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The 5000ES remains Sony's top dog projector. A firmware upgrade to match as much as possible the next projector 995ES in Sony's lineup makes marketing sense!
And because of it's huge size and modular nature it can, and should, remain so for some time!

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I don't even know why they have provided a USB port. It may as well be a headphone socket!
Yea, well I have a powered cable extender that turns my 2009 40 foot HDMI cable into an 18gbit HDMI 2.0 capable cable. It runs on USB power. The Sony usb port is perfect for this because then the cable is only powered when the projector is on.

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Yea, well I have a powered cable extender that turns my 2009 40 foot HDMI cable into an 18gbit HDMI 2.0 capable cable. It runs on USB power. The Sony usb port is perfect for this because then the cable is only powered when the projector is on.
They should advertise it as a power socket then.

Firmware/shmirmware….
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The RS4500 that belongs to my Chief Engineer does produce 30 fTL on his 12' wide Studiotek 100 at max zoom with iris wide open. 8,400:1 on/off and 2464 lumens. Unfortunately it only measured 84% P3 which I may not want to live with.
Okay, but that is a completely different setup from what I am using. Back when Chadb calibrated my 4500, I had a 107" wide curved AT screen with Screen Excellence EN4K fabric. A little over 10' of throw and an A-lens. My setup is getting max possible lumens. EN4K is about 0.75 actual gain. Even with this low gain material I was able to get 18FL in medium laser with iris closed down enough to give me 24,000:1. For my A-lens I really needed a little more throw, but that was all I had available. I currently use Screen Acoustics AT fabric with a gain of around 0.84 with an RS640. RS640 will be switched out with one of this year's new models.
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Okay, but that is a completely different setup from what I am using. Back when Chadb calibrated my 4500, I had a 107" wide curved AT screen with Screen Excellence EN4K fabric. A little over 10' of throw and an A-lens. My setup is getting max possible lumens. EN4K is about 0.75 actual gain. Even with this low gain material I was able to get 18FL in medium laser with iris closed down enough to give me 24,000:1. For my A-lens I really needed a little more throw, but that was all I had available. I currently use Screen Acoustics AT fabric with a gain of around 0.84 with an RS640. RS640 will be switched out with one of this year's new models.
Sounds like you found a configuration that worked for you but not sure what that has to do with the facts I presented?

If you buy a RS4500 or any JVC it is impossible to get the speced on/off contrast and the speced light output at the same time.

We could get a max of ~35,000:1 from the RS4500 but that was at 250 lumens!
We could get ~2,500 lumens from the RS4500 but the on/off CR was only 8,400:1!

At your suggested configuration (Mid laser, -10 iris) we got 21,000:1 and 850 lumens.
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Sounds like you found a configuration that worked for you but not sure what that has to do with the facts I presented?

If you buy a RS4500 or any JVC it is impossible to get the speced on/off contrast and the speced light output at the same time.

We could get a max of ~35,000:1 from the RS4500 but that was at 250 lumens!
We could get ~2,500 lumens from the RS4500 but the on/off CR was only 8,400:1!

At your suggested configuration (Mid laser, -10 iris) we got 21,000:1 and 850 lumens.
This is a Sony thread....

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The last VW885es we looked at measured 16,500:1 on/off and 1,780 lumens at the same time.
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If you buy a RS4500 or any JVC it is impossible to get the speced on/off contrast and the speced light output at the same time.
That is the case with any and all projectors with an iris.

Max contrast spec is always on the closed iris position if native is in the spec.

Sony does not even publicly spec the native contrast anyway. Try and find it listed on any consumer documentation (non Sony Pro) and you wont find it except for Dynamic contrast spec.

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That is the case with any and all projectors with an iris.

Max contrast spec is always on the closed iris position if native is in the spec.

Sony does not even publicly spec the native contrast anyway. Try and find it listed on any consumer documentation (non Sony Pro) and you wont find it except for Dynamic contrast spec.


I don’t know any website where native contrasts are systematically measured and published in the same way. Hence comparing native contrasts is hard as eff. That’s a shame.
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I don’t know any website where native contrasts are systematically measured and published in the same way. Hence comparing native contrasts is hard as eff. That’s a shame.


...we should lobby those rtings.com guys into doing projectors as well, as for TV’s they actually do some really nice work on objective measurements using the same (or at least very similar) methodology for all their tests.... We should throw in gain measurements for screen fabrics too by the way, but that one might be even more tricky. Regardless, I completely agree that a neutral, competent measurement lab that publishes their findings continously for projection would be quite the find!


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I don’t know any website where native contrasts are systematically measured and published in the same way. Hence comparing native contrasts is hard as eff. That’s a shame.
Ekki at Cine4Home.de and Kris Deering at SoundandVision.com have systematically measured and published the same way over the last 10 years or so.

You can certainly compare Deering measurements with other Deering measurements or compare Ekki measurements with other Ekki measurements.
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That is the case with any and all projectors with an iris.

Max contrast spec is always on the closed iris position if native is in the spec.

Sony does not even publicly spec the native contrast anyway. Try and find it listed on any consumer documentation (non Sony Pro) and you wont find it except for Dynamic contrast spec.
I have no complaints about how JVC or Sony or Epson chose to market their products. Marketing is the art of legally lying to consumers.

My point is; for the high-end projectors like the VW885es we are discussing, most consumers will be looking at large screens and there is no way to get reference level light output on those screens while getting iris-closed on/off contrast.

My old neighbor who I sold my RS35 setup to maybe 5 years ago just did a new $100,000 build with all new equipment and a 150" diagonal screen and is extremely disappointed with the result because he discovered the reality of the on/off contrast vs light output fact.
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Sounds like you found a configuration that worked for you but not sure what that has to do with the facts I presented?

If you buy a RS4500 or any JVC it is impossible to get the speced on/off contrast and the speced light output at the same time.

We could get a max of ~35,000:1 from the RS4500 but that was at 250 lumens!
We could get ~2,500 lumens from the RS4500 but the on/off CR was only 8,400:1!

At your suggested configuration (Mid laser, -10 iris) we got 21,000:1 and 850 lumens.
Okay, that is not far off from what chadb got, as far as contrast goes on my unit. He measured 24,000:1. 850 would be close, to what I was getting, but I get more screen brightness, due to using an A-lens.
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I have no complaints about how JVC or Sony or Epson chose to market their products. Marketing is the art of legally lying to consumers.

My point is; for the high-end projectors like the VW885es we are discussing, most consumers will be looking at large screens and there is no way to get reference level light output on those screens while getting iris-closed on/off contrast.

My old neighbor who I sold my RS35 setup to maybe 5 years ago just did a new $100,000 build with all new equipment and a 150" diagonal screen and is extremely disappointed with the result because he discovered the reality of the on/off contrast vs light output fact.
This is all the dirty little secret of home theater projectors, going back to when I first got into this hobby. And people really need to read reviews with actual measurements prior to making decisions based solely on manufacturer specs, unless they have small screens. Especially people basing screen size decisions on those " dynamic bright modes ", that aren't exactly reference.
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I have no complaints about how JVC or Sony or Epson chose to market their products. Marketing is the art of legally lying to consumers.

Do you work for Sony or something?

That is what marketing actually is nowadays, but it is supposed to be extolling the virtues of your products that are better than everyone else's, not over exaggerating or providing data that is subsequently proven to be incorrect without revising it.

Lying, it would seem, is just what it has come down to now.

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Do you work for Sony or something?

That is what marketing actually is nowadays, but it is supposed to be extolling the virtues of your products that are better than everyone else's, not over exaggerating or providing data that is subsequently proven to be incorrect without revising it.

Lying, it would seem, is just what it has come down to now.

Sad.
Technically, it's not lying to state a projector can produce X contrast, and X brightness, even though they cannot do both at the same time. Any more than stating a pickup truck can do 0 to 60 in X seconds, and has a payload capacity of 2500 lbs., and can tow 6000 lbs., even though it can't do all of those things at the same time. Consumers need to educate themselves regarding products.
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My Sony contact just told me the 870 also features improved laser diods, resulting in 30% estimated drop after 20k hours at full laser as opposed to 50% drop on the previous ones... He said they have introduced the same, new diods in the business lasers as well. Can’t promise this is accurate, but if it is; the more the merrier, right??


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My Sony contact just told me the 870 also features improved laser diods, resulting in 30% estimated drop after 20k hours at full laser as opposed to 50% drop on the previous ones... He said they have introduced the same, new diods in the business lasers as well. Can’t promise this is accurate, but if it is; the more the merrier, right??


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Interesting. I wonder why they’ve not made more of a song and dance about it in their marketing literature? It also makes me wonder how they come up with the figures when you think it’s take 2.5 years of continuous use to test the new modules in that particular chassis/application.
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Interesting. I wonder why they’ve not made more of a song and dance about it in their marketing literature? It also makes me wonder how they come up with the figures when you think it’s take 2.5 years of continuous use to test the new modules in that particular chassis/application.
I believe the decay is linear so you don't need much runtime to be able to make a lifetime prediction assuming no catastrophic failure modes.

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My Sony contact just told me the 870 also features improved laser diods, resulting in 30% estimated drop after 20k hours at full laser as opposed to 50% drop on the previous ones... He said they have introduced the same, new diods in the business lasers as well. Can’t promise this is accurate, but if it is; the more the merrier, right??


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It is not a drop after 20 years. They start dropping, right from the start, just very slowly. So if it only drops 30%, then keeping the 995 for several years, you will not notice any dimming and the calibration will hold longer.
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It is not a drop after 20 years. They start dropping, right from the start, just very slowly. So if it only drops 30%, then keeping the 995 for several years, you will not notice any dimming and the calibration will hold longer.
I am aware of that )) quoted previously where been said after 20k hours.

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Technically, it's not lying to state a projector can produce X contrast, and X brightness, even though they cannot do both at the same time. Any more than stating a pickup truck can do 0 to 60 in X seconds, and has a payload capacity of 2500 lbs., and can tow 6000 lbs., even though it can't do all of those things at the same time. Consumers need to educate themselves regarding products.
Hmmmm….. it isn't about what projectors can do all at once is it? But simply being able to achieve the actual figures quoted I reckon.

Car manufacturers quote specs based on industry standard definitions; 'time' for 0-62, 'weight/mass' for payloads etc.
No one would expect a car to do its minimum 0-62 whilst pulling it's highest weight, as if it could, then take the weight away and the power to weight would increase massively and the 0-62 would decrease even further thereby rendering the 0-62 time inaccurate, but in a good way.
Cars with low 0-62 times have more powerful engines and usually that also means higher load capacity by virtue of the larger/more powerful engine.

In AV the only thing that is measured in a presumably standard way by manufacturers seems to be lumens. But even then I am guessing there as I am willing to bet they fudge that too.

However, unlike car manufacturers who often quote 0-62 times that err on the cautious side, with projectors, none (?) end up giving their stated specs, and reviewers invariably find that the actual contrast is distinctly lower not higher.

All because they use some non standard way of measuring their units that give exceptional figures. I have not seen any caveats in projector literature that state that lumens may be lower for a given contrast (or vice versa) or words to that effect.

That kind of practice should be outlawed and the playing field levelled so they all use one standard method and so would be directly comparable, just like cars are with other cars.

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My point is; for the high-end projectors like the VW885es we are discussing, most consumers will be looking at large screens and there is no way to get reference level light output on those screens while getting iris-closed on/off contrast.

My old neighbor who I sold my RS35 setup to maybe 5 years ago just did a new $100,000 build with all new equipment and a 150" diagonal screen and is extremely disappointed with the result because he discovered the reality of the on/off contrast vs light output fact.
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Interesting. I wonder why they’ve not made more of a song and dance about it in their marketing literature? It also makes me wonder how they come up with the figures when you think it’s take 2.5 years of continuous use to test the new modules in that particular chassis/application.
Because, I suspect, they are really no different at all.
BUT.....
As you have a product being sold for an extra 10k over the next model down, with (in reality) nothing over the lower model except a different and more expensive lens, then it also gives unprovable and plausible ammo to those trying to justify the extra cost or big up the new unit.

If you could apply the 870 firmware to the 760 I would bet a pound to a penny that it would be IDENTICAL except for the lens.

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It’s the drop by 20k hours, and it is, at least in theory, quite linear...


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What I want to say that it's not that relevant to laser sources anyway, it's not dimming that quickly as bulb source, so 30÷ instead of 50÷ of course a good improvement, but no one will ever notice a comparison between those two differences.

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Interesting. I wonder why they’ve not made more of a song and dance about it in their marketing literature? It also makes me wonder how they come up with the figures when you think it’s take 2.5 years of continuous use to test the new modules in that particular chassis/application.
Because, I suspect, they are really no different at all.
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As you have a product being sold for an extra 10k over the next model down, with (in reality) nothing over the lower model except a different and more expensive lens, then it also gives unprovable and plausible ammo to those trying to justify the extra cost or big up the new unit.

If you could apply the 870 firmware to the 760 I would bet a pound to a penny that it would be IDENTICAL except for the lens. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/mad.gif[/IMG]
You talk about the lens as if it’s a trivial improvement. In reality, the lens is more than half the equation. The all glass ARC-F is going to make a massive difference. Think about it.
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Is any talk of upgrades for us 885 owners dead? I would right the check for $10K, but also am really happy with my 885. It is fantastic. Only Laser for me after having the 885 over all of the other projectors I’ve owned. SJ
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