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Hello everyone, what's the point of using an anamorphic lens?

Current projectors are quite bright so I don't see the point of such a device anymore ...

But I'm still interested in it and I'm trying to understand why we still use it?
For most people here in the US, more brightness is wanted, due to large screen sizes. For myself, more brightness is always wanted, because I use a low gain woven AT screen. The other advantages of an A-lens besides brightness are; nearly instant aspect ratio changes, more accurate aspect ratio changes and increased pixel fill.
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I want one because i cant back my projector away from the screen enuf. The a lens would help widen my image. My throw ratio is 1.3. Might be to small for a lens tho, dunno. Msrp is $9000. I need dramatc price drop. I understand they were half off prerelease. I would do that if ever comes up again.
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I want one because i cant back my projector away from the screen enuf. The a lens would help widen my image. My throw ratio is 1.3. Might be to small for a lens tho, dunno. Msrp is $9000. I need dramatc price drop. I understand they were half off prerelease. I would do that if ever comes up again.
Unfortunately, that's not how an Anamorphic Lens. It doesn't add to the maximum screen size you can achieve, which is determined only by the Projector's specs, and Throw Distance.

Panamorph's recommendation is having a throw distance of 1.4 x screen width (of your scope screen). But if you can't even fill the scope screen from that distance, the DCR lens won't change that.

Or am I missing what you're saying?

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Unfortunately, that's not how an Anamorphic Lens. It doesn't add to the maximum screen size you can achieve, which is determined only by the Projector's specs, and Throw Distance.

Panamorph's recommendation is having a throw distance of 1.4 x screen width (of your scope screen). But if you can't even fill the scope screen from that distance, the DCR lens won't change that.

Or am I missing what you're saying?
And remember, the 1.4x is the MINIMUM recommendation. You're far more likely to see some visible artifacts (bowing near the edges of the image) at that kind of throw distance than a longer throw. I would recommend a 1.6x or higher if possible to eliminate any possible image artifacts that may distract (obviously you can use some overscan to help with this as well).
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I want one because i cant back my projector away from the screen enuf. The a lens would help widen my image. My throw ratio is 1.3. Might be to small for a lens tho, dunno. Msrp is $9000. I need dramatc price drop. I understand they were half off prerelease. I would do that if ever comes up again.
You would need a horizontal expansion lens. The DCR lens is a vertical compression lens.
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You would need a horizontal expansion lens. The DCR lens is a vertical compression lens.
Good point, Craig. I should have clarified that in my reply. I've only been thinking in terms of the DCR lens, and forgot about the HE lenses.

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Good point, Craig. I should have clarified that in my reply. I've only been thinking in terms of the DCR lens, and forgot about the HE lenses.
Mike was using an HE lens if I recall correctly for this very purpose at one point.
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Thank you for your answers despite my very basic English.

You have convinced me and I will take the plunge .

Last question, what do you use as a cart to remove the anamorphic lens during 16: 9 movies? Do you have a link or reference to give me?
Best choice ! I am personally not using a cart, it's fixed. I use either the Lumagen to 16:9 NLS or just open the L&R masks of my screen. If you live close to Geneva or travel here(guess not now), PM me and we could meet for a demo.
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I cracked faster than expected, the lens is ordered. I am now impatient


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Best choice ! I am personally not using a cart, it's fixed. I use either the Lumagen to 16:9 NLS or just open the L&R masks of my screen. If you live close to Geneva or travel here(guess not now), PM me and we could meet for a demo.
I also have a Lumagen pro in the system, can it automatically recognize the image format and adapt it automatically or do I have to do the manipulation manually?

So for 16: 9 you use the 16: 9 NLS function and for the 2:35 format ?

I don't have the number of messages required to send private messages yet, but I'm getting there soon

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I cracked faster than expected, the lens is ordered. I am now impatient




I also have a Lumagen pro in the system, can it automatically recognize the image format and adapt it automatically or do I have to do the manipulation manually?

So for 16: 9 you use the 16: 9 NLS function and for the 2:35 format ?

I don't have the number of messages required to send private messages yet, but I'm getting there soon
The Lumagen Pro has auto aspect ratio - you will be all set !
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I cracked faster than expected, the lens is ordered. I am now impatient

I also have a Lumagen pro in the system, can it automatically recognize the image format and adapt it automatically or do I have to do the manipulation manually?

So for 16: 9 you use the 16: 9 NLS function and for the 2:35 format ?

I don't have the number of messages required to send private messages yet, but I'm getting there soon
Looks like we live 20' away from each other so looking forward to explaining you in person.

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The Lumagen Pro has auto aspect ratio - you will be all set !
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I have already received my Paladin lens and I plan to install it this weekend .

I ask myself this question, at what ideal distance from the lens of the projector should I place it? Or as close as possible is ideal?
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I have already received my Paladin lens and I plan to install it this weekend .

I ask myself this question, at what ideal distance from the lens of the projector should I place it? Or as close as possible is ideal?
Congrats! Yes, as close as possible. Enjoy!
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I have already received my Paladin lens and I plan to install it this weekend .

I ask myself this question, at what ideal distance from the lens of the projector should I place it? Or as close as possible is ideal?
So, hamster71, did you complete the DCR lens installation? What are your thoughts? Just curiosity getting the better of me.

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First note, I bought the paladin and not the DCR paladin, but I think the benefits should be the same.

I just installed it so I don't really have any perspective to get a final opinion but for the moment I'm happy with my purchase.

The advantages are: the gain in brightness, the black bands which are really black now (I currently have a 16: 9 screen) and a better definition.

The only disadvantages in my opinion are: the fact of having to ideally remove the lens during films in 16: 9 and of course its very high purchase price.
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Nice Tom...Did it come with the coffee mug? Tell us what you think after the install.,

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Yes! Came with the coffee mug and the XM2 attachment kit (not pictured).
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Yes! Came with the coffee mug and the XM2 attachment kit (not pictured).
Hmmm, I didn’t get one with my DCR lens, must be a part of the promotion. Enjoy.

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Nice ! I want a coffee mug now.
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After after a few failed attempts of installing the DCR-C it’s finally up. In my haste, I was putting the lens mount that attaches to the plate, backwards. That was putting the lens too far from the PJ. Now it’s as close as possible. It’s not perfect yet, I only fiddled with it enough to fit the picture to the screen. So far I’m very happy with the improvement it provides. Takes my RS2000 to the next level.
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I think a panamorph lens is a must if you want the most out of your 4k projector. Honestly, it has been on of my best home theater purchases over the years.
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Bump: DCR-C users, so what do you think of your new lens? Don't be shy

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I think a panamorph lens is a must if you want the most out of your 4k projector. Honestly, it has been on of my best home theater purchases over the years.
Design for my future room has a 2.35 screen, and a fully enclosed (with proper ventilation of course) box for the PJ, so I'm still on the fence about whether I'd want to go for it due to the loss of horizontal resolution on 16:9. In other threads I was surprised by the number of people who remove their lens for non-scope content. Panamorph obviously avoids the issue on their site, and has no easy solution for doing that AFAIK, and sleds seem custom and expensive. Arg.
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Design for my future room has a 2.35 screen, and a fully enclosed (with proper ventilation of course) box for the PJ, so I'm still on the fence about whether I'd want to go for it due to the loss of horizontal resolution on 16:9. In other threads I was surprised by the number of people who remove their lens for non-scope content. Panamorph obviously avoids the issue on their site, and has no easy solution for doing that AFAIK, and sleds seem custom and expensive. Arg.
I don't remove the lens for 16:9 content, and honestly, if I don't know there were some technical compromises, I wouldn't be aware of it, as it seems just fine.

If you can find someone near you that has one, you could check it out for yourself, and see what you think.
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Design for my future room has a 2.35 screen, and a fully enclosed (with proper ventilation of course) box for the PJ, so I'm still on the fence about whether I'd want to go for it due to the loss of horizontal resolution on 16:9. In other threads I was surprised by the number of people who remove their lens for non-scope content. Panamorph obviously avoids the issue on their site, and has no easy solution for doing that AFAIK, and sleds seem custom and expensive. Arg.
If I had a 2.35:1 screen I would most likely leave the lens in place and mask the sides. My setup is 16:9 so I remove the lens for 16:9 content. It is not a picture quality issue just sizing in my case.
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I don't remove the lens for 16:9 content, and honestly, if I don't know there were some technical compromises, I wouldn't be aware of it, as it seems just fine.
Oh yes I don't doubt it. And if there were any comparisons to be made, they'd have to be on 16:9 / 1.85 content with a 4K DI.

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I don't remove the lens for 16:9 content, and honestly, if I don't know there were some technical compromises, I wouldn't be aware of it, as it seems just fine.

If you can find someone near you that has one, you could check it out for yourself, and see what you think.
Same here...non issue.
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First note, I bought the paladin and not the DCR paladin, but I think the benefits should be the same.

I just installed it so I don't really have any perspective to get a final opinion but for the moment I'm happy with my purchase.

The advantages are: the gain in brightness, the black bands which are really black now (I currently have a 16: 9 screen) and a better definition.

The only disadvantages in my opinion are: the fact of having to ideally remove the lens during films in 16: 9 and of course its very high purchase price.
Not sure why you are removing the lens. You mentioned you had a Lumagen Pro, so you should be able to leave the lens in place and have full support of ALL aspect ratios. If you are struggling with this, shoot me a PM.

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