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Hey Ash

Glad to hear that. Anticipating mine as well!

So, the 2.0 films look pretty nice in 2.4?

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And to watch 2:0 such as Netflix 'Stranger Things' 'First Contact' in 2:40...

Personally, I don't like to stretch 16:9 to 2:40 but people who watch sports may...

This Lens is the best addition I made to my setup - no wonder Craig is so mesmerized by its attributes... uses 5000ES internal processing with no zooming lenses and no light spill on the screen wall.

I just Love It.
Football and rugby probably looks okay for 16:9 stretched out on a 2.4 screen, but super models would look awful.
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Maybe it's me, but with a fixed lens, isn't the beauty of it watching 16:9 in 16:9 and 2.4 in 2.4 - and no moving parts?!
Well, that's just it - we now have the option of watching 16:9 multiple ways so I'm curious what everybody's doing.

Embarrassed (slightly) to say that I watched Pacific Rim on the full 2.4:1 screen, loved the experience and quality, only to be told next day at the office that it's a 1.85:1 movie. In that case I didn't even notice the top and bottom was cropped (not stretched, just cropped in that mode).
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Hey Ash

Glad to hear that. Anticipating mine as well!

So, the 2.0 films look pretty nice in 2.4?
'Fabulous'

And talk about embarrassed - when I just installed the lens - I watched the critically acclaimed Del Toro movie 'Shape Of water' which 1:85 on 2:40 and posted on this thread about it on how good this 2:40 movie looked with he DCR....not even realizing that it was to be watched in 1:85.... only for a forum member to send me a PM pointing this - so here it is I did not even notice ....

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'Fabulous'

And talk about embarrassed - when I just installed the lens - I watched the critically acclaimed Del Toro movie 'Shape Of water' which 1:85 on 2:40 and posted on this thread about it on how good this 2:40 movie looked with he DCR....not even realizing that it was to be watched in 1:85.... only for a forum member to send me a PM pointing this - so here it is I did not even notice ....
The ultimate endorsement!

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'Fabulous'

And talk about embarrassed - when I just installed the lens - I watched the critically acclaimed Del Toro movie 'Shape Of water' which 1:85 on 2:40 and posted on this thread about it on how good this 2:40 movie looked with he DCR....not even realizing that it was to be watched in 1:85.... only for a forum member to send me a PM pointing this - so here it is I did not even notice ....
Ha ! " The DCR lens allows you to correct the director's non wide screen aspect ratio choice ".

I do the same with those aspect ratio shape shifter movies - " Interstellar " on 4K looks great in scope - stunning really. Same with " The Dark Knight ".
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Fury on 4K Blu-ray looks fabulous ! RS4500 / Radiance Pro / DCR lens / Stewart StudioTek 130 screen -









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No one else has gone down the rabbit hole and gotten one of these lenses ?



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I know plenty of forum members have - not everybody posts. FWIW, I'd say 9:1 ratio of Sony 5000/885/760: JVC 4500. Red pill / Blue pill it's all good. Of course I can apply Matrix quotes all day.

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No one else has gone down the rabbit hole and gotten one of these lenses ?



Certainly interested but way too expensive for a site unseen purchase...and in general... my two cents...
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Certainly interested but way too expensive for a site unseen purchase...and in general... my two cents...
They really aren't that expensive - especially considering you already have a VW5000 and Lumagen ( street price - don't go by MSRP ).
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Certainly interested but way too expensive for a site unseen purchase...and in general... my two cents...

I'd agree with you for those who need a lumagen on top it's a decent outlay. For me I wanted a Lumagen in my system for my 4500. So it wasn’t a big step to spend the extra $5K and get the Paladin DCR. Can say it's proven well worth it and a hassle-free integration.

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i'm a new RS4500 owner, and so far very happy with it. a couple days ago i decided to order the Lumagen Pro and Paladin DCR based on feedback here, and my experience 10 years ago with an ISCO III.

i'm looking to optimize 4K and HDR, which was what pushed me to get the RS4500 to begin with. in August i have someone coming to professionally dial it all in, and figured i should pull the trigger now instead of later as those pieces appear to be inevitable.
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i'm a new RS4500 owner, and so far very happy with it. a couple days ago i decided to order the Lumagen Pro and Paladin DCR based on feedback here, and my experience 10 years ago with an ISCO III.

i'm looking to optimize 4K and HDR, which was what pushed me to get the RS4500 to begin with. in August i have someone coming to professionally dial it all in, and figured i should pull the trigger now instead of later as those pieces appear to be inevitable.
You are going to love that combination.
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They really aren't that expensive - especially considering you already have a VW5000 and Lumagen ( street price - don't go by MSRP ).
So, what is the "street price" ?

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So, what is the "street price" ?
You will need to contact a dealer or two for that.
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Oh, i thought you were representing a dealer.

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Oh, i thought you were representing a dealer.
Wouldn't be able to post pricing publicly here anyway. That is against forum rules. Gets people banned !
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So after watching " Ready Player One " Tuesday, and " Annihilation " last night ( both on 4K Blu-ray ), one of my guests said ( again ) - " the best thing you've done is add that lens " ( referring to the DCR lens ). It's always interesting when non " videophiles " can notice a big improvement !!
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I finally sat down and had another session with the Lumagen and DCR. I managed to find the Lumagen quick tip I'd seen before again, which I wish I remembered from seeing weeks ago and worked out the one setting that was left causing me trouble. The Lumagen's actual output AR mode that sits deeper down in the menus was wrong at 1.78. When this is the case it doesn't matter which mode you select on the remote, the Radiance is trying to adjust the picture from the wrong base AR. Once completed I was pretty quickly able to adjust the rest of the pic till fill my screen, no shrinking needed. In testing both full 2.35 material and going back to 1.85 and 16:9, everything finally appears hunky dory and visually pleasing.
How exactly did you do that? I have the same issue as you with the black bars left and right. Had to zoom and shrink a bit despite having set the Lumagen to 2.40 permanent AR.

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How exactly did you do that? I have the same issue as you with the black bars left and right. Had to zoom and shrink a bit despite having set the Lumagen to 2.40 permanent AR.

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I have say I went away for like 3 weeks and haven't used my HT much until about a 2 weeks ago. I was having to go back myself and try to work out the stretch situation again. I was playing a movie for someone else so I couldn't sit there and fiddle with it. It was probably from not having my HTPC in 4096x2160p output though which I'm going to check today. Also initially, I found with a fair few scope movies I also needed to shrink top and bottom slightly despite what I mentioned in this post.
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I have a DCR lens, a Lumagen Pro and a 2.40 screen. Set all sources to output 16x9. I set output aspect ratio as 2.40 and input as 2.40. Using a 2.39 movie, you adjust zoom to just fill the screen on both sides. By doing so, you will have some over-scan top and bottom. Using the same amount of shrink top and bottom from the Lumagen ensures you get the most image possible on the screen. You will get somewhat more or less over-scan top and bottom from using combinations of 2.35 and 2.37 input and output aspect ratios with a 2.40 screen. My 1.78 and 1.85 images are properly sized using 2.40 input and output. There is no other way to set this up correctly.


I have had the combination of the DCR lens with the Lumagen Pro since the beginning of the year. I would not be without it. I watch a lot of movies. Lately, it seems like 3 out of 4 are 2.39 AR. What the lens does for 2.39 movies has to be seen to be truly appreciated. No negatives, just all positives. If you have a 2.35 or 2.40 screen and a Lumagen Pro or a Sony 760/5000 you really need to try this. I cannot imagine you will send it back.
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@telem : I got a good amount of time yesterday to do stuff in my HT including updating my Lumagen firmware. What I quickly discovered with my width issue was that the Lumagen had somehow come out 4096x2160p output where I had set it. This is absolutely what does the trick with the RS4500, but could well have zero to do with Sony 760's and 5000's. Once I'd re-applied that setting all I needed was a tiny image shrink top and bottom to get the image looking perfect in all modes.
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@telem : I got a good amount of time yesterday to do stuff in my HT including updating my Lumagen firmware. What I quickly discovered with my width issue was that the Lumagen had somehow come out 4096x2160p output where I had set it. This is absolutely what does the trick with the RS4500, but could well have zero to do with Sony 760's and 5000's. Once I'd re-applied that setting all I needed was a tiny image shrink top and bottom to get the image looking perfect in all modes.
Thanks! I zoomed a bit and worked for me as well. I did not use Lumagen's shrink feature, I chose to to blank the top & bottom using Sony's blanking function. As I use both inputs for different sources I had no choice. Happy with the result!

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Thanks! I zoomed a bit and worked for me as well. I did not use Lumagen's shrink feature, I chose to to blank the top & bottom using Sony's blanking function. As I use both inputs for different sources I had no choice. Happy with the result!

I found straight up with the 4500, there was too much picture information there to be chopping 1.5-2% off with blanking or masking, which I actually did by accident initially before I utlised shrink mode. The best example being that of my HTPC desktop, I could no longer see taskbar properly which wasn't a good thing IMHO. Glad you found a result you're happy with though!
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The beauty of this lens with he 5000 (And BTW I am still mesmerized with this lens - best addition after spending all that on the 5000 and the screen install and what not to update my video - this lens kind of doubled the value of my install) is that you can eliminate the use of a Lumagen and use Sony's internal processing as the 5000 has a anamorphic mode.
To me that alone was huge as I wanted to rely on Sony image processing which is by far the best with Sony's experience with studio colors and movies. And for the same reason I use Sony 1000ES (even though I own a Oppo 203) as my UHD BD player when not using the Stratos.
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Does this lens support movies streamed from Netflix/Amazon prime without needing external processor like Lumagen?

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I would imagine in using this lens, you could do simple (cheaper) drop down masks as you only need to mask for 16:9.

No need for a Stewart Vistascope and it’s variable masking between 1.78 and 2-40 (and it’s associated increases cost over drop down masks for 16:9)? Nor a need for a Lumagen (if using a Sony 5000 ES as Ash has demonstrated.

Speaking of masking, does anyone use this lens without masking??? How much scatter when watching 16.9 in a 2.40, non-masked screen? Or does the Lumagen help with this? I assume no razor sharp dilineation on 16:9 material like masking provides?
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Does this lens support movies streamed from Netflix/Amazon prime without needing external processor like Lumagen?
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Does the lens also support the new Sony 870ES or is too early to tell?
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