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Ken Whitcomb Sony 5000es Stack Sonneborn Theater

Through the preliminary work side by side Sony 5000 stack in my theater. Demolition and electrical move on Monday , installation of enclosure on Tuesday, larger opening velvet covering into theater and clean including trim on Wednesday. Ken started to work on Thursday afternoon getting alignment mechanically (very precise leveling indeed).


I've had one 5000 since May of 2016 so with a little chat with Chris Cooley I'm on my way to another level. Chris has the same thing in progress in his theater.


Saw a foretaste yesterday !!!


We are hoping to watch some HDR etc this evening.




Stay tuned more to come !


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See you sometime next year!

Goodbye to a great audio and video genius and writer... JOHN GANNON. I enjoyed your friendship, wit and a nice long run we took around Indianapolis at CEDIA years back... and for buying my Runco 980 Ultra years back... you saved my ass! Rest in peace.
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Enclosure from bathroom side. Enclosure is suspended from the roof trusses with anti-vibration bushings interposed .
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See you sometime next year!

I hope so ! I think this may factor into your considerations for the projection in your new theater.


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Pretty Cool..
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EGADS!!! Very impressive. I am most jealous! Congrats!!!!

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Through the preliminary work side by side Sony 5000 stack in my theater. Demolition and electrical move on Monday , installation of enclosure on Tuesday, larger opening velvet covering into theater and clean including trim on Wednesday. Ken started to work on Thursday afternoon getting alignment mechanically (very precise leveling indeed).


I've had one 5000 since May of 2016 so with a little chat with Chris Cooley I'm on my way to another level. Chris has the same thing in progress in his theater.


Saw a foretaste yesterday !!!


We are hoping to watch some HDR etc this evening.




Stay tuned more to come !


I love the way the projectors look 'Drooling'....
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Hi Art
Can you please check the power used with both projectors combined at 70,80 and 90 % laser

Thanks
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Curious what is the best stacking layout?

Side by side, side by side at a slight inward angle or stacked vertically?

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This is really cool. Proof again that two is better than one.

Maybe we should have this thread merged into the one that Ken already started so we can have a “master” stacked 5000 thread?

4K HDR10- ignore the “rules” and trust your eyes!
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Curious what is the best stacking layout?

Side by side, side by side at a slight inward angle or stacked vertically?

Ken can answer this better but I think he will say that vertically is probably better since the lenses are significantly closer together than when stacking horizontally. My room could have been modified for the vertical configuration but it would have changed the architecture more than I wanted . Sony , however, has designed them to be used in a quad stack which obviously has two side by side and two sitting on top of them so either works as evidenced by how unbelievable Hacksaw Ridge looked last night.


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Ken can answer this better but I think he will say that vertically is probably better since the lenses are significantly closer together than when stacking horizontally. My room could have been modified for the vertical configuration but it would have changed the architecture more than I wanted . Sony , however, has designed them to be used in a quad stack which obviously has two side by side and two sitting on top of them so either works as evidenced by how unbelievable Hacksaw Ridge looked last night.


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I would say that’s exactly right, from my experience in testing both scenarios with Ken.

Over/under is slightly easier because the lens are quite a bit closer than side by side.

But like Art said, they were designed to quad stack, and side by side works equally well.

Side by side configuration is just a little more time consuming on set up.

Like Art’s room, my room’s design makes a side by side setup the best choice.




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Can you please check the power used with both projectors combined at 70,80 and 90 % laser

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Sorry Mani,
I don't have a way ,at present ,to check that.


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Quad stack? You are sure that would not be a quad blend or mix of vertical stack with side by side blend?
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Hi Art
Can you please check the power used with both projectors combined at 70,80 and 90 % laser

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Sorry Mani,
I don't have a way ,at present ,to check that.


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Hi Art

Something like this will take a quick measurement ( attached pic) . Whenever you get a chance in future .
Also very interested to know how much higher does black level go up with the stack - both measured and perceived
Thanks
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Something like this will take a quick measurement ( attached pic) . Whenever you get a chance in future .
Also very interested to know how much higher does black level go up with the stack - both measured and perceived
Thanks
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Hey Mani,

I have a Kill-a-watt meter. I can measure mine. I measured mine a while back but can’t remember if I took notes.

You would certainly need to have two separate circuits to run them both at full power.


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Quad stack? You are sure that would not be a quad blend or mix of vertical stack with side by side blend?


They support multiple configurations but they certainly support a quad stack. All 4 creating the full image, and all 4 perfectly overlaid.


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Watching some familiar material here tonight. The Martian....I love this movie ! Anyway , just spectacular ! Only time will tell but so far this is quite a move up. The black floor looks interestingly unaffected this is subjectively only at this point ; I'm looking at space etc. next to the Velux screen and masking borders while highlights cause my iris to clamp down.


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Hi Art

Something like this will take a quick measurement ( attached pic) . Whenever you get a chance in future .
Also very interested to know how much higher does black level go up with the stack - both measured and perceived
Thanks
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Hey Mani,

I have a Kill-a-watt meter. I can measure mine. I measured mine a while back but can?t remember if I took notes.

You would certainly need to have two separate circuits to run them both at full power.


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That is what I want to know . If you go by the Sony specs both projectors combined should consume 2.4 KW which should be max capacity for 20 amp circuit which I have in my hush box . So If both projectors run at 60-70% , I am assuming one dedicated 20 amp circuit should be enough ? . To run a new circuit in my hush box will be impossible , as all my dedicated theater circuits come from 240V 100 amp panel from Ground1 with isolation transformer built in . I don?t want to put any theater equipment on the circuits from the rest of the house to keep the grounding completely separate .
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Watching some familiar material here tonight. The Martian....I love this movie ! Anyway , just spectacular ! Only time will tell but so far this is quite a move up. The black floor looks interestingly unaffected this is subjectively only at this point ; I'm looking at space etc. next to the Velux screen and masking borders while highlights cause my iris to clamp down.


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This sounds like stacked CRT performance.
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So here are some numbers to feast your eyes on:

39 fL in SDR at 50% laser drive
71 fL in HDR at 100% laser drive

Reference picture mode is used for SDR, and it’s settings were copied to User 1 for HDR. Direct access to these modes was added to the iRule system (manually for now). I call the Reference mode in a macro when any non-UHD source is selected.

Currently the projectors are doing HDR mapping, but Lumagen’s HDR Intensity Mapping will be added on the next visit. Art will have multiple options for viewing HDR content.


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So here are some numbers to feast your eyes on:

39 fL in SDR at 50% laser drive
71 fL in HDR at 100% laser drive

Reference picture mode is used for SDR, and it?s settings were copied to User 1 for HDR. Direct access to these modes was added to the iRule system (manually for now). I call the Reference mode in a macro when any non-UHD source is selected.

Currently the projectors are doing HDR mapping, but Lumagen?s HDR Intensity Mapping will be added on the next visit. Art will have multiple options for viewing HDR content.


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Hi Ken

How about the black level
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When Ken left we had remote functionality both projectors switching from input to input predictably and alignment as the priorities ;
I don't remember him saying he measured black level.


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