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Nope, you would have to step up to a Lumagen.
Wow. I’m sort of surprised no other Blu Ray player does such?!

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I will continue to use my 203 for as long as it works as intended, which I anticipate being a long time.
Great piece of kit that hasn't let me down yet. Owned since January 2017.

Is it possible that (along with other high end players out there) the imminent release of the UB9000 was the final nail in Oppo's coffin, what with Panasonic's huge resources and all?
Oppo saw the writing on the wall is my guess.

There will always be a need for players, but with Joe public not being bothered by ultimate sound/picture quality and prioritising convenience over actually owning the content outright, then they will become increasingly specialist.

It is a shame and I wish other manufacturers would keep their products up to date with new firmware as often, and for as long as, Oppo do/did.

The day they announced they were shutting up shop was a sad day.
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The Oppos are the Swiss Army knife of UHD players with all their great features. We especially like the Zoom mode to get rid of the black bars as much as we can. Mode 1.2 is awesome! I recently picked up a 205 so will sell one of my 203s soon. Anyway, I plan to use the Oppo with an Apple 4K for a long time. Even sending the A4K into the Oppo allows use of the Zoom mode! You get the best of both worlds utilizing an Oppo...

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I had two Oppo players, the latest the 103, which I sold last year to buy the Sony UBP X800. Oppo dvd players were certainly well made, but they do not excel at playing regular CDS. I have three different Sony players, two of which are the old 400 disc changers, and they sound much better than the 103. And many universal players play SACDS just as well as the Oppo. The only advantage of the Oppo players is that they were ahead of their time and had the technology to play any format through HDMI. But the sound quality was not exceptional, especially considering the price. That being said, they had good customer service and at least tried to give us products that kept pace with the technology.
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The 103 serves well as my DVD and BD player and enables region free playback so I can watch my PAL purchased movies problem free. It does all I need it to do, and the one aggravation of tearing/brief drop out on some film scene changes I can tolerate.

As streaming is far from reliable in the US yet, I'll continue to rely on it and dvd.com for when I need to watch a film reliably.
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I've had a 203 in my living room since they came out. Has worked flawlessly so far with my DVDs, Blu-Rays, and multi-channel SACDs. I ordered 2 more when I heard about the closing - 1 for when the HT gets finished, and 1 for the bedroom.
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I bought an Oppo 203 and also ordered the little region-free piece of hardware too from a seller in Denmark. For me that was needed because more and more 3D Blu rays are being region locked to Europe. I love 3D, so I buy them from Amazon's UK store and play them here in Washington state.

Sadly, Amazon (or the studios?) is basically killing off the 3D Blu ray market here in the USA, afaict. Not sure why, since it seems to still be going strong in Europe. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

My understanding is that other manufacturer's Blu ray players require hacked firmware updates to play region-free content, and that if you accidentally update the firmware to the latest version (or it auto-updates itself) then your player is not region-free anymore.

OTOH, the Oppo + region-free hardware route seems like a far superior way of watching region-locked content.

Because of that, I plan to keep my Oppo for a long time.
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Bought spare backup Oppo for use in years to come. No other player I know of offers movable subtitles and status reporting over RS232. Both these are crucical for my system to function, eg my Oppo reports changes in audio codec or colourspace and my cinema automation adapts accordingly...

So, for me, the only choice, now that Oppo has gone out of production is: Oppo.

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Cambridge Audio of course!

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Bought spare backup Oppo for use in years to come. No other player I know of offers movable subtitles and status reporting over RS232. Both these are crucical for my system to function, eg my Oppo reports changes in audio codec or colourspace and my cinema automation adapts accordingly...

So, for me, the only choice, now that Oppo has gone out of production is: Oppo.
I did the same here in Aus, purchased 2 spare units to put away ...i plan on spinning disc,s for many years to come..
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I did the same here in Aus, purchased 2 spare units to put away ...i plan on spinning disc,s for many years to come..
For anyone worried about longevity, I’m still using my HD-DVD players. As long as your Oppo passed all the QA/QC checks, I don’t think you will need to worry about replacement for a long time.
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Cambridge Audio of course!
With Oppo gone, not sure that will be an option. Where do you think they were getting their units?
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A Panasonic maybe ? There still are Oppo 203's available, and my Panasonic UB900 has been stellar. I think the new Panasonic 4K players will be great too.
The new tone mapping feature on the upcoming Panasonic 820 and 9000 will be worth keeping a close eye on for projector owners.
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From my understanding, Oppo has pledged to continue with updates for the current Oppo players for three years. That sounded great to me.
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With Oppo gone, not sure that will be an option. Where do you think they were getting their units?
They most certainly did a last time buy to support sales thru the end of the product line and support. How ever long that is. They probably bought two years worth.

No DAC in these 4K units but I preferred my older Cambridge Audio over Oppo in stereo. It sounded better to me.

Cambridge Audio makes fine products even if they just added a bit of their own secret sauce to the core unit.

If I couldn’t buy an Oppo I’d gladly move to Cambridge without much grief.

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With Oppo gone, not sure that will be an option. Where do you think they were getting their units?
Well, let me explain. Both companies actually get their units from Mediatek. The entire system is based on the mediatek development platform. That is why they are so similar! For this last generation Cambridge went with a slightly different approach than Oppo. They decided to go without any analog outputs to minimize noise. I also think the reason is that in this day and age and with a high-end player like one of these the consumer really expects a fully featured 7.2.4 analog out with Dolby Atmos decoded and this is something the Mediatek platform does not provide. So far the Cambridge Audio CXUHD seems like the most viable alternative to the Oppos.

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Well, let me explain. Both companies actually get their units from Mediatek. The entire system is based on the mediatek development platform. That is why they are so similar! For this last generation Cambridge went with a slightly different approach than Oppo. They decided to go without any analog outputs to minimize noise. I also think the reason is that in this day and age and with a high-end player like one of these the consumer really expects a fully featured 7.2.4 analog out with Dolby Atmos decoded and this is something the Mediatek platform does not provide. So far the Cambridge Audio CXUHD seems like the most viable alternative to the Oppos.
I believe your explanation is a little twisted.

Oppo is a subsidiary of BBK Electronics. A more apt comparison would be a comparison of BBK to Mediatek. The Oppo brand was created to market BBK CE products with a focus on western markets with Oppo Digital in North America.

Mediatek is a semiconductor company that designs and manufactures chipsets that are used in a very wide variety of products. I know of no actual finished CE product that Mediatek has manufactured and sold other than chipsets.

BBK Electronics began as a private label OEM for companies like Denon, NEC, Bose, and others. BBK Electronics is, at the moment, the second largest cell phone manufacture world wide with Samsung being number one. BBK sells phones under the Oppo, Vivo, OnePlus, and imoo brand names.

Yes, Oppo and Cambridge are similar because they share the same chipset. But the similarity continues with the Mediatek chipset being plugged into the same BBK circuit board with both name brands coming off the same BBK production line.

Cambridge is buying OEM from BBK/Oppo just as Lexicon and Ayre did. Lexicon shamelessly bolted on a new face plate to a stock unit to sell at a grossly inflated price and Ayre did some tweeking, selling their version of the Oppo at a premium. Non of this is really a well kept secret.

Whether or not Cambridge continues to offer a Blu-ray player can only be answered by Cambridge. One might speculate that Cambridge will not continue to offer a player with Oppo Digital shutting down, or its players unit cost will increase as a result of downsized economy of scale with Oppo Digital's exit, they find a new OEM source, or BBK continues as an OEM supplier.

P.S. The reason there is no " fully featured 7.2.4 analog out with Dolby Atmos decoded" is compliance with the Analog Sunset AACS license agreement.
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I believe your explanation is a little twisted.

Oppo is a subsidiary of BBK Electronics. A more apt comparison would be a comparison of BBK to Mediatek. The Oppo brand was created to market BBK CE products with a focus on western markets with Oppo Digital in North America.

Mediatek is a semiconductor company that designs and manufactures chipsets that are used in a very wide variety of products. I know of no actual finished CE product that Mediatek has manufactured and sold other than chipsets.

BBK Electronics began as a private label OEM for companies like Denon, NEC, Bose, and others. BBK Electronics is, at the moment, the second largest cell phone manufacture world wide with Samsung being number one. BBK sells phones under the Oppo, Vivo, OnePlus, and imoo brand names.

Yes, Oppo and Cambridge are similar because they share the same chipset. But the similarity continues with the Mediatek chipset being plugged into the same BBK circuit board with both name brands coming off the same BBK production line.

Cambridge is buying OEM from BBK/Oppo just as Lexicon and Ayre did. Lexicon shamelessly bolted on a new face plate to a stock unit to sell at a grossly inflated price and Ayre did some tweeking, selling their version of the Oppo at a premium. Non of this is really a well kept secret.

Whether or not Cambridge continues to offer a Blu-ray player can only be answered by Cambridge. One might speculate that Cambridge will not continue to offer a player with Oppo Digital shutting down, or its players unit cost will increase as a result of downsized economy of scale with Oppo Digital's exit, they find a new OEM source, or BBK continues as an OEM supplier.

P.S. The reason there is no " fully featured 7.2.4 analog out with Dolby Atmos decoded" is compliance with the Analog Sunset AACS license agreement.
BBK is not shutting down, only OPPO is. I am not talking about the chipset. Both players are built around the same development platform which includes a comprehensive schematic other companies may adjust to a certain extent. These two companies are not the only ones using various Mediatek development platforms, also Electrocompaniet uses them, although I think they gave up on 4K.
Anyhow, once an assembly line is built the price of the player is pretty much set contractually so Cambridge Audio has nothing to worry about. Time will tell if disk based media will play any role with 8K and other.technologies.

As far as Analog Sunset, you are right, they prevent playback on devices with analog out capability. Quite dumb if you ask me. Any processor with pre-outs can do the same thing. One would only save money if the player could do it too. Oh well...

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BBK is not shutting down, only OPPO is. I am not talking about the chipset. Both players are built around the same development platform which includes a comprehensive schematic other companies may adjust to a certain extent. These two companies are not the only ones using various Mediatek development platforms, also Electrocompaniet uses them, although I think they gave up on 4K.
Anyhow, once an assembly line is built the price of the player is pretty much set contractually so Cambridge Audio has nothing to worry about. Time will tell if disk based media will play any role with 8K and other.technologies.

As far as Analog Sunset, you are right, they prevent playback on devices with analog out capability. Quite dumb if you ask me. Any processor with pre-outs can do the same thing. One would only save money if the player could do it too. Oh well...
Sorry, I did not say that BBK is shutting down. And as a mater of fact Oppo as a brand is not shutting down either, they have simply announced end of life for certain product lines and that they will no longer participate in said markets.

Not really sure what you're saying... the chipset SoC is the platform. The circuit board is essentially I/O's.

I think if you dig deeper you'll find BBK as the OEM supplier of the Cambridge player with Cambridge tweaks. Again, I don't think it's an industry secret and follows the OEM business model of BBK.

As a mater of fact, Cambridge Audio representatives have been quoted with regards to the CXUHD 4K-UHD that it, "...can seemingly only guarantee new player hardware availability for 12 more months." with regards to the announcement of Oppo Digital's exit from the market. If you think that they are not built at the same BBK factory, that's sure some remarkable coincidence with both companies.

So, it would seem that Cambridge does have something to worry about.

I'm referencing a story from Forbs where it is recognized that the Oppo UHD-203 and Cambridge CXUHD 4K-UHD are the same platform. The article would also seem to be a good indicator as to the end of life for the CXUHD 4K-UHD as well.

The full story is here from Forbs, April 2, 2018:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#838a4c53acc2

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I found this description of Panasonic UB9000 on avhub.
Don’t know if current Oppo does anything similar

“It will, of course, also play conventional Blu-rays, DVDs and CDs in addition to the UHD Blu-ray format, for which it will be THX-certified, and includes the latest version of Panasonic’s own HCX (Hollywood Color eXperience) processor, as also used in the new FZ series of OLED televisions. In addition to careful attention to chroma subsampling, the HCX processor now has completely new Dynamic Look Up Tables for colour accuracy, using an algorithm that monitors the average brightness level of a scene to dynamically load an LUT appropriate to that scene.”
I am looking forward to 9000 to replace my Oppo 203
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I don't plan on buying a 4K projector for another year or so. My old OPPO has the subtitle adjustment. It's a must have for any 4K player I buy in the future. Would it be wise to pick up a 203 now even though I won't need it for quite some time? I also love the region free kit that I use on my current OPPO. Region free is a must have feature as well. It's something that I can pick up for a 203 if I go that route.

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I don't plan on buying a 4K projector for another year or so. My old OPPO has the subtitle adjustment. It's a must have for any 4K player I buy in the future. Would it be wise to pick up a 203 now even though I won't need it for quite some time? I also love the region free kit that I use on my current OPPO. Region free is a must have feature as well. It's something that I can pick up for a 203 if I go that route.

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I found this description of Panasonic UB9000 on avhub.
Don’t know if current Oppo does anything similar

“It will, of course, also play conventional Blu-rays, DVDs and CDs in addition to the UHD Blu-ray format, for which it will be THX-certified, and includes the latest version of Panasonic’s own HCX (Hollywood Color eXperience) processor, as also used in the new FZ series of OLED televisions. In addition to careful attention to chroma subsampling, the HCX processor now has completely new Dynamic Look Up Tables for colour accuracy, using an algorithm that monitors the average brightness level of a scene to dynamically load an LUT appropriate to that scene.”
I am looking forward to 9000 to replace my Oppo 203
It will certainly be interesting to see how well this player works.
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I am hearing that Integra is also entering the market.
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The HDMI IN was one the best Oppo features, it would be interesting if the Panasonic players offered the same functionality.
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The HDMI IN was one the best Oppo features, it would be interesting if the Panasonic players offered the same functionality.
I would not hold my breath.
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I had been using an Oppo BDP-103 in my system since 2013. I recently bought an Oppo UDP-203 before they are gone. I haven't upgraded to a 4K display yet, but I might this year. So far, the Oppo UDP-203 has been performing perfectly for me. I have played CDs, SACDs, DVDs, DVD-As, Blu-rays, and UHD Blu-rays without any issues. I also have my cable DVR plugged into the HDMI input and haven't experienced any issues with out. I plan to continue to use the Oppo UDP-203 well into the future.

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Is there a replacement universal disk player yet?
I have the 103d and love that it plays EVERYTHING I have...especially the 3d blu rays from other regions as well as all of my SACD's, DVDa's and Blu Ray Audios.
Does the UDP-203 require a region free "kit" to play the foreign blu rays?
I was almost considering buying one, but at times I talk myself into waiting for some other manufacturer to fill the void with something possibly even better.

I mean, if I wanna watch 3d after my TV goes caput I am going to have to get a projector right?

Vizio m801d ISF calibrated
Anthem MRX 510, MiniDSP 2x4HD/WI-DG
Oppo 103d, Apple TV 4K, GIK MBT Panels
Paradigm studio 20 v5, cc 490, 4 monitor surround 3 v7, PSA V3601 & 2 V1811
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