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Ideally you aren't closer than 1.4 screen widths - projector lens to screen.


I gotcha. I saw a video explaining anamorphic lens and the sides were stretched horizontally and vertically to fill the ultra wide format screen.


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Use Projector or Lumagen Scaler?

I have a DCR Paladin on the way to replace the UA480 and trying to determine the optimum setup. I see that a number of Sony owners on this Thread that have a Lumagen Radiance Pro are using the Sony to upscale to 4096x2160. I mentioned this to Jim Peterson at Lumagen and he indicated the Pro would do a better job. He referred me to a test report on the Lumagen home page titled "Polishing your Pixels" that says in part:

"Sony's VPL-VW5000ES uses the company's proprietary video scaler, dubbed the Reality Creation engine. It's good, but it's not great. The projector does an efficient job of mapping the image to 4K.... However, once put through the Lumagen, the Sony's own scaling seems, by comparison, coarse and harsh. It's as if each pixel has been hand-crafted by the external scaler, and the Sony now is shining as you would expect from such a big-ticket projector".

Are there some other considerations that would favor using the Sony for 4096x2160 conversion?
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I have a DCR Paladin on the way to replace the UA480 and trying to determine the optimum setup. I see that a number of Sony owners on this Thread that have a Lumagen Radiance Pro are using the Sony to upscale to 4096x2160. I mentioned this to Jim Peterson at Lumagen and he indicated the Pro would do a better job. He referred me to a test report on the Lumagen home page titled "Polishing your Pixels" that says in part:

"Sony's VPL-VW5000ES uses the company's proprietary video scaler, dubbed the Reality Creation engine. It's good, but it's not great. The projector does an efficient job of mapping the image to 4K.... However, once put through the Lumagen, the Sony's own scaling seems, by comparison, coarse and harsh. It's as if each pixel has been hand-crafted by the external scaler, and the Sony now is shining as you would expect from such a big-ticket projector".

Are there some other considerations that would favor using the Sony for 4096x2160 conversion?
Scaling by the Lumagen would be the better way to go. No Sony owner that has a Lumagen should be using the projector for the scaling.
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I have a DCR Paladin on the way to replace the UA480 and trying to determine the optimum setup. I see that a number of Sony owners on this Thread that have a Lumagen Radiance Pro are using the Sony to upscale to 4096x2160. I mentioned this to Jim Peterson at Lumagen and he indicated the Pro would do a better job. He referred me to a test report on the Lumagen home page titled "Polishing your Pixels" that says in part:

"Sony's VPL-VW5000ES uses the company's proprietary video scaler, dubbed the Reality Creation engine. It's good, but it's not great. The projector does an efficient job of mapping the image to 4K.... However, once put through the Lumagen, the Sony's own scaling seems, by comparison, coarse and harsh. It's as if each pixel has been hand-crafted by the external scaler, and the Sony now is shining as you would expect from such a big-ticket projector".

Are there some other considerations that would favor using the Sony for 4096x2160 conversion?
Scaling by the Lumagen would be the better way to go. No Sony owner that has a Lumagen should be using the projector for the scaling.
If you watch a fair amount of sports, using motionflow interpolation is beneficial - this is disabled when the 5000 is presented with a 4096 signal
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If you watch a fair amount of sports, using motionflow interpolation is beneficial - this is disabled when the 5000 is presented with a 4096 signal
Hmm, good to know. We rarely watch sports in the theater, so will use the Lumagen. Thanks!
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Hello. What’s the best thing to use to clean the DCR lens? I have a lot of dust and smudges on the glass.


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Hello. What’s the best thing to use to clean the DCR lens? I have a lot of dust and smudges on the glass.
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The Paladin DCR b-stock sale end soon and I am really temp to buy one.

Anyone here who buy a b stock DCR in the past? Satisfied?

Something I should know or worries about b stock?

Thanks for any tips on this one
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The Paladin DCR b-stock sale end soon and I am really temp to buy one.

Anyone here who buy a b stock DCR in the past? Satisfied?

Something I should know or worries about b stock?

Thanks for any tips on this one
Should not be a problem. I've heard no complaints. The actual lens should be 100% good.
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Along with the Lumagen Radiance Pro's dynamic tone mapping, the DCR lens is the best thing I've added to my RS4500. The combination of the two have really improved the overall picture quite a bit. You are going to love it !
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I have a b stock and I honestly cannot see anything wrong with it at all
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JVC is adding Anamorphic D mode to the RS 1000 / 2000 / 3000, for DCR users !

http://pro.jvc.com/pro/pr/2019/consu...re_update.html
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http://pro.jvc.com/pro/pr/2019/consu...re_update.html
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I saw this in the projector thread as well. Great news!
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The $$$$$$$million dollar question - which demo(s) at CEDIA 2019 next week will use a DCR anamorphic lens?

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The $$$$$$$million dollar question - which demo(s) at CEDIA 2019 next week will use a DCR anamorphic lens?


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Currently have a JVC x970R (RS620). Considering getting an JVC NX9+ DCR lens.

I sit 12' away from a 127" wide (138" diagonal) 2.35:1 screen.

If we ignore brightness for a minute and only think about resolution, does my seating distance negate any resolution benefits that the DCR lens adds?
I mean, am I just too far away to see the added resolution the DCR lens provides over and above what the NX9 would provide over my x970R on it's own?

With all the complexities and expense of DCR lens and then having to move it aside for 16:9 content (I'm about 50/50 scope vs. HDTV), I'm thinking if I don't see any benefits anyways for resolution I'll take the hit on brightness for scope and just get an NX9 without the DCR.
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Currently have a JVC x970R (RS620). Considering getting an JVC NX9+ DCR lens.

I sit 12' away from a 127" wide (138" diagonal) 2.35:1 screen.

If we ignore brightness for a minute and only think about resolution, does my seating distance negate any resolution benefits that the DCR lens adds?
I mean, am I just too far away to see the added resolution the DCR lens provides over and above what the NX9 would provide over my x970R on it's own?

With all the complexities and expense of DCR lens and then having to move it aside for 16:9 content (I'm about 50/50 scope vs. HDTV), I'm thinking if I don't see any benefits anyways for resolution I'll take the hit on brightness for scope and just get an NX9 without the DCR.
You are going to see the added brightness for HDR for sure. You may find you want to move your seating closer. One screen width away seems good - that's about 17" closer than you are now.
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Currently have a JVC x970R (RS620). Considering getting an JVC NX9+ DCR lens.

I sit 12' away from a 127" wide (138" diagonal) 2.35:1 screen.

If we ignore brightness for a minute and only think about resolution, does my seating distance negate any resolution benefits that the DCR lens adds?
I mean, am I just too far away to see the added resolution the DCR lens provides over and above what the NX9 would provide over my x970R on it's own?

With all the complexities and expense of DCR lens and then having to move it aside for 16:9 content (I'm about 50/50 scope vs. HDTV), I'm thinking if I don't see any benefits anyways for resolution I'll take the hit on brightness for scope and just get an NX9 without the DCR.
You don't *have* to move the lens for 16:9 content - only for 3D content. Granted, you will gain brightness if you move the lens but keep in mind with the lens you will have the same brightness (fL) for 2.40 and 16:9. It is true that you will lose some resolution for 16:9 for 4K source material if you keep the lens in place. I wouldn't worry too much about that though - I see a far greater difference in how various source material is produced and mastered than I do from even the difference between HD (upscaled) and 4K.

For what it is worth - I went through the same decision path as you (including considering the RS4500) and decided to get the NX9 with no anamorphic lens for now (I am coming from an RS600). What put me over the top is the NX9 firmware upgrade that includes dynamic tone mapping. I calculated that in worst case I will have 27 fL - and that is enough for good HDR when there is dynamic tone mapping. Much more in brightness and I would start elevating the black floor. For me - I know the brightness will be fine as I have the same 27 fL brightness today - with static tone mapping and it is very watchable. The only downside I see is I will need to use high lamp for 2.40 HDR.

I figure I have the option to add the anamorphic lens later and meanwhile I am looking forward to learn more about DTM in the JVC vs. Lumagen vs. Envy.
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You are going to see the added brightness for HDR for sure. You may find you want to move your seating closer. One screen width away seems good - that's about 17" closer than you are now.
I was sitting 13.5' away, so my move to about 11.5' now is as close as I can get it.
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You don't *have* to move the lens for 16:9 content - only for 3D content. Granted, you will gain brightness if you move the lens but keep in mind with the lens you will have the same brightness (fL) for 2.40 and 16:9. It is true that you will lose some resolution for 16:9 for 4K source material if you keep the lens in place. I wouldn't worry too much about that though - I see a far greater difference in how various source material is produced and mastered than I do from even the difference between HD (upscaled) and 4K.

For what it is worth - I went through the same decision path as you (including considering the RS4500) and decided to get the NX9 with no anamorphic lens for now (I am coming from an RS600). What put me over the top is the NX9 firmware upgrade that includes dynamic tone mapping. I calculated that in worst case I will have 27 fL - and that is enough for good HDR when there is dynamic tone mapping. Much more in brightness and I would start elevating the black floor. For me - I know the brightness will be fine as I have the same 27 fL brightness today - with static tone mapping and it is very watchable. The only downside I see is I will need to use high lamp for 2.40 HDR.

I figure I have the option to add the anamorphic lens later and meanwhile I am looking forward to learn more about DTM in the JVC vs. Lumagen vs. Envy.
Yes, the new JVC DTM looks quite promising. I however already run madvr with astounding results, so that likely negates any benefit from the new JVC DTM in the NX9 (making me again think of the RS4500).
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Yes, the new JVC DTM looks quite promising. I however already run madvr with astounding results, so that likely negates any benefit from the new JVC DTM in the NX9 (making me again think of the RS4500).
Sounds like you are honing in on your decision. I have been following the RS4500 for quite a while and the owners seem very happy (and helpful). If it's within your budget sounds like a great option!

I use a lot of non-disk sources (AppleTV, Playstation, Kaleidescape) so madVR is not an option for me. I do think I will ultimately end up with the DCR A-lens. By all accounts it is also an outstanding product - and I like the idea of improving brightness for 2.40 content.
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And to add to the discussion, the Panamorph lens' can move to your next projector(s). I had my previous Panamorph for 15 years and I can't recall how many projectors. My new one will outlast me - as, I suspect, will my Lumagen.
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Anyone here who buy a b stock DCR in the past? Satisfied?

Something I should know or worries about b stock?

Thanks for any tips on this one

I have purchased used Panamorph product from others and Sean has still helped me resolve some minor issues with the same. A B-stock from him is as good as a new one IMHO. This company is small but his service is huge, don't even hesitate, at least not for

warranty or quality issues.
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