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post #871 of 1235 Old 03-10-2019, 09:25 PM
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There's only additional brightness if you have a fixed anamorphic installation (DCR always in the light path). Fantastic for movies, regardless wether SDR or HDR. More brightness, more detail, more punch...

I then use a Lumagen for masking, shrinking and cropping (NLS- feature: non linear stretch) as I don't mind losing about 10% on top and on the bottom of the picture (for sports that's mostly audience [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG] ) I have one setup for NLS sports and one for NLS movies and tv shows (so the picture is not cutting actor's heads off). So I am saying that I am scaling the picture to fit a 2.40 (in your case 2.35) screen.

If you are not using a scaler you would most likely see a bit of barrel edges, but of course you could simply take the DCR out of the light path for 16:9 content as an option.

Thanks for the info. That is what I was afraid of. I was all set on a DCR lens when I get my new projector but not sure I could watch TV/Sports with distorted edges. On movies you can just stretch the image a tad to mask the barrel, but on 16X9, I'm afraid it would be too noticeable (might not be too bad, but then again with out see how it will look, it makes me hesitant). Moving the lens out of the way for 16X9 might be prohibitive. From what I've read, it's a bit of a chore to do and when it is moved back, I would have to mess the adjustments all over again.
To take the lens off, you unscrew 2 hand screws. It takes less than 30 seconds. As long as you don't move the rest of the lens attachment points and have lens memory on your projector, it should be a very quick on and off and back to your lens settings. Craig does it regularly.
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The amount of barrel distortion, at least in my room, is very small and I am at the minimum throw. I happen to have a masking system but even without it, I don't find it problematic. But, that doesn't mean you wouldn't.

Just sayin'.
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You can also have a setting if you leave the lens on where the jvc masks a few lines of pixels on the left and right, which should eliminate the distortion
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To take the lens off, you unscrew 2 hand screws. It takes less than 30 seconds. As long as you don't move the rest of the lens attachment points and have lens memory on your projector, it should be a very quick on and off and back to your lens settings. Craig does it regularly.
it's easy and no more of a hassle than using lens memory was without the lens. I hit one button on the remote.
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The amount of barrel distortion, at least in my room, is very small and I am at the minimum throw. I happen to have a masking system but even without it, I don't find it problematic. But, that doesn't mean you wouldn't.

Just sayin'.

Is that when viewing video in 16X9? If the distortion is not very noticeable, I'm sure I could live with it. Just not sure how much distortion there would be. If Craig does remove the lens every time he watches 16X9 material, I wonder how much time is spent watching that material. If you have to do it once or twice a week, might not be that much of a hassle. Wonder if any could take or has pics of how the distortion is in 16X9. My throw would be roughly at 1.5-1.6.
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Is that when viewing video in 16X9? If the distortion is not very noticeable, I'm sure I could live with it. Just not sure how much distortion there would be. If Craig does remove the lens every time he watches 16X9 material, I wonder how much time is spent watching that material. If you have to do it once or twice a week, might not be that much of a hassle. Wonder if any could take or has pics of how the distortion is in 16X9. My throw would be roughly at 1.5-1.6.
No direct experience with the DCR specifically but I had the same concerns as you do so I scooped an old uh-380 to see if it really bothered me for my 16:9 gaming and sports watching. It absolutely doesn't, and from short throw no less. at 1.6x throw ratio, my guess is outside of patterns, you would never notice it. Perhaps on commercial splash screens, but who cares at that point anyways?

For big sporting events or special occasions I would likely remove the lens. Or for our upcoming month of non-stop basketball, I'd leave it off since 90% of the viewing will be 16:9, but otherwise, leaving it in place for day to day viewing, it's simply a non-event.

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No direct experience with the DCR specifically but I had the same concerns as you do so I scooped an old uh-380 to see if it really bothered me for my 16:9 gaming and sports watching. It absolutely doesn't, and from short throw no less. at 1.6x throw ratio, my guess is outside of patterns, you would never notice it. Perhaps on commercial splash screens, but who cares at that point anyways?

For big sporting events or special occasions I would likely remove the lens. Or for our upcoming month of non-stop basketball, I'd leave it off since 90% of the viewing will be 16:9, but otherwise, leaving it in place for day to day viewing, it's simply a non-event.

I think you are probably correct. I may be making too much of this. Just don't want to throw some serious money into something that I will be worrying about every time I watch sports or TV. Again thanks for the help!
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Got the projector moved back for the correct throw. It was so worth it. This lens is awesome. Coming from a Schneider Cine-digitar.


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Got the projector moved back for the correct throw. It was so worth it. This lens is awesome. [/IMG]


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Awesome Install.. never seen anyone box in the projector lens (including the DCR even more creative).
Will give you the sound proofing we all with hush boxes desire but is elusive.

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Got the projector moved back for the correct throw. It was so worth it.
Can you describe the difference? My setup will also be too close to the screen unfortunately...
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Can you describe the difference? My setup will also be too close to the screen unfortunately...


I originally had an Epson 6010 with a Schneider lens projecting on a 142” 2.35 screen from 13’6” away. When I upgraded to my JVC RS-1000 I could no longer fill the screen from the 13’6” distance. Whether I zoomed or used my old lens.


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Awesome Install.. never seen anyone box in the projector lens (including the DCR even more in genuine).

Will give you the sound proofing we all with hush boxes desire but is elusive.


Works perfect. I don’t hear any fan noise though the JVC is a lot quieter than my old Epson. Also all the heat is exhausted outside the room.


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What is your current throw?

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Works perfect. I don’t hear any fan noise though the JVC is a lot quieter than my old Epson. Also all the heat is exhausted outside the room.


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In another thread Floyd Toole is using PVC pipe to do the same thing But this cannot be used with a DCR..
Hope the enclosure around the lens is air tight .... or sound will escape from the room - if you have documented how you did this with pictures it will be great thread for many who would like to achieve this.
And another benefit is Heat dissipation is outside the room - Kudos on the install...
Nothing beats simulating a projection booth from the back of the room - I prefer this over projectors hanging inside the room.
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What is your current throw?
Roughly 18'.
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Got the projector moved back for the correct throw. It was so worth it. This lens is awesome. Coming from a Schneider Cine-digitar.


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Excellent job ! That looks great !
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Is anyone using a Harmony Elite with the DCR and a JVC RS1000? How do you setup lens memory on the activities screen?


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Ironically I have been programming and tweaking my new Harmony Elite over the last couple nights. I currently have the pause button under the projector device controls toggle the anamorphic modes on my NX5. Once I get a lens I will move that function under an activity.

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Ironically I have been programming and tweaking my new Harmony Elite over the last couple nights. I currently have the pause button under the projector device controls toggle the anamorphic modes on my NX5. Once I get a lens I will move that function under an activity.
I have the lensmemory button set on my activity screen, but when I select it the menu comes up but not sure what I need to do because you need arrow buttons and select from the projector then a back button to exit the menu.
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I have the lensmemory button set on my activity screen, but when I select it the menu comes up but not sure what I need to do because you need arrow buttons and select from the projector then a back button to exit the menu.
You need to add the individual 'Mode' buttons to your activity (e.g. 'Mode 1', 'Mode 2' etc), not the Lens Memory Menu button. Once added, then you can rename each mode button for the aspect ratio is it set-up for (e.g. 16:9, 2.35:1 etc).
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You need to add the individual 'Mode' buttons to your activity (e.g. 'Mode 1', 'Mode 2' etc), not the Lens Memory Menu button. Once added, then you can rename each mode button for the aspect ratio is it set-up for (e.g. 16:9, 2.35:1 etc).
I'll check again but I didn't see individual mode buttons available under the RS1000. There aren't any on the factory remote. Is there another projector model I should set it up as? Or am I looking in the wrong place under the harmony software?
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I'll check again but I didn't see individual mode buttons available under the RS1000. There aren't any on the factory remote. Is there another projector model I should set it up as? Or am I looking in the wrong place under the harmony software?
Try the NX9, that has them. Remote codes are common across all JVC PJ’s.
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So I have access to a Sony 885es brand new for under 15.5k out the door.

Have a fully dedicated 100% light controlled room. Throwing from roughly 16' onto a 2.4 150" screen. Plan is to buy a Paladin DCR for the sony for the increased output to fill the massive screen.

Good plan or should I not upgrade yet, stick with the epson5040 and just blow up the image, and possibly upgrade to the sony 5000 next year?

i dont NEED to upgrade this year, but would prefer to since the entire theater is going to be brand new this year and would like it to be as primo as possible within my budget.
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So I have access to a Sony 885es brand new for under 15.5k out the door.

Have a fully dedicated 100% light controlled room. Throwing from roughly 16' onto a 2.4 150" screen. Plan is to buy a Paladin DCR for the sony for the increased output to fill the massive screen.

Good plan or should I not upgrade yet, stick with the epson5040 and just blow up the image, and possibly upgrade to the sony 5000 next year?

i dont NEED to upgrade this year, but would prefer to since the entire theater is going to be brand new this year and would like it to be as primo as possible within my budget.
Is that 150" width or diagonal? If width, you don't have enough throw for the DCR (requires 1.4x width minimum).
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Is that 150" width or diagonal? If width, you don't have enough throw for the DCR (requires 1.4x width minimum).
Good point. And if it's diagonal, you need 492cm from front of screen to projector lens. Which is just over 16ft - so you should be OK with that, but you're right on the minimum threshold.
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Is that 150" width or diagonal? If width, you don't have enough throw for the DCR (requires 1.4x width minimum).
150" diagonal.

I can get the projector about 1' off the wall and the room is 21' long so I can move back the projector as it isnt mounted yet.

138.1" width horizontally
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150" diagonal.

I can get the projector about 1' off the wall and the room is 21' long so I can move back the projector as it isnt mounted yet.

138.1" width horizontally
You have plenty of room then.
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What kind of improvement in brightness can I expect for a RS2000 with the DCR? 130" wide 2.35 Seymour XD 17' throw.


I've seen 38%. What is the real world improvement from best case scenario without the lens?


Since screen is 2.35, does it make sence to zoom to fill the hight with 2.40 image and mask the 1" on each side, then i can leave the lens in place for 16x9?
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What kind of improvement in brightness can I expect for a RS2000 with the DCR? 130" wide 2.35 Seymour XD 17' throw.


I've seen 38%. What is the real world improvement from best case scenario without the lens?


Since screen is 2.35, does it make sence to zoom to fill the hight with 2.40 image and mask the 1" on each side, then i can leave the lens in place for 16x9?
I measured with my light meter - going from zooming scope at 3840 x 2106, to using the lens and 4096 x 2160 - a solid 38% increase. Blu-rays went from 18.5 foot lamberts to over 25.5 foot lamberts, and HDR from a little over 34 foot lamberts to 47 foot lamberts.
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What kind of improvement in brightness can I expect for a RS2000 with the DCR? 130" wide 2.35 Seymour XD 17' throw.


I've seen 38%. What is the real world improvement from best case scenario without the lens?


Since screen is 2.35, does it make sence to zoom to fill the hight with 2.40 image and mask the 1" on each side, then i can leave the lens in place for 16x9?
Craig confirmed the real-world improvement of around 38%.

I've previously checked with Shawn Kelly of Panamorph, who indicated that you can tweak the adjustment when installing the DCR lens to fill a 2.35:1 screen, so you're good there.

For 16:9 content, with the lens in place, the RS1000/2000/3000 do not have the proper Anamorphic mode to properly display this content uncropped, with the original aspect ratio. Your choice is a small 6% 'squeeze', a 25% or so 'stretch', or cropping the top and bottom 10% of the 16:9 content to completely fill the 2.35:1 screen. This should be fixable, but thus far JVC has not indicated any plan to do this via firmware update.

The other alternatives are to physically remove the lens for 16:9 content, either manually (or using a CineSlide or similar device to do it automatically), or to get a Lumagen Radiance Pro to handle the anamorphic scaling (as well as get some other benefits).

And 3D content is also not handled properly with current JVC anamorphic modes, unfortunately, with the same work-arounds as with 16:9 content above.

Going with the standard Paladin lens would avoid these limitations, but limit you to about a 30% increase in brightness, and require a longer throw distance (1.6 x screen width vs 1.4 x with the DCR).
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