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VW1000es upgrade

I have owned and enjoyed my Sony 1000 for several years now and now considering upgrading. I was considering going to the new 885es but then began researching the 5000. I read most of the Threads on those pj's but was having a hard time comparing. I know it's probably unfair to compare the two, given price, etc. My screen size is 10 X 5 1/2 ft. I watch BD's/DVD's/stream from my newly acquired Oppo 205. I'm not asking about $ differential, just thinking more on performance. I watch mainly movies and sports. My main concern with the two is the age differential. Given the 5000 is several years old already, how close is the 885 to the 5000? That's mainly what I am trying to get an opinion or two on. Any opinions would be welcomed. Thanks for reading!
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Hey Ray, I really think you can't go wrong with either unit. However, as a 1000/1100 owner myself I would recommend the 5000 or the JVC 4500 unit. When I upgrade the 1100 I will be go one of those directions. I saw the 4500 for a couple of hours in a dedicated room and was impressed. I hadn't seen a 5000 though.
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I was also going to say you should throw the RS4500 into the mix. If you are near Northern CA, you can come see mine.
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Hey Ray, I really think you can't go wrong with either unit. However, as a 1000/1100 owner myself I would recommend the 5000 or the JVC 4500 unit. When I upgrade the 1100 I will be go one of those directions. I saw the 4500 for a couple of hours in a dedicated room and was impressed. I hadn't seen a 5000 though.
Thanks for the tip. I'll look into that as well.
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I was also going to say you should throw the RS4500 into the mix. If you are near Northern CA, you can come see mine.
Two suggestions to look at the 4500. I am researching both now.
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I have owned and enjoyed my Sony 1000 for several years now and now considering upgrading. I was considering going to the new 885es but then began researching the 5000. I read most of the Threads on those pj's but was having a hard time comparing. I know it's probably unfair to compare the two, given price, etc. My screen size is 10 X 5 1/2 ft. I watch BD's/DVD's/stream from my newly acquired Oppo 205. I'm not asking about $ differential, just thinking more on performance. I watch mainly movies and sports. My main concern with the two is the age differential. Given the 5000 is several years old already, how close is the 885 to the 5000? That's mainly what I am trying to get an opinion or two on. Any opinions would be welcomed. Thanks for reading!
For that size screen not sure why you would not go with the VW885. My screen overall is slightly smaller than yours but I have more than enough light even for HDR and 3D . The Lumagen and anamorphic lens would give you another level of brightness and HDR beyond what any projector alone is capable of .

Are you going to stick with the 16:9 screen ? Most movies are 2.40:1, if you watch mostly TV/sports I suppose a 16:9 would also work though a variable format might be a better way to spend your money . If the room is ideal and light controlled, there is no reason to spend the additional money unless a larger screen is required. Use the money saved and buy a new screen with masking for both .
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For that size screen not sure why you would not go with the VW885. My screen overall is slightly smaller than yours but I have more than enough light even for HDR and 3D . The Lumagen and anamorphic lens would give you another level of brightness and HDR beyond what any projector alone is capable of .

Are you going to stick with the 16:9 screen ? Most movies are 2.40:1, if you watch mostly TV/sports I suppose a 16:9 would also work though a variable format might be a better way to spend your money . If the room is ideal and light controlled, there is no reason to spend the additional money unless a larger screen is required. Use the money saved and buy a new screen with masking for both .
Thanks for that perspective. The room is reasonably light controlled and I do watch mostly TV and sports, although we do watch a few movies per month. More food for thought!
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Thanks for that perspective. The room is reasonably light controlled and I do watch mostly TV and sports, although we do watch a few movies per month. More food for thought!
roxiedog13, now you have me thinking! If I were to go to a bigger screen, say 1 or 2 feet wider, and keep 16X9 format, I could fit it in my room, but I would have to perf the screen in the viewing area. Right now it is perfed in the black area of the screen, whatever that is called. Do you think the 885 could handle that? A larger perfed screen, that is.
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Two suggestions to look at the 4500. I am researching both now.
Try to view both the 885 and the RS4500 ...."IF" money isnt a hurdle for you, the RS4500 'IS" a far better projector..
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roxiedog13, now you have me thinking! If I were to go to a bigger screen, say 1 or 2 feet wider, and keep 16X9 format, I could fit it in my room, but I would have to perf the screen in the viewing area. Right now it is perfed in the black area of the screen, whatever that is called. Do you think the 885 could handle that? A larger perfed screen, that is.
If my numbers are correct, with the 885ES you could get around 30FL if you are getting 1600 lumens out of it, I have seen people get from between 1600-1800 lumens. 30FL would be great for HDR and you could scale it back a bit for SDR if you wanted.
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[QUOTE=kaotikr1;56159696]If my numbers are correct, with the 885ES you could get around 30FL if you are getting 1600 lumens out of it, I have seen people get from between 1600-1800 lumens. 30FL would be great for HDR and you could scale it back a bit for SDR

Thanks for that! Sounds like it would work.
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If my numbers are correct, with the 885ES you could get around 30FL if you are getting 1600 lumens out of it, I have seen people get from between 1600-1800 lumens. 30FL would be great for HDR and you could scale it back a bit for SDR

Thanks for that! Sounds like it would work.
If you can swing it, you could pair the 885ES with a Lumagen Pro and use the HDR Intensity Mapping feature, it does an excellent job with HDR.
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If my numbers are correct, with the 885ES you could get around 30FL if you are getting 1600 lumens out of it, I have seen people get from between 1600-1800 lumens. 30FL would be great for HDR and you could scale it back a bit for SDR if you wanted.

1830 calibrated lumens has been done with several projectors now , safe to say it's on the higher side of that number . I watched The Greatest Showman last night in HDR, on a similar screen size I was running 70% laser . Projector is 17 ft back just overhead and behind the second row of seats . Beauty of the VW885 it is small, light weight and extremely quiet, mounting it this close to the screen is no different than any other projector , in fact mine went on the same mount I had there for the VW675, it was in position and running half an hour later. No special mounting, noise deflectors or additional cooling necessary. If replacing a VW1000 it's almost plug and play really as the mounting points exactly the same . My VW885 produces considerably less heat than my previous VW675 or the JVC RS600, certainly less than the VW1000's 365watt lamp .

You can get more lumans from the RS4500 but that will require mounting it overhead and closest to the screen , also running 100% to make the additional lumans to go one size above the VW885 in screen size . The RS4500 is 100LB, it also produces a lot of heat and more noise running high, you'll have to deal with that. Moving it to the back of a room on a shelf with hush box as many have done places the projector considerably further back , you loose the lumans advantage from mounting closest , it all depends on the distance.


For a screen 12ft wide as you have mentioned, the RS4500 would do this but consider the conditions above. For 12ft or more, I would strongly suggest the VW5000 . Designed to be at the back of a room starting at the 19ft range I do believe and produces around 4000 lumens . The VW5000 is a huge projector as well, produces a lot of heat and noise, at the back of the room on
a solid shelf is where it is meant to go I do believe.


There is a eshift 4K DLP laser projector available as well in the 5000lumen range . According to Dave Harper it's supposed to be a fantastic option, maybe you could ask him about that one , find out the pros and cons. Sony is also going to release a new 4K laser projector in the fall, supposed to use the ARC lens . I expect it will have more brightness than the VW885 otherwise it
is going to cross over too much . How much brightness will be interesting, I'm sure they do not want it crossing into the VW5000 brightness territory either . How big will this new projector also up in the air, none of the above will be known until release in the fall .


Good thing is all the options you are considering are good ones , once you have nailed down the screen size, aspect and gain, a better decision can be made .

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Where are you getting the "produces a lot of heat and noise" info? My 5000 puts out much less heat than my VW1100 did. While not silent, the noise level is certainly acceptable IMO and less than the 4500.
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If my numbers are correct, with the 885ES you could get around 30FL if you are getting 1600 lumens out of it, I have seen people get from between 1600-1800 lumens. 30FL would be great for HDR and you could scale it back a bit for SDR

Thanks for that! Sounds like it would work.
On a 10' wide screen, my RS4500 is putting out around 1540 lumens calibrated, yielding around 35 foot lamberts for 4K HDR on my Studiotek 130 scope screen using the " zooming method ". Using the Lumagen Radiance Pro and Panamorph Paladin DCR anamorphic lens, that increases to around 47 foot lamberts. That's in mid laser, which is plenty quiet, and increases laser life quite a bit. Blu-rays and HD sports we watch at around 18.5 foot lamberts in low laser on a 122" diagonal 16:9 Stewart Cima Neve. You don't mention where you are, but mine is available to see in Northern CA. Guardian Of The Galaxy 4K Blu-ray screen shots at a blistering 47 foot lamberts -







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