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BTW, in another thread it was suggested that Panamorph lenses including the DCR use plastic optics. I'm not sure where that idea came from so (repeating my reply from there) just to be perfectly clear Panamorph lenses are made from high end optical projection glass to higher than typical industry Mil-Spec standards with optimized AR coatings. It is true that they are hybrids of cylindrical and prism technologies which makes them expensive to produce, but they are certainly made completely from glass which is why when we say we've sold tons of lenses its quite literal.

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BTW, in another thread it was suggested that Panamorph lenses including the DCR use plastic optics. I'm not sure where that idea came from so (repeating my reply from there) just to be perfectly clear Panamorph lenses are made from high end optical projection glass to higher than typical industry Mil-Spec standards with optimized AR coatings. It is true that they are hybrids of cylindrical and prism technologies which makes them expensive to produce, but they are certainly made completely from glass which is why when we say we've sold tons of lenses its quite literal.
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If I own a 2018 Sony VPL 885, does that mean I cannot use one of this Panomorph lens?

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If I own a 2018 Sony VPL 885, does that mean I cannot use one of this Panomorph lens?



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The DCR lens will work with any native 4K projector including the Sony’s.


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Thank you Craig Peer. Only asked as the Panamorph web page says the lens is compatible with all 2019 Sony models. Gave me the impression that it is not compatible with 2018 😂
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Hi everyone

Sorry if this question has been asked but I have a 16/9 screen, 3m base and a sony 760vw and I was wondering if adding a paladin dcr lens is making sense and bring significant added value (brigthness and black bars removing). I see that in most of the case the screen mentioned are 2.35:1.
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Thank you Craig Peer. Only asked as the Panamorph web page says the lens is compatible with all 2019 Sony models. Gave me the impression that it is not compatible with 2018 😂
I tried to go on the Panamorph web site and it said THIS PAGE CAN'T BE DISPLAYED OR SITE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. What gives?
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Hi everyone

Sorry if this question has been asked but I have a 16/9 screen, 3m base and a sony 760vw and I was wondering if adding a paladin dcr lens is making sense and bring significant added value (brigthness and black bars removing). I see that in most of the case the screen mentioned are 2.35:1.
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The purpose of the lens is to expand a 2:35 scope image to fill a scope screen and give you greater brightness by using all the pixels of the projector, so not for you really...
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I tried to go on the Panamorph web site and it said THIS PAGE CAN'T BE DISPLAYED OR SITE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. What gives?
Hm.... if I had to guess that probably means the site is under construction.

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I tried to go on the Panamorph web site and it said THIS PAGE CAN'T BE DISPLAYED OR SITE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. What gives?
Working fine for me: https://www.panamorph.com/
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I tried to go on the Panamorph web site and it said THIS PAGE CAN'T BE DISPLAYED OR SITE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. What gives?
Working fine for me too
https://www.panamorph.com/vpl-vw885-vw695-vw995/
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I tried to go on the Panamorph web site and it said THIS PAGE CAN'T BE DISPLAYED OR SITE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. What gives?
Weird, I'm getting this:

This site can’t be reached www.panamorph.com refused to connect.
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Checking the connection
Checking the proxy and the firewall
ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED

All other sites I've tried work fine. Wonder what the deal is here?

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Weird, I'm getting this:

This site can’t be reached www.panamorph.com refused to connect.
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Checking the connection
Checking the proxy and the firewall
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All other sites I've tried work fine. Wonder what the deal is here?
Worked fine for me, but I have gotten those error messages over the last few days on other websites. Sunspots or internet glitches !
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The purpose of the lens is to expand a 2:35 scope image to fill a scope screen and give you greater brightness by using all the pixels of the projector, so not for you really...
This is a vertical compression lens, so technically there is no expansion going on.

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This is a vertical compression lens, so technically there is no expansion going on.
Yes, oops...
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All other sites I've tried work fine. Wonder what the deal is here?
When stuff like that happens I use a differ browser, it is amazing how somtimes things do not work with one and work fine with another.
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When stuff like that happens I use a differ browser, it is amazing how somtimes things do not work with one and work fine with another.
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Sorry if this question has been asked but I have a 16/9 screen, 3m base and a sony 760vw and I was wondering if adding a paladin dcr lens is making sense and bring significant added value (brigthness and black bars removing). I see that in most of the case the screen mentioned are 2.35:1.
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Using the Paladin DCR for 2.4:1 content on a 16:9 screen will definitely create a much brighter and more detailed image. No question. Then removing the lens for 16:9 content will pop the image back up for full 16:9 performance. After the initial lens set up it takes less than 60 seconds to take off / put on as long as you can reach the projector / lens area.

The reason some suggest that anamorphic is primarily for 2.4:1 screens is simply that if movies are important enough to go for that ultimate quality then it should be recognized that those movies were directed/created to be more immersive and therefore wider than 16:9 rather than smaller. The other factor is that removing the lens system means different brightness and pixel count per unit area for different content. With a fixed lens on a 2.4:1 screen all content gets the same brightness and pixel count per unit area regardless of how you watch it.
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Now that many of the new JVC 4K models have shipped and there are obviously a fair number of DCR lenses with them, any impressions of how noticable the JVC 6% extra squeeze is for 16:9 using Anamorphic B?

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Now that many of the new JVC 4K models have shipped and there are obviously a fair number of DCR lenses with them, any impressions of how noticable the JVC 6% extra squeeze is for 16:9 using Anamorphic B?
I have CIH masking that is set up for 16:9, so it is annoying to see the narrow edges of the screen that are not masked when watching 16:9 content. I know that JVC apparently has bigger fish to fry with their firmware, but I would really like to see the proper scaling for this lens added. Depending on the content, it is often noticable that the image is squeezed as well.

I do love the lens, but this does take away from 100% satisfaction with it. It's awesome for 2.4:1 however.
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I have CIH masking that is set up for 16:9, so it is annoying to see the narrow edges of the screen that are not masked when watching 16:9 content. I know that JVC apparently has bigger fish to fry with their firmware, but I would really like to see the proper scaling for this lens added. Depending on the content, it is often noticable that the image is squeezed as well.

I do love the lens, but this does take away from 100% satisfaction with it. It's awesome for 2.4:1 however.
Do you notice the 6% squeeze on sports games like a Basketball game ?
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Do you notice the 6% squeeze on sports games like a Basketball game ?
I don't watch much basketball, but the main sport I do watch is college football (which is coming up). I can let you know, but I'm hoping that the distraction from the stretch with the Anamorphic mode off is equal to the distraction from the 6% squeeze. As long as the graphics aren't cut off, that will almost fill the widescreen and only cut off a bit on the top/bottom.

Note that I don't think I would ever do this if there was a proper mode D, as I am typically an OAR kind of person. But since we're handicapped a bit, I'll rationalize this to get a bigger picture.
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Hi all!

I have a JVC RS500. Not quite ready to switch to the 1000/2000/3000 but will likely go to an RS2000 next year, possibly year after.

I would love to have thoughts or hear from experience with anyone who has used the last few generations of JVCs, 500/600 Faux 4k line, with the Panamorph DCR. In order to consider an anamorphic lens, I need to go with the Paladin DCR because it allows 1.4 throw ratio. I am at 1.42 and then just enough room between the projector and the wall to ventilate. Cutting into the wall would get me 3 more inches before hitting concrete block.

What would my 2.40:1 image be like? 16:9? Brightness improvement worth it? Distortion too much?

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I have a JVC RS500. Not quite ready to switch to the 1000/2000/3000 but will likely go to an RS2000 next year, possibly year after.

I would love to have thoughts or hear from experience with anyone who has used the last few generations of JVCs, 500/600 Faux 4k line, with the Panamorph DCR. In order to consider an anamorphic lens, I need to go with the Paladin DCR because it allows 1.4 throw ratio. I am at 1.42 and then just enough room between the projector and the wall to ventilate. Cutting into the wall would get me 3 more inches before hitting concrete block.

What would my 2.40:1 image be like? 16:9? Brightness improvement worth it? Distortion too much?

Thanks!
I used the DCR for about 6 weeks with my RS600 before my RS3000 arrived, and in my case it worked well. To get the most light for HDR, I'm also at about 1.42 throw. However, I already owned the Lumagen Radiance Pro and with that I could set the aspect ratio to 2.22 (16:9 * 1.25) so that the scaling was correct - though I did have to mask the sides a little. If I didn't have the Radiance or using something like an HTPC with MadVR, I don't think I would like the incorrect scaling provided solely by the projector. With a laptop and something like VLC, you can probably play some movie clips at a vertical scaling of 1.06 (to simulate 1.33 projector scaling / 1.25 DCR squeeze) to see if you think it looks fine. Some people have the DCR with the new JVC and have a 6% extra horizontal stretch for 16:9 content when purely using the projector for scaling, with some saying its ok.
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I have a JVC RS500. Not quite ready to switch to the 1000/2000/3000 but will likely go to an RS2000 next year, possibly year after.

I would love to have thoughts or hear from experience with anyone who has used the last few generations of JVCs, 500/600 Faux 4k line, with the Panamorph DCR. In order to consider an anamorphic lens, I need to go with the Paladin DCR because it allows 1.4 throw ratio. I am at 1.42 and then just enough room between the projector and the wall to ventilate. Cutting into the wall would get me 3 more inches before hitting concrete block.

What would my 2.40:1 image be like? 16:9? Brightness improvement worth it? Distortion too much?

Thanks!
The DCR requires a different stretch than what the RS500 offers. The regular Paladin matches up with your projector, but longer throw. I think you should be looking at a different lens, to get it to work with your throw, your current projector and your next projector.
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Hello, I’m new to the DCR world. I have a question. If I am at the shortest throw distance for my ultra wide screen, would I have to mount the projector closer after installing the DCR lens?


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Ideally you aren't closer than 1.4 screen widths - projector lens to screen.

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