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Craig confirmed the real-world improvement of around 38%.



I've previously checked with Shawn Kelly of Panamorph, who indicated that you can tweak the adjustment when installing the DCR lens to fill a 2.35:1 screen, so you're good there.



For 16:9 content, with the lens in place, the RS1000/2000/3000 do not have the proper Anamorphic mode to properly display this content uncropped, with the original aspect ratio. Your choice is a small 6% 'squeeze', a 25% or so 'stretch', or cropping the top and bottom 10% of the 16:9 content to completely fill the 2.35:1 screen. This should be fixable, but thus far JVC has not indicated any plan to do this via firmware update.



The other alternatives are to physically remove the lens for 16:9 content, either manually (or using a CineSlide or similar device to do it automatically), or to get a Lumagen Radiance Pro to handle the anamorphic scaling (as well as get some other benefits).



And 3D content is also not handled properly with current JVC anamorphic modes, unfortunately, with the same work-arounds as with 16:9 content above.



Going with the standard Paladin lens would avoid these limitations, but limit you to about a 30% increase in brightness, and require a longer throw distance (1.6 x screen width vs 1.4 x with the DCR).


Is there a Cineslide model or part number that is recommended/suggested for the new JVCs along with the Panamorph DCR?
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Is there a Cineslide model or part number that is recommended/suggested for the new JVCs along with the Panamorph DCR?
No specific model as such, but you can get in touch with them directly, and they can let you know the cost and logistics. It is a custom job, and my understanding is that they would have to make some modifications to the Lens/Mount to work with the CineSlide. So it would need to be either bought from them, or sent to them. At least that's how it worked when I last communicated with them a month or two ago.

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No specific model as such, but you can get in touch with them directly, and they can let you know the cost and logistics. It is a custom job, and my understanding is that they would have to make some modifications to the Lens/Mount to work with the CineSlide. So it would need to be either bought from them, or sent to them. At least that's how it worked when I last communicated with them a month or two ago.


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Try the NX9, that has them. Remote codes are common across all JVC PJ’s.


Good idea. The NX9 didn’t have them but the RS640U works perfect. And has quick buttons for HDR, Cinema and Natural Modes.


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How do you change the resolution to 4096 on the JVC RS1000?


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I'm stumbling through setup on my RS2000 right now too, but I believe setting it to Anamorphic C makes it use the full 4096 panel width. At least that's what I got out of the user manual
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I'm stumbling through setup on my RS2000 right now too, but I believe setting it to Anamorphic C makes it use the full 4096 panel width. At least that's what I got out of the user manual


That’s what I thought but I’ve seen some videos where it shows 4096 in the info section and mine doesn’t when on Anamorphic C.


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That’s what I thought but I’ve seen some videos where it shows 4096 in the info section and mine doesn’t when on Anamorphic C.


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I think the info section is just reporting the input signal. Users with an HTPC can actually feed a 4096x2160 signal into the projector, but if you're using a non-htpc device you most likely can only send the 3840x2160 image. The Anamorphic C stretches the image to use those additional pixels, which the DCR then squishes back into a normal looking image. At least that's what I think is going on
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INSTALLATION QUESTION.

What is involved in installing this to a Sony 5000? Sony will be sitting on a shelf.

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INSTALLATION QUESTION.

What is involved in installing this to a Sony 5000? Sony will be sitting on a shelf. You tube video?

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INSTALLATION QUESTION.

What is involved in installing this to a Sony 5000? Sony will be sitting on a shelf.

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I would think you could attach the included mounting plate to the bottom of the projector - or rig up a mount to the shelf using the included U bracket.
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I would think you could attach the included mounting plate to the bottom of the projector - or rig up a mount to the shelf using the included U bracket.


Got it. So it comes with a plate that will adapt to Sony 5000?

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Got it. So it comes with a plate that will adapt to Sony 5000?
It says " sandwich mount " for the VW5000 - https://www.panamorph.com/vpl-vw885-vw695-vw995/

You might give Shawn an email or call to clarify how to best attach to the VW5000.

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It says " sandwich mount " for the VW5000 - https://www.panamorph.com/vpl-vw885-vw695-vw995/

You might give Shawn an email or call to clarify how to best attach to the VW5000.
Will do. Is that ‘sandwixh’ mount included in the box when purchasing the lens? Thanks!!

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Will do. Is that ‘sandwixh’ mount included in the box when purchasing the lens? Thanks!!
Yes. If you are shelf mounting and the lens mount requires it to be " sandwiched " between the Chief mount and the projector, you might be able to attach the mounting plate to the shelf instead, one way or another.

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Yes. If you are shelf mounting and the lens mount requires it to be " sandwiched " between the Chief mount and the projector, you might be able to attach the mounting plate to the shelf instead, one way or another.
Nah, that wouldn't really work. On the handful of 5000's I've installed that were shelf mounted, the lens mounting plate got tossed. I suppose if you were able to mount that plate so it extended past the front of the shelf it would work, but all of these were in projection rooms, and the shelf ended at the port glass/wall.

That mount has holes that match on smaller projectors, but unless you are clamping it between the projector and the mounting plate, not much use with the Sony 5000.

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Nah, that wouldn't really work. On the handful of 5000's I've installed that were shelf mounted, the lens mounting plate got tossed. I suppose if you were able to mount that plate so it extended past the front of the shelf it would work, but all of these were in projection rooms, and the shelf ended at the port glass/wall.

That mount has holes that match on smaller projectors, but unless you are clamping it between the projector and the mounting plate, not much use with the Sony 5000.
True - if there is a hush box / projection closet, another solution needs to be created. That's what I did - I couldn't use the plate either. Just the U bracket, which worked quite well by the way.
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Does have Paladin DCR perfectly focus in both directions? I read that prism based anamorphic lenses have problem with astigmatism. Or is there any correction element?
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Does have Paladin DCR perfectly focus in both directions? I read that prism based anamorphic lenses have problem with astigmatism. Or is there any correction element?
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Hi Guys,

I'm new to JVC and anamorphic lenses and after reading this thread I have a couple of questions.

I currently have a RS2000 and DCR lens on order along with a Stewart StudioTek 130 G3 2.40:1 screen 139.25" wide. The projector will be mounted about 210" from the screen for about a 1.5 throw.

My first question is about viewing 16:9 content. I understand the Anamorphic B will have about a 6% 'squeeze' and Anamorphic C will have about 10% over scan on the top and bottom of the screen. Would it be possible with Anamorphic C to zoom down the image to show the full 16:9 content on the screen without the 6% width compression?

The second question is about 3D through the DCR lens. Since JVC has stated the Anamorphic C is not compatible with 3D what is the best way to watch 2.40:1 and 1.85:1 3D content with the lens in place?

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Hi Guys,

I'm new to JVC and anamorphic lenses and after reading this thread I have a couple of questions.

I currently have a RS2000 and DCR lens on order along with a Stewart StudioTek 130 G3 2.40:1 screen 139.25" wide. The projector will be mounted about 210" from the screen for about a 1.5 throw.

My first question is about viewing 16:9 content. I understand the Anamorphic B will have about a 6% 'squeeze' and Anamorphic C will have about 10% over scan on the top and bottom of the screen. Would it be possible with Anamorphic C to zoom down the image to show the full 16:9 content on the screen without the 6% width compression?

The second question is about 3D through the DCR lens. Since JVC has stated the Anamorphic C is not compatible with 3D what is the best way to watch 2.40:1 and 1.85:1 3D content with the lens in place?

Thanks.
No, that isn't possible if I'm understanding your question correctly. I will be removing the lens when watching 16x9 content as it is noticeably narrower. Of course, you can also use anamorphic c and just crop off the top of the image and watch it in 2.40 mode. In a lot of scenes you probably won't even notice that its not 2.40 material
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I'm new to JVC and anamorphic lenses and after reading this thread I have a couple of questions.



I currently have a RS2000 and DCR lens on order along with a Stewart StudioTek 130 G3 2.40:1 screen 139.25" wide. The projector will be mounted about 210" from the screen for about a 1.5 throw.



My first question is about viewing 16:9 content. I understand the Anamorphic B will have about a 6% 'squeeze' and Anamorphic C will have about 10% over scan on the top and bottom of the screen. Would it be possible with Anamorphic C to zoom down the image to show the full 16:9 content on the screen without the 6% width compression?



The second question is about 3D through the DCR lens. Since JVC has stated the Anamorphic C is not compatible with 3D what is the best way to watch 2.40:1 and 1.85:1 3D content with the lens in place?



Thanks.


Is this correct? Anamorphic C will over scan?

I thought with the lens in place Anamorphic C was the correct mode to watch scope content in, being that it would be presented “untouched”.
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No, that isn't possible if I'm understanding your question correctly. I will be removing the lens when watching 16x9 content as it is noticeably narrower. Of course, you can also use anamorphic c and just crop off the top of the image and watch it in 2.40 mode. In a lot of scenes you probably won't even notice that its not 2.40 material
Having no experience with an anamorphic lens I certainly don't know how all this works together and what you can or cannot do. My first thought would be to zoom down "shrink" the 16x9 image in Anamorphic C mode to fit the 10% over scan onto the screen creating black bars on the sides. Basically just the reverse of the zoom meathead used to fill a 2.40 screen width without an anamorphic lens. There are a lot of people here that really know what they are doing so I guess that is not possible or it would have been suggested already. When projecting through an anamorphic lens does the zoom not function like it does without the lens? Is there some sort of distortion or change in light path that causes issues? Thanks.


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Is this correct? Anamorphic C will over scan?

I thought with the lens in place Anamorphic C was the correct mode to watch scope content in, being that it would be presented “untouched”.
I was just talking about 16x9 content in Anamorphic C mode. I believe that Anamorphic C perfectly matches scope content to the screen.
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No, that isn't possible if I'm understanding your question correctly. I will be removing the lens when watching 16x9 content as it is noticeably narrower. Of course, you can also use anamorphic c and just crop off the top of the image and watch it in 2.40 mode. In a lot of scenes you probably won't even notice that its not 2.40 material
Thanks for the reply. Having no experience with anamorphic lenses so I don't know what you can and cant do. My first thought of how to handle 16x9 material through the DCR lens would be to leave it in Anamorphic C and zoom down "shrink" the image so that the 10% crop on top and bottom fit onto the screen. Basically just the reverse of the zoom method used to fill a 2.4:1 screen without an anamorphic lens. Does the zoom function not work the same when projecting through an anamorphic lens or is there some other issue I'm not aware of?
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Is this correct? Anamorphic C will over scan?

I thought with the lens in place Anamorphic C was the correct mode to watch scope content in, being that it would be presented “untouched”.
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Thanks for the reply. Having no experience with anamorphic lenses so I don't know what you can and cant do. My first thought of how to handle 16x9 material through the DCR lens would be to leave it in Anamorphic C and zoom down "shrink" the image so that the 10% crop on top and bottom fit onto the screen. Basically just the reverse of the zoom method used to fill a 2.4:1 screen without an anamorphic lens. Does the zoom function not work the same when projecting through an anamorphic lens or is there some other issue I'm not aware of?
Using Anamorphic C with 16:9 content will remove the top and bottom 10% of the picture, which is what it does with 2.40:1 content. In the latter case, it's removing the black bars, in the former case, it's removing actual content.

Zooming is not relevant, because the Anamorphic mode is 'stretching' the central content part of the 2.40:1 content (that is the area inside the black bars), to virtually the full height of the chip. The lens, the 'vertical compression' type, then 'squeezes' it back down to its original aspect ratio. You are therefore using the full array of pixels on your chip (increasing both pixel density and light output), whereas before you were throwing away the pixels occupied by the black letterbox bars.

The Projector doesn't "know" if this is 16:9 or 2.40:1 content. It 'throws away' the area of that letterbox area, and it can't be reclaimed.

So with 16:9 content, you either use Anamorphic B, with the result being a 6% horizontal Squeeze, or Anamorphic C, which will maintain proper anamorphic ratio, at the cost of throwing away the top and bottom 10% of content.

Without an external video processor like the Lumagen Radiance Pro, there is no way of avoiding some type of compromise here. And even the Lumagen doesn't solve the problem with 3D content, such that a 6% squeeze is unavoidable no matter what you do, when used with the DCR lens.

To avoid these compromises, you have to remove the DCR from the lens path.

I will buy the RS2000 or its successor, if and only if, JVC provides the proper Anamorphic modes for all content. Removing the lens from the path is not an acceptable option for me, while it may be for others.

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Without an external video processor like the Lumagen Radiance Pro, there is no way of avoiding some type of compromise here. And even the Lumagen doesn't solve the problem with 3D content, such that a 6% squeeze is unavoidable no matter what you do, when used with the DCR lens.
Why is that? I must admit I've never tested in, but I would have thought the Lumagen could scale as necessary, even for 3D content?
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Using Anamorphic C with 16:9 content will remove the top and bottom 10% of the picture, which is what it does with 2.40:1 content. In the latter case, it's removing the black bars, in the former case, it's removing actual content.



Zooming is not relevant, because the Anamorphic mode is 'stretching' the central content part of the 2.40:1 content (that is the area inside the black bars), to virtually the full height of the chip. The lens, the 'vertical compression' type, then 'squeezes' it back down to its original aspect ratio. You are therefore using the full array of pixels on your chip (increasing both pixel density and light output), whereas before you were throwing away the pixels occupied by the black letterbox bars.



The Projector doesn't "know" if this is 16:9 or 2.40:1 content. It 'throws away' the area of that letterbox area, and it can't be reclaimed.



So with 16:9 content, you either use Anamorphic B, with the result being a 6% horizontal Squeeze, or Anamorphic C, which will maintain proper anamorphic ratio, at the cost of throwing away the top and bottom 10% of content.



Without an external video processor like the Lumagen Radiance Pro, there is no way of avoiding some type of compromise here. And even the Lumagen doesn't solve the problem with 3D content, such that a 6% squeeze is unavoidable no matter what you do, when used with the DCR lens.



To avoid these compromises, you have to remove the DCR from the lens path.



I will buy the RS2000 or its successor, if and only if, JVC provides the proper Anamorphic modes for all content. Removing the lens from the path is not an acceptable option for me, while it may be for others.


Ok whew! Yes, I remove the lens for 16:9. I use Anamorphic C for scope. Glad I’m doing that right.
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Why is that? I must admit I've never tested in, but I would have thought the Lumagen could scale as necessary, even for 3D content?
I don't understand the complexities of this, but have communicated with those who do. Kris Deering indicated "The Lumagen will do whatever you want, but the JVC won’t accept a 4096 3D input and it won’t scale 3D to 4096. The JVC will only accept 3D as 1080p."

Bottom line, though, is that 3D is problematic for the new JVC Projectors when used with the DCR lens. You can pursue this further on the Lumagen thread, for a more complete explanation, and to confirm that this is the case. But this is my understanding, which was also confirmed by Shawn Kelly of Panamorph.

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