements, though, it looks like this was a great time to make the jump.


Keep your sunglasses at hand.
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I have one of these arriving next week. Upgrading from VW260ES/VW285ES to this, I have very little idea what to expect. Looking through the recent murmurs about firmware improvements, though, it looks like this was a great time to make the jump.
You will be very happy with the difference in presentation.

For me, the biggest single improvement, was the total absence of micro flicker in the bulb. Just makes the whole thing easier on the eye and gives image stability like LCD TV's.
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Is it just me who is sort of excited to see what version number they give the new firmware?

I think it will be 8.500.

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You will be very happy with the difference in presentation.

For me, the biggest single improvement, was the total absence of micro flicker in the bulb. Just makes the whole thing easier on the eye and gives image stability like LCD TV's.
I agree with this.... I call it the eerie lake effect... everything is so eerily calm...
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Is it just me who is sort of excited to see what version number they give the new firmware?

I think it will be 8.500.
Personally what Sony is doing for the 760es owners is fantastic. Good on them for looking after their customers. Now bring on DTM for all us Sony owners and we will all be happy.
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Personally what Sony is doing for the 760es owners is fantastic. Good on them for looking after their customers. Now bring on DTM for all us Sony owners and we will all be happy.
Would the existing chip inside be powerful enough to implement DTM?

I heard the new Envy Pro is going to sport a 2080TI GPU to do DTM justice.
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Would the existing chip inside be powerful enough to implement DTM?

I heard the new Envy Pro is going to sport a 2080TI GPU to do DTM justice.
What's DTM? Please excuse my ignorance.
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Would the existing chip inside be powerful enough to implement DTM?



I heard the new Envy Pro is going to sport a 2080TI GPU to do DTM justice.


This is what I was told by Soul of Universe in another thread regarding how JVC is doing it

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they are reusing the processing power from Pincushion setting. The pincushion is used to correct geometry when you project onto curved screens and this is something that owners will be using 0.01 they've made a smart move to disable that feature and consume all the power towards frame by frame DTM feature
I wonder what Sony can do without and implement DTM.
The JVC one won’t be good as Envy Pro but unfortunately the price I would have to pay for the exchange rate atm US - Aus it will be way too much.


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What's DTM? Please excuse my ignorance.


Dynamic Tone Mapping


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What's DTM? Please excuse my ignorance.
Dynamic Tone Mapping.

So, it sees every frame that's coming in, and map it scene by scene on the fly. This would be far superior to the current set a curve from the beginning and applies to the entire movie.

MadVR or the new Envy product their releasing will do exactly this...
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This is what I was told by Soul of Universe in another thread regarding how JVC is doing it



I wonder what Sony can do without and implement DTM.
The JVC one won’t be good as Envy Pro but unfortunately the price I would have to pay for the exchange rate atm US - Aus it will be way too much.


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Actually I am thinking it doesn't have to be perfect. Any implementation of DTM would be far superior to the current Tone Mapping they have. Even a basic one.
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Actually I am thinking it doesn't have to be perfect. Any implementation of DTM would be far superior to the current Tone Mapping they have. Even a basic one.
I agree 100%. They can even get rid of RC for all I care to put DTM in its place. But that won't happen as they are adding DFO for the 760es & the 5000es.

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I agree 100%. They can even get rid of RC for all I care to put DTM in its place. But that won't happen as they are adding DFO for the 760es & the 5000es.
Yeah, if it's a choice between DFO/RC and DTM, i'll take DTM anyday...
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Yeah, if it's a choice between DFO/RC and DTM, i'll take DTM anyday...


I don’t use RC at all its off. DFO in some movies can cause more problems than what it’s worth. Its like in certain areas pixels going crazy. Its not in all movies but you will see it.

Even on some test pattern the whole RC can cause some serious artefacts.


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I don’t use RC at all its off. DFO in some movies can cause more problems than what it’s worth. Its like in certain areas pixels going crazy. Its not in all movies but you will see it.

Even on some test pattern the whole RC can cause some serious artefacts.


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RC is actually great for 1080p programs.. sometimes i wonder if i am not watching 4K content.. haha... and also great for 3D movies because now 3D movies are almost as sharpt as 4K movies. Whenever my friends come watch a 3D movie on my projector, they are astounded how much better it is compared to the cinema which looks blurry...

But for 4K sources, we don't need RC... and we need DTM
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RC is actually great for 1080p programs.. sometimes i wonder if i am not watching 4K content.. haha... and also great for 3D movies because now 3D movies are almost as sharpt as 4K movies. Whenever my friends come watch a 3D movie on my projector, they are astounded how much better it is compared to the cinema which looks blurry...


Well now that’s where the new update HDR / SDR Auto feature will come in handy. For 4k you have it off and for SDR you have it on.


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Do you guys have any tips on good out of box settings with current firmware? There are settings here such as dynamic control and laser power that I'm not familiar with – the rest I know from owning a VW285ES up to this point. I notice a lot of stuff early on in this thread about mucking about with service menus and such, but obviously there have been a few firmware updates since then.v

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Do you guys have any tips on good out of box settings with current firmware? There are settings here such as dynamic control and laser power that I'm not familiar with – the rest I know from owning a VW285ES up to this point. I notice a lot of stuff early on in this thread about mucking about with service menus and such, but obviously there have been a few firmware updates since then.v
I set my laser to max. I live it bright and dynamic.

The rest you can play with brightness (I set mine a little below 50), contrast, gamma, colorspace.

Those are simple things to play with to see what colors looks best to you.
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I set my laser to max. I live it bright and dynamic.

The rest you can play with brightness (I set mine a little below 50), contrast, gamma, colorspace.

Those are simple things to play with to see what colors looks best to you.
Thanks for this. What is the general concensus when it comes to dynamic control in terms of full, limited, off?
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Thanks for this. What is the general concensus when it comes to dynamic control in terms of full, limited, off?


Personal taste? I think you should start with Full and you will rapidly know if the complete shut off bothers you (very obvious during credits/intro/scene change). Personnaly I think it’s worth the « trouble ». With the dynamic iris, it might change things a bit.
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Personal taste? I think you should start with Full and you will rapidly know if the complete shut off bothers you (very obvious during credits/intro/scene change). Personnaly I think it’s worth the « trouble ». With the dynamic iris, it might change things a bit.
Yep, best way is to play with the settings yourself... It took me months to play around, watch a lot of content, play around, etc... to eventually get to a spot where I think I can't make it better anymore for my own taste that is. By playing with it, I also find what does what to the picture and then for certain movies that aren't up to par, i can simply re-toggle a couple things to get it to look the way i want it to look. BTW: I am not a believer of 'the director's intent is the best way to watch a movie' type of guy... .I am the 'what i like is what i like' type of guy... haha
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Just finished reading every post in this thread. Phew!

I wonder if Sony AUS will put up the new firmware that engages the iris early? Might be worth keeping an eye on.

By the way, thanks to everyone in this thread who has contributed so much. Some extremely valuable information to be gleaned here. A real credit to the expertise of some of those who posted. Thank you.

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