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Hands-On Review: Sony VPL-VZ1000ES Ultra-Short Throw 4K HDR Home Theater Projector

So here's the gig. I have a VPL-VZ1000ES on-hand, paired with a 100" Screen Innovations Short Throw screen. I've installed it in my living room, right in front of my TV, to see what it's like to use it in that context.

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Definitely don't want to finish the review before the 4th.
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Nice write up.

That pricetag though. Yes, this is the "Ultra-Hi-End" playground, but spending $25K on this seems to me to be the rich-person equivalent of your technophobic brother in law spending $800 on a Bose Wave system -- for that money it would be possible to do so much better with a little more work and research.

To me the most exciting thing about this is that there is nothing inherent in this type of approach that will preclude rapid and extreme copycatting and associated price reduction to actual real-human levels.
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Nice write up.

That pricetag though. Yes, this is the "Ultra-Hi-End" playground, but spending $25K on this seems to me to be the rich-person equivalent of your technophobic brother in law spending $800 on a Bose Wave system -- for that money it would be possible to do so much better with a little more work and research.

To me the most exciting thing about this is that there is nothing inherent in this type of approach that will preclude rapid and extreme copycatting and associated price reduction to actual real-human levels.
I hear you 100%, it would be nice indeed if this technology became more affordable. I would think the lens is the greatest challenge given how precise it needs to be.

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Huh - there I was thinkin' our LG PF1000U Ultra Short Throw 1080p projector was soooo cool! Then I read this article ....
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Go Eagles!!! and this is coming from a Redskin fan.
I wonder how the Epson LS100 would compare, and if the difference is worth >$20,000.
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Here is my much cheaper but very similar 1080p UST laser 100" setup. Although not nearly in the same league as the Sony.
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Did I miss the price of the screen? I'm guessing the price is probably high than a lot of flat panel TV's. ..

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To me the most exciting thing about this is that there is nothing inherent in this type of approach that will preclude rapid and extreme copycatting and associated price reduction to actual real-human levels.
Epson just released their UST 1080p laser for $3k (you'll still need a screen) and Hisense has their "4K" "Laser TV" DLP which includes a 100" screen, a tuner, and a speaker system for $10k.

Just saying there is already a fairly affordable market for UST projectors, just doubt that any of them are on the same level as the Sony, or native 4K. Haven't seen it myself so I'm just assuming.

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Cool. Curious how the screen uniformity is and how HDR content looks on that smaller ALR screen.

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Nice, that sounds like the type of unit I’d want if I was going to go with a projector. Now I just have to wait for the technology to trickle down to a more affordable price.

UST offers so many advantages when it comes to ease of setup that I predict it’s going to be the biggest growth area in projectors moving forward. The big reason I’ve never considered a projector before is having no desire to cut holes in my ceiling to mount it and then deal with the very long cable runs between the projector and sources, UST alleviates both of those stumbling blocks.

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The big reason I’ve never considered a projector before is having no desire to cut holes in my ceiling to mount it and then deal with the very long cable runs between the projector and sources, UST alleviates both of those stumbling blocks.
True! Though it's nice you can still ceiling mount these too. Obviously not an issue with home theater, but very nice when a speaker (human) for example needs to be right on the screen for presentations, etc. No shadows or being blinded.....

How many lumens on this one?

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True! Though it's nice you can still ceiling mount these too. Obviously not an issue with home theater, but very nice when a speaker (human) for example needs to be right on the screen for presentations, etc. No shadows or being blinded.....

How many lumens on this one?
2500 lumens. I ran at at max output, notably it stayed whisper-quiet, as Sony promised (24 dB max. says the spec).

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This is exactly the kind of thing that I’d love to see go mainstream. $25K is pretty steep but im sure that’ll go down. I went from a 60” to a 75” and I still don’t get that eye popping size difference that it seemed on paper. Plus this seems like a much less intrusive install.

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Interested in seeing Mark's take on this! Recently sold my 40ES looking at 4kHDR upgrade, would love something like this in my home theatre. Until the prices drop significantly, I'll be looking from the sidelines.
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Impressive! But until BenQ, Epson, Optoma and others serve something similar to this up to me for $1500-$2500...it's nothing but eye candy IMO. Sorta like a store front window display...gawk with awe, but keep on moving. In all seriousness though...Our hobby and passion needs innovation like this to keep things moving forward. If the aforementioned kind of companies didn't see this kind of product to aim toward...we'd still be into 240p-480p CRT projectors.
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Question that I didn't see answered. Can you ceiling mount it? I don't think I'd be comfortable with it on the floor.

Also, how much light spills out beyond the screen (versus a traditional projector setup or a display)? Do I need to go full blackout theater to get the best experience?
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Question that I didn't see answered. Can you ceiling mount it? I don't think I'd be comfortable with it on the floor.

Also, how much light spills out beyond the screen (versus a traditional projector setup or a display)? Do I need to go full blackout theater to get the best experience?
You can ceiling mount it.

No light spills beyond the screen. If you set it up properly, it fills the screen perfectly, even with the tiny bezel on the Zero Edge ST screen (1/3")
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Do you think this would be a better alternative instead of buying a 88" 2019 Oled? I am thinking that the 88" OLed is going to be the same price for more. They actually have one on display at the best buy magnolia design center in Sterling va., I am going to check it out because I liked your review. With my blinds and shades down (Hunter Douglass PowerView Silhouette A Deux) I can get my room very dark.

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price, lol, must be a joke of some sort. hah-ah-ha-aaaah..??

i mean how many will they sell... will it even make financial sense ? maybe someone can compute some numbers... i mean this is even more niche than a curved 80 in oled

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The screen is designed for floor projection, though. And for UST. At least the screen SI promotes with this projector is.
Question is not how many will Sony sell, but how many has it sold, this is not a new projector? And how many has it sold of the first generation that was twice as expensive?The product development also feeds into the VW 760.

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The screen is designed for floor projection, though. And for UST. At least the screen SI promotes with this projector is.
Question is not how many will Sony sell, but how many has it sold, this is not a new projector? And how many has it sold of the first generation that was twice as expensive?The product development also feeds into the VW 760.
Sure, understood, the screen is designed to reject overhead light. If you turn it upside-down, it should still work with the projector... you'd just lose that overhead-light rejecting capability. Not an issue if you turn off the ceiling lights, were one to exercise that option. Anyhow, it sure seems like this thing was designed to be integrated into a custom credenza, or to sit on top of one.

This model shipped in April, I am not privy to Sony sales figures.

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I was curious and just checked what Sony is asking for this in Canada.
It's only $39,999.99. Yikes!
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Curious how the Hisense UST 4K laser projector compares to the Sony.

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Seeing the nits you measured, does it make sense to define it as HDR? The question comes from my absolute ignorance on projectors, be kind.

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Seeing the nits you measured, does it make sense to define it as HDR? The question comes from my absolute ignorance on projectors, be kind.
That’s an interesting question and it applies to all “HDR” projectors, not just this one.

The short answer is that there is no projector (at least for consumers) that comes close to 1000-nit peak highlights and HDR. Not even remotely close. Then again, I don’t see why anybody would be surprised that content mastered for home viewing is mastered for TVs and not projectors— that’s the reality of the marketplace.

Dolby Cinemas can reach 106 nits when showing HDR content graded for commercial cinema Dolby Vision, which is in the same ballpark as the peak brightness of this Sony. So as far as projection-based solutions go it is HDR-capable. Suffice to say it can all get a bit complex.

But, here’s the thing. HDR also brings with it 10-bit gradation, which offers a benefit in terms of image quality. Furthermore, tone mapping algorithms allow the highlight detail that’s contained in HDR to be preserved to some degree, so on an HDR projector you will still see detail that would be blown out in SDR.

So, overall, by accepting HDR content, the projector is able to show you a better image, with more detail than you’d see with SDR.

Edit - Also I've found that with HDR source material this projector gets brighter than the review indicated. It'll do 150 nits on this screen if you ask it to.
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So, overall, by accepting HDR content, the projector is able to show you a better image with more detail than you’d see with SDR.
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Well, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but the predecessor to this one was $50,000-$60,000? There must be a market! Will they sell these? Sure. I'd imagine you'd good some good sales in commercial applications. Not sure what the profit margin is, but I'm happy to see Sony pushing the tech. forward even though I won't be buying one soon. When they hit 5,000 lumens and $10,000, I'm in! At least for where I work, not home....

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