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Samsung The Wall MicroLED 4K TV at CES 2018

Samsung is introducing The Wall MicroLED 4K TV, a modular tiled display that undoubtedly beats all projectors in terms of brightness and black level.

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Is it even microled? The referenced CLED (First publicy shown and launch in 2016 at Infocomm, European launch at IBC 2016), the technology first previewed in unitary 65? inch TV at CES 2012, is a microled display, however the Samsung Premier/Lotte Super S, is not Microled.
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Samsung stealing more ideas and first to the plate again I see
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Samsung stealing more ideas and first to the plate again I see
Sony is in a tough place when it comes to screens like this. They have a very lucrative projector business, and releasing something like this for home or cinema use would be in direct competition to their projection business. Samsung doesn't do projectors, so introducing something in a larger form factor than traditional LCDs is a win-win for them.
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Sony is in a tough place when it comes to screens like this. They have a very lucrative projector business, and releasing something like this for home or cinema use would be in direct competition to their projection business. Samsung doesn't do projectors, so introducing something in a larger form factor than traditional LCDs is a win-win for them.
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The Wall (Samsung)

This looks amazing!

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Samsung The Wall MicroLED 4K TV at CES 2018

Here’s a video from the AVSforum YouTube channel.


I found a better quality video here:


The motion resolution is really good. I couldn’t spot any artifacts even on a compressed video stream. I’m guessing this might be the best display ever made! I’ll have one in my living room in 20yrs lol. If they don’t invent a cerebral imbedded imager by then.

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Samsung stealing more ideas and first to the plate again I see


Imo, Good for Samsung! Better to “steal an idea and be first to the plate” Than to play it safe and wait for a patent lawsuit for revenue.
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How long until Art replaces his 5000 stack with this? It certainly would solve brightness concerns for HDR!
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I wonder if Samsung are using Vantablack paint between the LEDs like Sony did on the CLEDIS last year.

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Is this the secret you could not talk about on Leo's show Scott ?

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Yes! Now make it acoustically transparent and affordable and I'm in.
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This looks amazing! Can't wait!
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146" is house sized???
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This is a not any time soon prototype i assume..According a C|NET article experts believe that it will hit the market 2020/2021. David Katzmaier ''maybe CES 2018 is a bit early to show a concept but it take some of the wind out of OLED's sails''.
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I wonder how much heat a 20 foot wide setup will generate - HVAC would be a issue in such setups.
But this can turn the home theater design on its head - no more seat elevation restrictions - could result in very comfortable setting.
The audio can be handled as it is being done in Lotte Cinema Seoul and with JBL Trinnov System.
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I want MicroLED TODAY, but sadly, we're probably 3 years away from real consumer products (if everything goes perfectly)

This is probably the single best video regarding MicroLED technology, but you'll need an hour of free time to absorb it all. Highly recommended:
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Just watched Scott's interview at CES with Scott Cohen, like how laughter ensued when price was mentioned . I realize they'll probably utilize the old saying "Go big or go home" when they do the product release after CES and many of us will groan at prices of giant displays, but the fact that it will even be available to purchase for home is a huge step forward. Since the demo is a combination of panels, or "tiles" as Scott mentioned, I'm curious what size those tiles are and what the smallest grouping of them will be to form a display, or if each tile could act as an individual display. That would have uses for commercial displays where each tile could show different content. Instead of just picture in picture, have as many different source signals as there are tiles.

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I want this ... now ... and cheap.

Seriously, as someone who is always torn between the size and scale from projectors and the brightness, contrast and black levels from TVs, this thing is a like a perfect technology for me. I hope Samsung and other companys can focus on bringing down the prices for this.

For now I'll be focused on laser projectors (Optoma UHZ-65 and similars) for my new home theater room later this year. But I hope that for the next upgrade this new tech will fit my plans (and wallet).
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Sony is in a tough place when it comes to screens like this. They have a very lucrative projector business, and releasing something like this for home or cinema use would be in direct competition to their projection business. Samsung doesn't do projectors, so introducing something in a larger form factor than traditional LCDs is a win-win for them.
If so then it's a mistake IMHO. Sony ought not think of itself as being in "the projector business' but rather in the 'viewing' or simply '(large) display' business, regardless of delivery method. Besides, it'll be some years yet before this tech has matured to the point where the price per inch approaches home PJ territory. And if Sony stays on the sidelines too long then Samsung will ultimately eat Sony's PJ lunch assuming Moore's Law goes to work here.

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I wonder how much heat a 20 foot wide setup will generate - HVAC would be a issue in such setups.
But this can turn the home theater design on its head - no more seat elevation restrictions - could result in very comfortable setting.
The audio can be handled as it is being done in Lotte Cinema Seoul and with JBL Trinnov System.
Had the same thought. Heat, energy use, etc.

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I'm glad to see that they're starting to aim this more at the home market--I just don't see it really gaining any traction in the commercial cinema world.

Really curious what the price range will look like, though. I'm sure initially it'll be sky-high, as they'll want to cater to the ultra-high-end folks, but really the only "new" thing we're talking about here is a monitor that doesn't have bezels (tiled video walls have been around for eons)--does that really cost that much to do? I've often wondered that, if you took apart a flat panel tv, would you find a screen where the the pixels go all the way to the edge of the glass (depending on screen type, of course)?
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I'm glad to see that they're starting to aim this more at the home market--I just don't see it really gaining any traction in the commercial cinema world.

Really curious what the price range will look like, though. I'm sure initially it'll be sky-high, as they'll want to cater to the ultra-high-end folks, but really the only "new" thing we're talking about here is a monitor that doesn't have bezels (tiled video walls have been around for eons)--does that really cost that much to do? I've often wondered that, if you took apart a flat panel tv, would you find a screen where the the pixels go all the way to the edge of the glass (depending on screen type, of course)?
Not really since it isn't an LCD display, each pixel is a very tiny LED bulb. If it is anything like the Sony CLEDIS where 99.7% of each pixel was Vantablack (darkest material known to man) and only 0.3% was the LED bulb. The end result is something that is way better than OLED in every regard. I hope my OLED will last until this technology has come down in price.

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Vaporware or tech demo?

They can't even make 50-inch micro LEDs any time soon.


Heard that 2 years ago, they showed a 170-inch display of some kind.

Samsung just trying to distract people from the fact that their actual shipping TVs will not be very competitive.
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I'm told six figures. And no current plans for Dolby Vision support.

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Vaporware or tech demo?

They can't even make 50-inch micro LEDs any time soon.


Heard that 2 years ago, they showed a 170-inch display of some kind.

Samsung just trying to distract people from the fact that their actual shipping TVs will not be very competitive.
I'm told The Wall goes on sale early in 2019; the Q9S Series will come in other sizes besides 85"; they will announce pricing sometime this week or shortly after CES, and are expected to launch in the second half of 2018.

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Well if it's 6-figures, it's not a real consumer product.

It's some bespoke piece of gear that they are producing in small numbers, not a demonstration of a product which can be manufactured at scale.
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I really expect this scalable-microLED tech to drop down in price more rapidly and dramatically than any display tech before it, much more so than OLED. What we've already seen happen with 4K from Vizio and TCL -- super cheap, decent quality sets with all the mod cons driving down the asking price from the major names -- will be easily duplicated in this realm.

One other comment is that the fact that the home and theatrical versions of this display are effectively identical may be a real threat to cinemas. I know this has been a doom-and-gloom prediction since before TVs existed at all, but never before has the identical tech been available simultaneously.
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Sony is in a tough place when it comes to screens like this. They have a very lucrative projector business, and releasing something like this for home or cinema use would be in direct competition to their projection business. Samsung doesn't do projectors, so introducing something in a larger form factor than traditional LCDs is a win-win for them.
Better to eat your own lunch then let other companies eat it though. Protecting your own business against your own business is just stupid.
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