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post #331 of 342 Old 10-06-2018, 03:10 PM
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The Samsung Onyx Cinema, AKA "Wall" was very impressive!
I was able to watch a movie while visiting my wife's family in Korea While there I was able to find some time and watch a movie alone. I dont even know the name of the movie it was 100% in Korean with no subtitles, this turned out to be a benefit, as I was totally not distracted while studying the LED wall.

As a 65 inch OLED owner I am very aware of their picture quality. Suffice to say I am very impressed with Samsung's Wall. Also I want to give props to the JBL sound system they were using, very accurate and balanced and the low end was the best I have heard in a commercial cinema. My own setup is a JBL SDP-75 with 4 Seaton F18s and a mix of JBL LSR 308s (708p very soon) for surround duty. I know people are concerned about not putting the LCR behind the screen, my advice is do not worry about it. All of the voices and effects were locked perfectly onto the screen, I spent 2 hours trying to find weaknesses and audio wise I was unable to. I did find 2 small issues which I will go into below.

Issue 1.
I am very very sensitive to motion artifacts. Single chip DLP is a no go it gives me a horrid headache. The LED DLP that came out a few years ago, I really wanted one but every time I blinked or turned my head during heavy motion I could see the pulsation of light. No idea what it was but I tried a few times and saw it every time. As for the Wall there seemed to be a interlacing effect when the camera transitioned from a still scene to abrupt action. I could sense it in my peripheral vision but could never get a lock on it. Something was a miss. Maybe the film was interlaced or encoded at a lower bitrate, every Korean TV show I saw while in Korea had bad interlacing artifacts? It was very similar to playing a interlaced video game on a LCD panel.

Issue 2.
I did see some faint color banding issues in a couple scenes with a bright blue sky. Again this could be related to the film.
I did not see any low IRE banding that OLEDs have.

All in all I am very impressed with the Samsung/Harmon setup, this is definitely the future of cinema and home cinema!
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Sneaky pictures!

I tried to be discreet, I stand out in Korea and people were watching me. Suffice to say the quality isnt the best but it should give you a rough idea of how it looks.
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The Wall and the CinemaLED are two different technologies/products.
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The Samsung Onyx Cinema, AKA "Wall" was very impressive!
I was able to watch a movie while visiting my wife's family in Korea While there I was able to find some time and watch a movie alone. I dont even know the name of the movie it was 100% in Korean with no subtitles, this turned out to be a benefit, as I was totally not distracted while studying the LED wall.

As a 65 inch OLED owner I am very aware of their picture quality. Suffice to say I am very impressed with Samsung's Wall. Also I want to give props to the JBL sound system they were using, very accurate and balanced and the low end was the best I have heard in a commercial cinema. My own setup is a JBL SDP-75 with 4 Seaton F18s and a mix of JBL LSR 308s (708p very soon) for surround duty. I know people are concerned about not putting the LCR behind the screen, my advice is do not worry about it. All of the voices and effects were locked perfectly onto the screen, I spent 2 hours trying to find weaknesses and audio wise I was unable to. I did find 2 small issues which I will go into below.

Issue 1.
I am very very sensitive to motion artifacts. Single chip DLP is a no go it gives me a horrid headache. The LED DLP that came out a few years ago, I really wanted one but every time I blinked or turned my head during heavy motion I could see the pulsation of light. No idea what it was but I tried a few times and saw it every time. As for the Wall there seemed to be a interlacing effect when the camera transitioned from a still scene to abrupt action. I could sense it in my peripheral vision but could never get a lock on it. Something was a miss. Maybe the film was interlaced or encoded at a lower bitrate, every Korean TV show I saw while in Korea had bad interlacing artifacts? It was very similar to playing a interlaced video game on a LCD panel.

Issue 2.
I did see some faint color banding issues in a couple scenes with a bright blue sky. Again this could be related to the film.
I did not see any low IRE banding that OLEDs have.

All in all I am very impressed with the Samsung/Harmon setup, this is definitely the future of cinema and home cinema!
Onyx is regular LED and with a large size pixel pitch of 2.5mmm.

It's simply rebadged pre-existing LED signage.

It's NOT MicroLED.

Samsung's The Wall IS MicroLED and the pixel pitch is only 0.8mm.

Apples and oranges

Link: SAMSUNG ONYX LED SIGNAGE CINEMA LED

With respect to ranking of video performance:

MicroLED (Samsung The WALL) > OLED > LED Signage (Samsung ONYX)

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Onyx is regular LED and with a large size pixel pitch of 2.5mmm.

It's simply rebadged pre-existing LED signage.

It's NOT MicroLED.

Samsung's The Wall IS MicroLED and the pixel pitch is only 0.8mm.

Apples and oranges

Link: SAMSUNG ONYX LED SIGNAGE CINEMA LED

With respect to ranking of video performance:

MicroLED (Samsung The WALL) > OLED > LED Signage (Samsung ONYX)

So technically the Planar/Leyard is now better already at 0.7mm pixel pitch? Anyone know what a 4k 0.7mm Planar costs?
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There are more quality metrics than pixel pitch. At ISE there was a Polish vendor that claimed it could do an 0.6(2?) pitch Wall, this was almost two years ago.

Not sure but what a 50% premium? I would think that is not unlikely going from 0.9375mm to 0.7mm.

Arrow, some would argue Sony Crystal LED, Samsung the Wall, OLED/Samsung Onyx (keeping viewing distance rato in mind) might trade places both have motion issues to be rectified by processing, premium RGB SMD LED (SiliconCore, Samsung, LG, Leyard, Unilumin(EU outlet bought by Leyard?), LED.

1.5/6 is what the Video market is going for in the fine pitch indoor displays, premium customers in China go for 1.2/1.25. Plenty 2.5 sold, as that is price performance king at the moment. Market is generally not video, so why pay the huge premium.

Arrow, you no longer place the 100" ZD9 higher than the premium LED brands/lines?

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Looks like Samsung has stepped up to the plate at CES, with a 75" 4K direct LED screen - thats what, a 0.43mm pixel pitch approx?

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...l#post57390186
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Looks like Samsung has stepped up to the plate at CES, with a 75" 4K direct LED screen - thats what, a 0.43mm pixel pitch approx?

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-l...l#post57390186
When it has a price tag and you can 'add to cart', I'll believe it.....
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When it has a price tag and you can 'add to cart', I'll believe it.....
When directly asked, the rep said, 'ah, we have no timeline, but maybe 2 years from now'... so, i take it min 2 years from now.. but when they do manage to get production up, it's going to destroy LG completely...
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When directly asked, the rep said, 'ah, we have no timeline, but maybe 2 years from now'... so, i take it min 2 years from now.. but when they do manage to get production up, it's going to destroy LG completely...
I seriously doubt that.
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When directly asked, the rep said, 'ah, we have no timeline, but maybe 2 years from now'... so, i take it min 2 years from now.. but when they do manage to get production up, it's going to destroy LG completely...
Apparently, they're available now, but pricing is "contact us for individual pricing".
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Apparently, they're available now, but pricing is "contact us for individual pricing".
haha... meaning, if you have to ask, you're not buying!
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