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So Sony (5000ES) internal software stretches ideally without use of a video processor? Any aberrations and are the crisp edges after set up?

Anyone using with a Panny 820 or 9000 - or any differences between the players?

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So Sony (5000ES) internal software stretches ideally without use of a video processor? Any aberrations and are the crisp edges after set up?

Anyone using with a Panny 820 or 9000 - or any differences between the players?
The further back you can mount from minimum throw, the " crisper " the edges.
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Panamorph DCR Paladin Owners Thread

Beginner question: I’ve been reading about the Paladin DCR lens and it said that edge distortion decreases with higher throw ratios and is very difficult to see above 1.8:1. My room is 18’6” long. My projection screen is a 130” scope screen and is 120” wide. A throw ratio of 1.8:1 would be 18’ for me. Minimum throw distance is 14’ I believe. Will I see edge distortion if my projector is at 16’ throw distance? Sorry if this seems like a silly question. I’m new to all this and trying to learn as much as I can.


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Yes, but you can try some zone adjustment, masking on the projector or overscan onto the felt boarder/frame to hide it if desired.

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Beginner question: I’ve been reading about the Paladin DCR lens and it said that edge distortion decreases with higher throw ratios and is very difficult to see above 1.8:1. My room is 18’6” long. My projection screen is a 130” scope screen and is 120” wide. A throw ratio of 1.8:1 would be 18’ for me. Minimum throw distance is 14’ I believe. Will I see edge distortion if my projector is at 16’ throw distance? Sorry if this seems like a silly question. I’m new to all this and trying to learn as much as I can.


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There was a time when any edge distortion from an A lens would bother me. But the picture looks so good on my RS4500 with the DCR lens, it just doesn't bother me at all. It's on the sides - the top and bottom are more or less perfect. This is at minimum throw even. I just don't notice it. Plus, it's in the black screen masking anyway - zoom it off a little bit.
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Is anyone using a Nvidia Shield and a new JVC projector with the DCR? If so how are you playing your content? I have my whole collection ripped to an Unraid server and have been playing back via Plex. Lately I’m getting a message about my connection being too slow and I have to change anamorphic settings to see the menus and change back on widescreen movies. Also I have to change the video settings between natural or hdr depending on content. I downloaded Kodak yesterday on the Shield and it seems to be working better than Plex right now. Automatically changes color space and refresh rates. Is there anyway to set it for 2.35 aspect so the menus and everything show up so I can leave the projector set on Anamorphic C?


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Is anyone using a Nvidia Shield and a new JVC projector with the DCR? If so how are you playing your content? I have my whole collection ripped to an Unraid server and have been playing back via Plex. Lately I’m getting a message about my connection being too slow and I have to change anamorphic settings to see the menus and change back on widescreen movies. Also I have to change the video settings between natural or hdr depending on content. I downloaded Kodak yesterday on the Shield and it seems to be working better than Plex right now. Automatically changes color space and refresh rates. Is there anyway to set it for 2.35 aspect so the menus and everything show up so I can leave the projector set on Anamorphic C?


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You might post this question in the new JVC projector thread ( if you haven't already ).
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You might post this question in the new JVC projector thread ( if you haven't already ).


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Minimun throw distance

I see that the minimum throw for the DCR lense is 1.4x width. Would there be a big issue if I were short of that minumum by 6 inches? I can go a bit smaller and reach the minimum if absolutely necessary.
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I see that the minimum throw for the DCR lense is 1.4x width. Would there be a big issue if I were short of that minumum by 6 inches? I can go a bit smaller and reach the minimum if absolutely necessary.

If you are shorter than the minimum why would you want to go shorter?

It is confusing how you are asking this, 1.4 is the minimum throw distance (120" wide screen = 168" min throw for example from the projector lens itself, don't add for the thickness of the dcr lens), you can go farther away all you want, you just don't want to go shorter distances away from the minimum, you may loose the ability to overscan your screen border and may not be able to correct distortion added by the lens. The farther away the less perceived distortion you will get with the lens, Note: This is why i had to go to the DCR over just the Paladin for my RS4500 i already had the mount location for an NX9/RS3000 in mind trying to avoid buying a lumagen - the Paladin lens would have caused me to have to move the mount back approx 2' more 1.6 min throw x screen width.
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If you are shorter than the minimum why would you want to go shorter?

It is confusing how you are asking this, 1.4 is the minimum throw distance (120" wide screen = 168" min throw for example from the projector lens itself, don't add for the thickness of the dcr lens), you can go farther away all you want, you just don't want to go shorter distances away from the minimum, you may loose the ability to overscan your screen border and may not be able to correct distortion added by the lens. The farther away the less perceived distortion you will get with the lens, Note: This is why i had to go to the DCR over just the Paladin for my RS4500 i already had the mount location for an NX9/RS3000 in mind trying to avoid buying a lumagen - the Paladin lens would have caused me to have to move the mount back approx 2' more 1.6 min throw x screen width.
Thanks, I meant to say smaller screen size. I'll keep the screen size that would be within the minimum throw distance.

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Thanks, I meant to say smaller screen size. I'll keep the screen size that would be within the minimum throw distance.

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After i posted my response and re-read your post, i sort of figured out what you meant, but it was too late as i had already sent my response. LOL
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Could someone please PM me the best place to get a good price on this lens. I would like to increase the light output on my 2.40 screen using a JVC N7 projector. Preferably a dealer that can ship overseas but I can get it delivered to a relative in the US if required. I am no immediate rush so can wait for any sale that comes up. Thanks.

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I installed my Paladin last night but the space where it has to be mounted is too small to fit a screwdriver, so the screws are only hand tight (using a phillips driver bit). Any suggestions about tiny drivers to get at the screws would be great! I think the lens is slightly lower on the right. Otherwise, what a difference from my previous setup using the Panamorph 480! Maybe a slight bit brighter but the clarity is so much better!


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I installed my Paladium last night but the space where it has to be mounted is too small to fit a screwdriver, so the screws are only hand tight (using a phillips driver bit). Any suggestions about tiny drivers to get at the screws would be great! I think the lens is slightly lower on the right. Otherwise, what a difference from my previous setup using the Panamorph 480! Maybe a slight bit brighter but the clarity is so much better!


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Definitely looks like the lens is tilted though, from the photos
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Could someone please PM me the best place to get a good price on this lens. I would like to increase the light output on my 2.40 screen using a JVC N7 projector. Preferably a dealer that can ship overseas but I can get it delivered to a relative in the US if required. I am no immediate rush so can wait for any sale that comes up. Thanks.
I would appreciate that info too. Of course I live in the State so overseas delivery isn’t an issue. Thanks.

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I would ask @Shawn Kelly when the next B-stock sale is---that will be your best bet for lower pricing. I have a B-stock DCR and it is fantastic.
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I installed my Paladin last night but the space where it has to be mounted is too small to fit a screwdriver, so the screws are only hand tight (using a phillips driver bit). Any suggestions about tiny drivers to get at the screws would be great! I think the lens is slightly lower on the right. Otherwise, what a difference from my previous setup using the Panamorph 480! Maybe a slight bit brighter but the clarity is so much better!
You need a mini socket wrench set:

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I swapped out my 480 for the DCR two nights ago and want to say the difference is incredible! I'm not a videophile so didn't take any measurements and in fact, I haven't really tweaked the DCR completely (I'm waiting for the ratchet Phillips driver linked above), but it is very close to optimum. The picture is so much more defined from my Sony 5000 and 16' 2.35, 1.1 microperf screen. The clarity is amazing! It seems brighter too but that is subtle. When I first installed the projector, I was told by the seller to not use any anamorphic lens as the projector didn't need it. For 2.40 content, the picture looked good but for 1.78 expanded to fill my 2.35 screen, I was bothered by the top and bottom overspray of light so I installed my old Panamorph 480. That made a big difference. 2.40 content was brighter and better defined. I was skeptical about the Paladin (given it's expense) but after spending so much on the projector, I decided to bite the bullet and order one. The difference between the 480 and the DCR lens is very noticeable and for me, worth the added expense. Last night, I watched Highwaymen on Netflix and wow!! I also compared my picture to our brand new iPic theater and other than their 30+ foot screen size, my picture quality was better!

I know I'm rambling but I've never had such an impressive picture in my house ever! My last projector, a Sim2 HT5000 never really impressed me. It was good and bright but the colors were always off even after calibration. Now with the Sony 5000 and Paladin DCR, I have a system that I would put up against any commercial theater. Sign me up as a fanboy!!!
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I feel the same way about my RS2000 and DCR combination---and I haven't even tweaked all the settings and gotten it fully set up (too busy watching movies!)
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I know I'm rambling but I've never had such an impressive picture in my house ever! My last projector, a Sim2 HT5000 never really impressed me. It was good and bright but the colors were always off even after calibration. Now with the Sony 5000 and Paladin DCR, I have a system that I would put up against any commercial theater. Sign me up as a fanboy!!!
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I feel the same way about my RS2000 and DCR combination---and I haven't even tweaked all the settings and gotten it fully set up (too busy watching movies!)
Told you so...
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The DCR is magical.
It is amazing! I haven't read any comparisons between the 480 and the DCR but I can say the DCR is the way to go with this projector. In fact, until they make high end projectors with a 2.40 aspect chip, some form of anamorphic solution is essential.
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It is amazing! I haven't read any comparisons between the 480 and the DCR but I can say the DCR is the way to go with this projector. In fact, until they make high end projectors with a 2.40 aspect chip, some form of anamorphic solution is essential.
You made a very good point on light spill... people say that A Lens reduces ANSI but what about all the light spill we were getting above and below the screen?? That should cause havoc on the ANSI.
What I love about the lens is (a) The definition of the picture has vastly improved - is it higher pixel density? I don't know... but that is the end result (b) And I might get flamed for it - but this is a very economical upgrade for the price - for what it delivers in picture quality and convenience and thus the return on the spend.
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You made a very good point on light spill... people say that A Lens reduces ANSI but what about all the light spill we were getting above and below the screen?? That should cause havoc on the ANSI.
What I love about the lens is (a) The definition of the picture has vastly improved - is it higher pixel density? I don't know... but that is the end result (b) And I might get flamed for it - but this is a very economical upgrade for the price - for what it delivers in picture quality and convenience and thus the return on the spend.
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Just like the uh380 piece of glass and the uh480 piece of glass or an isco IIIL that should never wear out?
True. But the DCR lens, being optimized for 4096 x 2160 4K projectors, makes most of those less desirable in the current 4K era. IMO. Plus, vertical compression lenses are perfect for " zoomers " who want to improve their picture. I would be one of those admittedly.
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I feel the same way about my RS2000 and DCR combination---and I haven't even tweaked all the settings and gotten it fully set up (too busy watching movies!)
Ditto, same setup and LOVE it. Kris Deering even dialed back HDR brightness a little because of it to get me down to 32FL and get better contrast.

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True. But the DCR lens, being optimized for 4096 x 2160 4K projectors, makes most of those less desirable in the current 4K era. IMO. Plus, vertical compression lenses are perfect for " zoomers " who want to improve their picture. I would be one of those admittedly.
I get the vertical compression part of things, and that the glass may be a LITTLE sharper than perhaps the previous gens of panamorphs, but I still find my uh380 I scooped for pennies compared to the DCR's even b-stock pricing, with a little overscan I have zero problems with, looks wonderful... To say the optics aren't good enough on the IIIL for 4K is a little suspect. You didn't say such, but I've seen it mentioned.

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